Preview R23: Changes vs. Collingwood

[Geoffa32]

Surely we can make Smith sub where he has played better than full games.

Cumming for Laird.
Dowling for Cumming so he gets a full game.

And Jones out....

 

[cmndstab]

He played last week. He should not even be in discussions. Showed nothing, dropped after 1 week. Rinse and repeat.

I think it was worth having one last look to see if there was anything there, given our lack of KPP depth options and finals just around the cornet.

But there's not. Move on.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And Jones out....

Already said that above in the post you disliked lol.

 

[NSolis]

AFL website saying Peatling is good to play, so I think changes will be limited to Walker, Smith and maybe Dowling for Jones.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

I think it was worth having one last look to see if there was anything there, given our lack of KPP depth options

Absolutely no reason for it. We've seen his ceiling, just like we've seen Murphy's, Schoenberg's, Jones. Yet we keep picking them. They are all clearly not going to be in our future plans.

 

[cmndstab]

Absolutely no reason for it. We've seen his ceiling, just like we've seen Murphy's, Schoenberg's, Jones. Yet we keep picking them. They are all clearly not going to be in our future plans.

We hadn't seen it all year. He's on our list, he was performing at SANFL level. Our forward line is essentially a new entity. Does he fit into it if required? Apparently not.

If we were going to draw a line through him before seeing him even once, he shouldn't have been retained on the list at all.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

AFL website saying Peatling is good to play, so I think changes will be limited to Walker, Smith and maybe Dowling for Jones.

Trained as normal apparently.

Thilthorpe was on non-contact but precautionary.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

We hadn't seen it all year. He's on our list, he was performing at SANFL level. Our forward line is essentially a new entity. Does he fit into it if required? Apparently not.

If we were going to draw a line through him before seeing him even once, he shouldn't have been retained on the list at all.

So everyone on our list should play just to see if they're worth retaining? Should we try Murphy just one more time? I mean we have seen Burgess.. multiple times.. and he never delivers.

Anyway agree to disagree. Hopefully we never see him at AFL level again.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

So everyone on our list should play just to see if they're worth retaining? Should we try Murphy just one more time? I mean we have seen Burgess.. multiple times.. and he never delivers.

Anyway agree to disagree. Hopefully we never see him at AFL level again.

Was saying to a mate, Burgess would be one of those players if you were a desperate club and had to play him every game in the seniors, he would end up being a serviceable (but very average) ~30 ish goal a year player...

Thankfully we have graduated to being a good team and can move on from players like Burgess.

 

[cmndstab]

So everyone on our list should play just to see if they're worth retaining? Should we try Murphy just one more time? I mean we have seen Burgess.. multiple times.. and he never delivers.

Anyway agree to disagree. Hopefully we never see him at AFL level again.

Murphy has played over 100 games for us. We're not learning anything new from playing him.

When you say we've seen Burgess multiple times, what you mean is we've given him two stints. Round 1-4, then rounds 11-13 last year. He averaged a goal per game and did some ruckwork in that time. That was before Thilthorpe returned and completely changed the dynamic of our forward line.

If he could fill in still offer a goal a game and some chop-out ruckwork, that would be okay as a depth option. Instead he came in, offered no goals and no ruckwork. Waste of space.

I'm not saying we play everyone on our list to see if they're worth retaining, but when someone rests, it's not silly to try out your next depth option in that position and see how it goes. Concerningly, in terms of key forwards, Burgess is that depth option for us.

 

[MrBarry]

Absolutely no reason for it. We've seen his ceiling, just like we've seen Murphy's, Schoenberg's, Jones. Yet we keep picking them. They are all clearly not going to be in our future plans.

I've been as critical as anyone over the yoyoing of known quanities in and out of the side. But I didn't have any issues seeing if Burgess could be a break glass in emergency forward for us this year.

We know he isn't now and we will need to change structure if that happebns.

 

[CrowToon]

You and CrowToon looking for a good time? Hear there are discounts for group rates.

He couldn't afford my hourly rate even with the discount on accom

 

[Southerntakeover]

I've been as critical as anyone over the yoyoing of known quanities in and out of the side. But I didn't have any issues seeing if Burgess could be a break glass in emergency forward for us this year.

We know he isn't now and we will need to change structure if that happebns.

Isn't there also a real chance Burgess is currently our next in line ruckman due to McAndrew's injury?

 

[CrowBloke]

More about mindset than personnel!

This! and not just for this week.

I think the Crows have won 7 straight and 10 out of last 11 (...?).

They're now in the extraordinary situation where, IF they win their next 5 games, they'll take the 2025 Flag which (to me, at least) was unthinkable at the start of this year, even after 10 rounds.

FIVE games.
They've not had such a great opportunity since 2017. That's a helluva long time to not even play in a single Final, let alone three and win them all.

Someone, or a few people at the Club, now have the task of:
--- getting the players to focus on this week, then next week and so on
--- making sure their mindset is slowly increasing in focus on this great opportunity, every week.

Then, IF they make it to the 2025 GF, they have to be totally UP and determined (mindset), every one of them, to give all they've got for 4 quarters and leave nothing untried.
This week, every week, for 5 more games.

(P.S. yes, it's occurred to me that they could lose on Saturday --- or win and drop the NM game --- and still win the Flag, but beating the Mugpies at home, then NM, will build belief and confidence more than a loss.
Btw, this is the first time ever that I've entertained the thought of winning a Flag, with Nicks as Head Coach).

 

[TBM]

Would be incredibly disappointing if we don't bring in Dowling.

Agree, would be a justified melt.

Did Nicks make mention of Dowling in his presser?

 

[MrBarry]

Seeing his hands the other day.
It wouldn’t stick to anything anyway.

Felt for the bloke, anything that touched his hands nearly ended up in Row Z.

 

[Mutineer]

 

[CrowBloke]

Every game they lose means they are closer to a win. They have no fear with coming here, and they always seem to beat us when they shouldn't.
We have three bogey teams, Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn.

They will bounce back and the pressure on them now to make finals is massive. This is the week they have to win.

I understand what you're saying and why
but
**** Collingwood.

This is the week that we have to win!

 

[pjcrows]

I'd be surprised if they drop Jones for Dowling. With Laird out they won't like stuffing around too much with their core block of players (which Dowling hasn't been in - not even named emergency recently). I think Jones stays.

 

[FR0GGY]

I'd be surprised if they drop Jones for Dowling. With Laird out they won't like stuffing around too much with their core block of players (which Dowling hasn't been in - not even named emergency recently). I think Jones stays.

No way you can keep someone with 2 disposals at 0% efficiency in a half against the 18th team.
As well as him only playing sub games recently.
Hes done

 

[pjcrows]

No way you can keep someone with 2 disposals at 0% efficiency in a half against the 18th team.
As well as him only playing sub games recently.
Hes done

Fair call, and I'm also not saying Jones should stay in, just what I think they will do.

If they drop Jones it's likely to be for one of the recent emergencies - Murphy or Schoenberg. Unless they go against their usual approach.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The whole ‘we have a hoodoo’ against X team thing is a strange obsession on this board and has been proven wrong multiple times this year. Collingwood have beaten us a lot because they have been good and we have been bad. In the period of losses since 2017 they’ve finished above us on the ladder every year except one, made finals 5 times, top four 4 times, two grand finals and a flag. We’ve missed the finals every year.

I think that’s the cause of the results, rather than some magic edge caused by the jumper and a lack of fear of Adelaide Oval. If anything we have outperformed against Collingwood in recent years by being consistently competitive (compared to say Hawthorn, Geelong or Sydney who have belted us a bunch), but you’d expect them to win regularly against a team that has mostly sat near the bottom of the ladder.

Is it the longest losing streak against one club in our history?

 

[Velvet George]

If we don’t bring in Dowling and prefer Jones after the weekend, Dowling has to seek a trade. Someone would give him a go, the only reason they wouldn’t is because Nicks has dragged his value down by not playing him.

 

[1970crow]

They are also closer to their next premiership

And wooden spoon.

 

[1970crow]

Bugger....Smith

It’s a genuine shame we keep returning to that well. We could have gotten Nank going back there or debuted Edwards. Once Smith played 1, we knew where he was at and what he will bring. The cowardice is still there.