Review R9: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. Port Adelaide

[Smart Fella]

Didn't you answer your own question.

If his role is ground ball gets and hand balling to better users - he is currently 4th (behind Baker, Wilmot, Sinclair) for all defenders for ground ball gets. He is averaging 21+ disposals a game and has a DE of 81.6%.

That's his role. Opposition supporters wouldn't often talk about him at the end of the game in regards to how good or great he played.

His importance is overstated. Not to be confused by me saying he is playing poorly. And I hope he has a high DE as he handballs more.

 

[Southerntakeover]

What was also interesting was our 100+ game players making the crucial errors. Milera to the middle, Laird scoop, Keays kicks blindly out of bounds (deliberate) despite being 10 metres in the clear. Need more from these players when it gets tight.

This is important.

It very very often is those players that let us down in the big moments, including this year. Laird's kick into Dangerfield was a pivotal moment in that game.

This is also something that people should be considering, when they decide to praise these players seasons. Are they someone who we can trust when the time comes, and if not should we be building around them?

Malthouse had a view on that.

 

[kirky]

This is important.

It very very often is those players that let us down in the big moments, including this year. Laird's kick into Dangerfield was a pivotal moment in that game.

This is also something that people should be considering, when they decide to praise these players seasons. Are they someone who we can trust when the time comes, and if not should we be building around them?

Malthouse had a view on that.

These are the players who will make crucial mistakes in big games, when under pressure you resort to type.

 

[Southerntakeover]

These are the players who will make crucial mistakes in big games, when under pressure you resort to type.

And who will look a million bucks in no pressure games during the season.

The job of a good coaching staff and football department is to discern between who has it and who doesn't, not just to follow the results as they arise (i.e. someone has a good game against a bottom team, so they're redeemed).

 

[Freomaniac]

It should never be a close game when you are up by 4 goals with 10 minutes left.

I agree....

I watched the show down in full.

I have to say this...Riley Tilthorpe had a good game. Very good 1st half.

Tilthorpe had like 8 marks in on the 1st half.

I liked that passage of play when Tilthorpe had marked on a wing 70-75 metres out. He kicks it to Walker who marks it.

Walker sprayed his shot. But the point is Tilthorpe is willing to work hard up the ground, rather than just be that tall bloke on the goal square.

 

[Freomaniac]

Every metric says we should have lost, except for two - Port couldn't kick straight at goal, and they couldn't stop turning the ball over.

The only metric that matters in the scoreboard.

Crows were leading like 88 to 67 with a few minutes left. Always good to have a 3-4 goal lead late in the game .

 

[Cromulant]

I agree....

I watched the show down in full.

I have to say this...Riley Tilthorpe had a good game. Very good 1st half.

Tilthorpe had like 8 marks in on the 1st half.

I liked that passage of play when Tilthorpe had marked on a wing 70-75 metres out. He kicks it to Walker who marks it.

Walker sprayed his shot. But the point is Tilthorpe is willing to work hard up the ground, rather than just be that tall bloke on the goal square.

He's always been that player, aerobic capacity has always been a huge strength

 

[Hodgy]

This is not a bad argument but my thinking is geared towards positive movement

This confuses me slightly - was this when we were 24 points up or a bit later? Because once we got 24 points up was when the handbrake went on. ie I dont think we were losing the contest that badly to warrant negativity

Yes no maybe

Giving up possession correct - stoppages - why not have stoppages that chew the clock up - why couldnt we win the stoppages.

Again chicken or egg - did we not win a contested ball because we didnt care to? ie we took a step back to defend

I'm not sure an open forward line is a correct interpretation - we already play a back 7 . By maintaining our structure we force them to play cute - and Port arent doing cute at this stage

I loved loved loved Dawsons grab out the middle to drive us forward - sheer brilliance - reminded me of Merrett last year - more of that thank you . Not standing next to your opponent and waiting for them to react - react first make them chase

In general I would also prefer a side to keep exerting pressure and not drop numbers back, but I’m just saying that in this case I can understand the thought process. All we did was drop our half forwards and wings back btw, we still had equal numbers at the contest. Up to that point we had built a lead mainly because we used our possession so much better than them, despite getting smacked in the contest. They had obviously got to the point though, where what they were doing wasn’t going to win it for them so they had started taking on the corridor and increasing their risk taking.

They won 10 straight clearances at 1 point in that last quarter I believe, so if you combine that with quick movement and an open forward line then that can lead to very quick scoring. That is why I say try and avoid stoppage btw, as while I agree with your “why couldn’t we win stoppages” comment, the fact was that we weren’t. At least the coaches were reacting to what was happening rather than their usual “keep doing what you’re doing but better” approach.

If we had excecuted the tactic well and kept possession through the last 10 minutes and won by 4 goals there would not be any negative comment. The reason people are upset is that we excecuted terribly, especially by senior players to my eye.

 

[suburpy]

Every third response …”umpiring”. Some going as far as cheating and rigged. It is …. Tedious. Do you think on every board here there are people saying the same on their team, they support. Overall after hundreds of split second decisions 3 obvious (in hindsight) questionable ones. Peppa pig htb, tex deliberate out of bounds no call, and the 30 metre kick called not 15. 2 favoured crows. Just stop already. We got smashed in the middle and clearances, we need to be accountable to us.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Dawson was forward for big chunks last night, just didn’t manage to have a similar influence to the previous week.

Putting numbers back isn’t bad in itself considering we were loosing the contest so badly and Port having no choice but to start throwing caution to the wind at that point. the main problem was how badly we executed during those 10 minutes. The idea is to avoid giving up possession and avoid stoppages, however our most senior players in Milera and Laird coughed up the footy repeatably by giving away frees, skill errors under pressure and centering to dangerous areas one on one. This led to them getting momentum and belief and the crowd getting into it.

I’m not sure how keeping one on one over the ground would have helped at that stage as to my eye we didn’t win one contested ball or clearance in that time until Berry in the last 20 seconds. We might well have lost it in fact as they would have had an open forward 50.

We intentionally slowed our ball movement knowing that would create contests and waste time.

The issue was we were being flogged at contested ball and clearances all night, so the change played to their strengths and weakened ours which was fast ball movement to our forwards who had just kicked 3 goals playing that way.

It was moronic and there is no justification for it, none.

 

[Carn The Texan]

Go and give this a read. 19 pages and counting. A joy.

Review - Rozee's Port adelaide respond with a loss

Georgi and Lord hugely disappointing

www.bigfooty.com

 

[George CantStandYa]

I'm glad we have finally moved on from the Sack Nicks droning and into a reasonable dialogue - even if there are disagreements.

I agree with you George about Nicks being outcoached, and your questions are excellent. Its a funny game because last week Nicks clearly outcoached Voss. He showed imagination, flexibility and the capacity to see the need for change and do it. This week we were back with old stubborn Nicks. How does one explain that? And that purposeful last ten minute thing was blindingly incorrect but he did nothing about it!

Anyway, the other two things I wanted to mention are the terrible umpiring for both sides and the horrible lapses in judgement by Laird that cost us two goals, or was one Rankine? Anyway, these lapses should be easy to fix, that is, however, based on the presumption that these players aren't stupid!

Back to the umpiring - it was dreadfully inconsistent. I of course thought we were disadvantaged but, having looked at the Keane mark, it is clear that both Port forward were held out of the contest and could easily been awarded game changing frees.

Not sure what you’re on about with your opening remark, the sack Nicks dialogue has been backed and based on dumb coaching examples like we saw last night.

 

[1970crow]

And to get one they'll have to get rid of their best player

Trading Houston to get Luko wont work out for them either

I can't help myself, I think I have an addiction, but I'm posting it anyway. I cannot believe Port paid full price at the trade table for a salary dump AND took on Rat's contract. Absolutely insane.

 

[Cromulant]

I can't help myself, I think I have an addiction, but I'm posting it anyway. I cannot believe Port paid full price at the trade table for a salary dump AND took on Rat's contract. Absolutely insane.

And despite poor old Rory being twice the footballer either McEntee and Lachie Jones are (yes they are that bad) they refuse to give him a game in the seniors.

 

[CrowBloke]

Nicks' refusal to tag midfielders out of it is tough to watch.

Yes, hard. PAINFUL.

Oh well, what can Nicks do??
It's not like Hinkley used a tag on our best player to neutralise him ... you know, something to emulate ...

Uhhhh ... wait ...

 

[dplggr47]

I can't help myself, I think I have an addiction, but I'm posting it anyway. I cannot believe Port paid full price at the trade table for a salary dump AND took on Rat's contract. Absolutely insane.

It's only 1 year for Rat, then he's probably delisted.

 

[1970crow]

Yes Nicks was out coached, you’re right.

Can you tell me what you thought of our change to go slow in the last 10 minutes, giving up momentum and having to withstand an onslaught?

Would you as coach, given Dawson excelled up forward last week, given him some forward time?

Would you have put a close check on Rozee early in the game when he was killing us?

Surely you'd have a couple of strategies to combat any of your prime midfielders being tagged out of the game. It's not like it was an unbelievable move that nobody could see com8ng. With a player like Crouch you're pretty well stuffed, but Dawson can go back, wing or forward. Soligo might be a bit harder to change up, but Dawson and Rankine can both go to other roles.

 

[maxlilly]

Is ANB slower than Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

.
What's he going to be like in a couple more years

 

[suburpy]

Come o

A few here have mentioned Laird giving away the 50m penalty for "pushing" after the mark, honestly I think that was one of the softest 50m penalties I've ever seen. He barely even touched the guy and he took a swan dive. Shouldn't have been paid.

Laird was like most of our team last night, alright in patches but down overall. Did some nice things, not great but certainly not our worst.

he is a senior player. Not in the contest, significantly after pushes player that results in delay of game the reason the 50 was introduced. It’s not about softness no one says he thumped him of the ball. A obvious 50, drives me mad that because it’s your team you think the umpires were soft here. Laird has a soft brain, deliberate act, 50 100% warranted.

 

[suburpy]

I would be filthy at one of our players obviously diving for a 50 as well. It always amazes me that umpires can’t see players diving, ducking or throwing their arms up and that they are actually showing contempt for said umpire in the process. Similar one against Cumming a few weeks back.

But Laird wasn’t in the contest, it happened after it and he didn’t have to do it. Obvious 50 ffs

 

[CrowBloke]

We've discussed it before but i believe if Fabian had legally adopted him recognising him as a son, if he had played 100 games he would have been eligible.

IF Fabian ... blah blah
and
IF Fabian played 100 ... etc etc ....

That reads more harshly than I intended, and I generally enjoy your posting, but I'm curious.
Why do you give a flyingF about Francis' adoption preferences and his stepson?

IF I was Lang Hancock's son, I'd be on a Greek Island snarfing Greek delicacies,
(mmmm, tsadziki, salad with Kalamata olives, smoked Octopus char-grilled, lamb cutlets, pita bread, galaktoboureko <<DROOL>>)
but ... I'm not and this is the GBU thread.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Surely you'd have a couple of strategies to combat any of your prime midfielders being tagged out of the game. It's not like it was an unbelievable move that nobody could see com8ng. With a player like Crouch you're pretty well stuffed, but Dawson can go back, wing or forward. Soligo might be a bit harder to change up, but Dawson and Rankine can both go to other roles.

And given you’ve witnessed the consequences of one of your players being shut down, why wouldn’t you employ similar tactics when opposition mids are destroying us?

He literally has the game sense of a 6 year Auskicker and I think that’s being generous.

He’s the worst coach in our history for a reason, he has shit for brains.

 

[Cromulant]

It's only 1 year for Rat, then he's probably delisted.

Back to his home.... Unley Oval

 

[Hodgy]

Hodgy mate - go back and watch from when we went up 88-66. 13 minutes left on the clock. We had scored 88 points through the first 3 and a half quarters. Then 1 point in the last 13 minutes (last 10 seconds).

We are flooding numbers back - keays is effectively a backman. From 13 minutes - 8 minutes left every single possession we have goes out very wide and ends up with us kicking long to a contest (and the ball coming back right back).

Pay special attention to Cumming winning a free kick on the wing with over 7 minutes to go. He wins the free kick makes a slow down gesture whilst seeking confirmation from the bench and then takes his full time allotment and kicks it long down the line to another contest. We just dont take on the game from here.

What was also interesting was our 100+ game players making the crucial errors. Milera to the middle, Laird scoop, Keays kicks blindly out of bounds (deliberate) despite being 10 metres in the clear. Need more from these players when it gets tight.

I definately agree with your comment about senior players and errors, and in principle I agree with keeping up pressure when you have momentum. The trouble is no one really knows what the coaches were seeing and reacting to numbers wise, the GPS data might well have been showing we were gassed. We certainly seemed to be chasing more than earlier in the game. We’ll obviously also never know if not getting numbers back would have been a worse result, Port were certainly capable of scoring 3 quick goals with their midfield dominance.

Anyway we’re certainly not the only side that tries to defend a lead at that stage, I’m just glad it didn’t cost us what was a great win.

 

[cmndstab]

But Laird wasn’t in the contest, it happened after it and he didn’t have to do it. Obvious 50 ffs

I just went back and watched it again, to see if I was remembering it wrong. Laird "pushes" him less than a second after he marks, with less force than I hug my kids at bed time.

It would happen around a hundred times a match, paid only that once.

Was it unnecessary? Sure. But it was not a 50.