Opinion Rank these players in order from 1-6: Gary Ablett Jnr, Nathan Buckley,James Hird, Chris Judd, Dustin Martin, Michael Voss

[smasha]

Dusty 1 don’t argue,the rest you can argue with.

 

[Wojcinski]

1. GAJ
2. Voss
3. Judd
4. Buckley
5. Hird
6. Martin

 

[FlowersByIrene]

1. Chris Judd, 2. GAJ, 3. Voss, 4. Martin, 5. Buckley, 6. Hird

 

[theasian]

Good to see the thread find a new lease of life in the off season. Hope to tally the votes to see the general consensus in about two weeks time.

So far , mostly its GAJ at 1, Judd and Voss fighting for 2nd. Martin mostly 4th, with Hird and Buckley bringing up the rear.

 

[theasian]

Buckley > Swan > Pendles.

As footballers.

I've rated them the same way . But Pendles longevity and 2nd premiership may push him over Swan. Swan's best was definitely better than Pendles.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Hmmmm
Lets start with the easy one

6. Hird

Now I have to do the hard work.

1. Ablett
Pendelbury
2. Voss
3. Buckley
Ricciuto
4. Judd
McLeod
5. Martin
Swan
Bartel
6. Hird

 

[JackOutback]

I feel like people underrate Hird because he became a shite, drug cheating coach. At the time, Carey and Hird were pretty widely considered one and two in the league.

 

[loki04]

I feel like people underrate Hird because he became a shite, drug cheating coach. At the time, Carey and Hird were pretty widely considered one and two in the league.

Buckley has between 97 and 2003 was either considered furst or top 3.
Hird imo was overrated back then and the media love child.

Many players at the time in those years, had Buckley number 1. Crawf paid tribute to him in Brownlow speech. Bucks copped the Collingwood and figjam hate though.

 

[Bob Neil]

1. Gary Ablett Jnr
2. Nathan Buckley
3. James Hird
4. Michael Voss
5. Dustin Martin
6. Chris Judd

 

[augie]

So you're just going to ignore the facts on this one? This is why people give you childish responses.

Find some facts and I'll listen to them. But you won't because they don't exist.

And thanks for confirming your childishness.

 

[MF]

Ablett
Judd
Voss
Hird
Buckley
Martin

 

[augie]

Ok, time for you to head off to bed.

Okay, so no facts. Thanks for confirming.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

Ablett

daylight

early Judd

Voss/Martin

Hird/Buckley

late Judd

 

[Mr Meow]

Buckley has between 97 and 2003 was either considered furst or top 3.
Hird imo was overrated back then and the media love child.

Many players at the time in those years, had Buckley number 1. Crawf paid tribute to him in Brownlow speech. Bucks copped the Collingwood and figjam hate though.

Hird went at 20 disposals and 1.4 goals a game. If score involvements were recorded I think he'd have been in the very elite, similar to Martin from this generation.

In reality what hurt him was having his 1997 and 1999 seasons completely derailed in his prime. 1997 he was off to a cracking start, and I've no doubt he'd have dominated in that 1999 Bombers team.

So a bit of a "what if" when it comes to Hird's career in relation to the others. The other big one of course around a bunch of Ablett's incredible seasons being wasted at Gold Coast. Plug them into any halfway relevant side (especially one competing for premierships) and his lead in this grouping would be considerably greater.

 

[Caligo]

GAJ clear first
Judd clear second
The rest is a real struggle, and I have trouble stopping my bias from influencing my ranking because one of these players oversaw industrial scale doping after he stopped playing. I can't get over that.

 

[adammania9]

1. Gary Ablett Jr
2. Chris Judd
3. James Hird
4. Nathan Buckley
5. Michael Voss
6. Dustin Martin

 

[Seb78]

1. G Ablett Jnr
2. J Hird
3. M Voss
4. C Judd
5. D Martin
6. N Buckley

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Ablett Jr
Buckley
Hird
Judd
Martin
Voss

 

[tastiger]

1.Martin
2.Hird
3.Ablett
4.Voss
5.Judd
6.Buckley

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[jc12]

It's new thread to carry on the dick measuring contest between Richmond and Geelong supporters from the Dusty threads.

Here, the Collingwood, Lions, Eagles, Carlton, Essendon fans can all join in.

They are the best of the best Midfielders who plyed their footy in the 21st Century.



They've won 8 brownlows and 6 Norm Smiths between them.

Gaz Jnr comes 1st and the rest you can throw a blanket over, hard to split.

It wil come down to leadership qualities, carrying your team over the line, Skills and toughness, performances in big games, indvidual awards etc.

Each of these six have their own claim to be the best.

Gaz jnr the most consistent and dominant over a long period, Buckley the most skillful and the best kick, Hird the most versatile, Judd the most explosive and probably had the highest peak. Martin, undoubtebly the best big game performer, Vossy the toughest and the best leader.

How would you rank them over their careers?

For me, I'm leaning towards.

1 Gary Ablett Jnr
2. Voss
3.Martin
4. Hird
5. Buckley
6. Judd

And dusty has won half of those norm smiths lol
Dusty clear at number 1
Gaz 2
Voss 3
Buckley 4
Judd 5
Hird 6

 

[jc12]

Here's an example as to why someone like Pendlebury should be in there ahead of someone like Martin:

Player/Season	Brownlow	AFLCA	AFLMVP	Club B&F	Finals Ratings	All-Australian
Martin 2017	1st (36 votes)	1st (122 votes)	1st	1st	90, 80, 90	Centre
Pendlebury 2011	Eq. 4th (24 votes)	7th (79 votes)	2nd	1st	95, 90, 90	Wing
Pendlebury 2013	Eq. 6th (21 votes)	1st (96 votes)	4th	1st	75	Wing
Martin 2016	3rd (25 votes)	3rd (90 votes)	3rd	1st	N/A	Bench
Pendlebury 2010	Eq. 4th (21 votes)	Eq. 11th (61 votes)	3rd	2nd	85, 85, 50, 90	Bench
Martin 2020	Eq. 5th (15 votes)	15th (42 votes)	N/A	2nd	70, 85, 85, 100	Forward Flank
Martin 2019	Eq. 6th (23 votes)	Eq. 11th (71 votes)	N/A	6th	90, 75, 90	Squad
Martin 2018	Eq. 6th (19 votes)	Eq. 8th (70 votes)	4th	3rd	90, 40	Centre
Pendlebury 2012	Eq. 11th (15 votes)	9th (76 votes)	N/A	2nd	85, 85, 90	Bench
Pendlebury 2014	Eq. 11th (16 votes)	Eq. 5th (72 votes)	6th	1st	N/A	Bench
Pendlebury 2019	Eq. 21st (14 votes)	14th (68 votes)	N/A	2nd	85, 75	Bench
Pendlebury 2015	15th (15 votes)	9th (67 votes)	N/A	1st	N/A	Squad
Martin 2015	7th (21 votes)	Eq. 12th (61 votes)	N/A	2nd	80	Squad
Pendlebury 2016	Eq. 15th (17 votes)	Eq. 12th (68 votes)	N/A	1st	N/A	Squad
Pendlebury 2018	Eq. 16th (15 votes)	Eq. 15th (62 votes)	N/A	3rd	50, 75, 75, 65	Squad
Martin 2013	Eq. 13th (16 votes)	Eq. 17th (58 votes)	N/A	2nd	75	N/A
Pendlebury 2022	2 votes	N/A	N/A	2nd	85, 80, 85	N/A
Martin 2014	Eq. 20th (13 votes)	N/A	N/A	3rd	85	Squad
Pendlebury 2020	Eq. 11th (13 votes)	Eq. 13th (43 votes)	N/A	2nd	70, 60	Squad
Pendlebury 2008	7 votes	N/A	N/A	3rd	80, 85	N/A
Martin 2011	Eq. 21st (12 votes)	N/A	N/A	3rd	N/A	N/A
Pendlebury 2017	Eq. 12th (15 votes)	N/A	N/A	6th	N/A	N/A
Pendlebury 2009	Eq. 14th (13 votes)	N/A	N/A	6th	10	N/A
Pendlebury 2021	6 votes	N/A	N/A	3rd	N/A	N/A
Pendlebury 2007	1 vote	N/A	N/A	2nd	80, 80, 40	N/A
Martin 2010	6 votes	N/A	N/A	4th	N/A	N/A
Martin 2012	5 votes	N/A	N/A	10th	N/A	N/A

Pendlebury has 3 of the best 5 seasons, 9 of the best 15 seasons, 12 of the best 20 seasons.

Lol ffs
Martin is alot more damaging and clutch , 3 norm Smiths , goodbye.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I feel like people underrate Hird because he became a shite, drug cheating coach. At the time, Carey and Hird were pretty widely considered one and two in the league.

He was probably on the gear when he was playing, he went to that gym back then.

 

[Sttew]

I feel like people underrate Hird because he became a shite, drug cheating coach. At the time, Carey and Hird were pretty widely considered one and two in the league.

When was that ‘time’? Carey’s best was 2000 and before

 

[tastiger]

When was that ‘time’? Carey’s best was 2000 and before

Hird was a gun from 1995 onwards. Played CHF that season and was second only to Carey in what was the hardest position to play back then.


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[PhatBoy]

Hird was a gun from 1995 onwards. Played CHF that season and was second only to Carey in what was the hardest position to play back then.


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Hmm. I think Kernahan, veteran though he was, Garry Lyon and Stewart Loewe might argue that.