Richmond vs North

[Black Diamond]

Lol?
We beat the 2 grand finalists.
You beat the other 2 top 4 teams (one that probably shouldn't have been there) and Carlton who didn't make the 8. I think that shows we beat the higher quality opponents

I've already answered this question.

 

[TiggerMan22]

I think you are the one who is overrating your list, You had 4 wins mate against teams not in the bottom 6

Your 3rd and 4th best wins of the season was against a St Kilda side that had no Ruckman and got only 12 hitouts (and you still nearly lost), and a win against an Essendon team in the midst of a 7 game losing streak

Essendon and Carlton were decimated by Injuries and STILL finished above you

So you can hang your hat on the fact you had wins over the Grand Finalists (your only decent wins all season) and weren't thrashed all season, but you are way off it mate.

yet you still had a better top 4 then us, this suggests your 5-22 is way behind ours.

Hahaha, stupidest post I have ever read. Your only good wins were against Collingwood, Adelaide and Geelong (Kind of, you beat them at Ethihad at the start of the year before they were playing well). Your other wins against non-bottom sides were Essendon (In that losing streak aswell), Carlton ( Not in the first 3 rounds so in horrible form) and St.Kilda. Not that much more impressive.

Essendon and Carlton finished above us (just) because before they were decimated with injuries they had already put wins on the board.

You say we only had 2 decent wins against the grand finalists but you only had 2 decent wins against the other top 4 teams.

How can you think we are way behind you? You beat us by 4 points when we had Foley, Grimes, Vickery out (worth at least 4 goals) and you had no one out (I don't think)
Also your percentage was only 1% better than ours, even with you beating GWS by 129 and 28 and Gold Coast by 7 and 34 with us gaining no percentage advantage from either team.
And you finished 3 and a half win in front of us, if you take out the games against both expansions sides you finish half a game in front of us and with a lot less percentage.

And then if you look at loses that were close (under 4 goals) Essendon (2), Bulldogs (18), Port (2), West Coast (2). For Richmond Collingwood (21), Geelong (10), West Coast (10), Essendon (19), Fremantle (12), Adelaide (19), Gold Coast (2), North (4), Carlton (2), Fremantle (22) and then the draw against port.
You had 4 close losses we had 10 and a draw.

You can't seriously say that you are way ahead of us after looking at that.
You had a near perfect run with injuries, we were missing 2 key player for at least half the year.
Your percentage was 1% better even after gaining so much from GWS and Gold Coast.
Without the expansion team wins, you finish half a game ahead of us.
And we had so many more close losses which could have easily gone either way.

You may be ahead of us, but just. If we can turn around those close losses to wins, we could easily jump you next year.

 

[Bazzar]

Lol?
We beat the 2 grand finalists.
You beat the other 2 top 4 teams (one that probably shouldn't have been there) and Carlton who didn't make the 8. I think that shows we beat the higher quality opponents

Not to mention Richmonds 3 biggest losses were 44, 22 and 21pts, and Norths biggest loss were 115, 53 and 36, and their percentage at the end was only 0.86 higher. Factor in their soft draw and first up smashing in the finals shows they are no where near streets ahead like they claim.

 

[TiggerMan22]

I've already answered this question.

Your answer made no sense. We beat the higher quality opponents

 

[Bazzar]

Your answer made no sense. We beat the higher quality opponents

His answer was an illusion.

 

[Black Diamond]

Not to mention Richmonds 3 biggest losses were 44, 22 and 21pts, and Norths biggest loss were 115, 53 and 36, and their percentage at the end was only 0.86 higher. Factor in their soft draw and first up smashing in the finals shows they are no where near streets ahead like they claim.

There is one poster claiming we're streets ahead.

Once more:

Teams we beat which Richmond didn't: Collingwood, Adelaide, Geelong, Carlton, Gold Coast;

Teams Richmond beat which we didn't: Sydney, Hawthorn, Port.

Factoring in the draw, we still beat more teams than Richmond. We finished four wins ahead, so take out the return matches against GWS and GC and we still finish ahead.

Your answer made no sense. We beat the higher quality opponents

Hawthorn, Sydney, Adelaide, Collingwood and Geelong are all high quality opponents. We beat three of them and you beat two. 3>2.

 

[Bazzar]

Hawthorn, Sydney, Adelaide, Collingwood and Geelong are all high quality opponents. We beat three of them and you beat two. 3>2.

Who were the two best teams in the comp this year?

And just out of interest, how many clubs managed to beat both those teams.

 

[TiggerMan22]

There is one poster claiming we're streets ahead.

Once more:

Teams we beat which Richmond didn't: Collingwood, Adelaide, Geelong, Carlton, Gold Coast;

Teams Richmond beat which we didn't: Sydney, Hawthorn, Port.

Factoring in the draw, we still beat more teams than Richmond. We finished four wins ahead, so take out the return matches against GWS and GC and we still finish ahead.



Hawthorn, Sydney, Adelaide, Collingwood and Geelong are all high quality opponents. We beat three of them and you beat two. 3>2.

3 and a half win ahead*. And as I said without expansion sides we would have also had a much higher percentage. Also we had a lot more close games. Next year if we change those to wins we finish ahead.

We beat the grand finalists
1,2>3,4,7

 

[Black Diamond]

Who were the two best teams in the comp this year?

And just out of interest, how many clubs managed to beat both those teams.

Did you watch the finals? By the end the difference between Sydney, Hawthorn and Adelaide was minimal.

Geelong IIRC was the only other to beat both.

 

[Black Diamond]

3 and a half win ahead*. And as I said without expansion sides we would have also had a much higher percentage. Also we had a lot more close games. Next year if we change those to wins we finish ahead.

We beat the grand finalists
1,2>3,4,7

As long as we're counting close games, we lost by less than a goal on three occasions. Next year if we change those to wins we finish ahead.

 

[Kcrack]

Hahaha, stupidest post I have ever read. Your only good wins were against Collingwood, Adelaide and Geelong (Kind of, you beat them at Ethihad at the start of the year before they were playing well). Your other wins against non-bottom sides were Essendon (In that losing streak aswell), Carlton ( Not in the first 3 rounds so in horrible form) and St.Kilda. Not that much more impressive.
Essendon and Carlton finished above us (just) because before they were decimated with injuries they had already put wins on the board.

How did Richmond go in their return game against Carlton again (when they were decimated by injury and in that horrible form)?

 

[mufassa]

3 and a half win ahead*. And as I said without expansion sides we would have also had a much higher percentage. Also we had a lot more close games. Next year if we change those to wins we finish ahead.

We beat the grand finalists
1,2>3,4,7

You are bringing up our soft games against the Suns?? Please tell us more.

3 games lost by 2 points close them out we go further ahead.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Top 4. The Tiges could fall in to the top 8, but wouldn't do much havoc.

29 point win over Sydney
62 point win over Hawthorn
19 point loss to Adelaide
21 point loss to Collingwood
12 point loss to West Coast
12 point loss and 22 point loss to Freo
10 point loss to Geelong
4 point loss to North

That was this year. I'd expect the improved model next year would be even more competitive.

 

[Mixed Results]

Hahaha, stupidest post I have ever read. Your only good wins were against Collingwood, Adelaide and Geelong (Kind of, you beat them at Ethihad at the start of the year before they were playing well). Your other wins against non-bottom sides were Essendon (In that losing streak aswell), Carlton ( Not in the first 3 rounds so in horrible form) and St.Kilda. Not that much more impressive.

Essendon and Carlton finished above us (just) because before they were decimated with injuries they had already put wins on the board.

You say we only had 2 decent wins against the grand finalists but you only had 2 decent wins against the other top 4 teams.

How can you think we are way behind you? You beat us by 4 points when we had Foley, Grimes, Vickery out (worth at least 4 goals) and you had no one out (I don't think)
Also your percentage was only 1% better than ours, even with you beating GWS by 129 and 28 and Gold Coast by 7 and 34 with us gaining no percentage advantage from either team.
And you finished 3 and a half win in front of us, if you take out the games against both expansions sides you finish half a game in front of us and with a lot less percentage.

And then if you look at loses that were close (under 4 goals) Essendon (2), Bulldogs (18), Port (2), West Coast (2). For Richmond Collingwood (21), Geelong (10), West Coast (10), Essendon (19), Fremantle (12), Adelaide (19), Gold Coast (2), North (4), Carlton (2), Fremantle (22) and then the draw against port.
You had 4 close losses we had 10 and a draw.

You can't seriously say that you are way ahead of us after looking at that.
You had a near perfect run with injuries, we were missing 2 key player for at least half the year.
Your percentage was 1% better even after gaining so much from GWS and Gold Coast.
Without the expansion team wins, you finish half a game ahead of us.
And we had so many more close losses which could have easily gone either way.

You may be ahead of us, but just. If we can turn around those close losses to wins, we could easily jump you next year.

You undersell a lot our games, The Essendon, Carlton and St Kilda games were all Elimination finals for those teams, we kicked all of them out of the 8 in do or die games. Those teams played there hearts out and still couldn't beat us. Against Essendon we player with 2 on the bench and a Concussed Hansen for the entire game yet still won. That Carlton game was tough, you say they didn't have great form but you probably have forgotten they beat Collingwood the week before, Carlton had most of their best players, and was one of the only times all season they had Murphy and Judd at the same time. The Carlton hype train was at full speed before that game and he put it too a complete stop. Then there was us ruthlessly removing St Kilda out of the 8, after withstanding a period where we were 4 goals down after allowing a run of 7 out of 8 goals. They couldn't afford to lose that game.

And then their is the lols of you not including our win against you as impressive. I think you should know very well that even without Foley, Grimes and Vickery (we were missing Ziebell) this was one of your greatest efforts of the season. After the crap you had the weak before this was do or die for Richmond, what should have been a walk in the park was stifled by a determined Richmond team which had their season on the line.

Also the expansion teams crap is a load of rubbish, there was a clear cut bottom 6 this season and we both got 5 wins from 7 games with about the same amount of percentage boosters. The teams you played twice only
averaged 9 wins ours averaged 8.2, minuscule difference.

The injury difference is nowhere near as big as you make it seem, the most important aspect is continuity and North had 15 players who played 18 games or more and Richmond had 16. So Richmond had the more consistent line-up all season. You are deluded if you think a full season of Foley, Grimes and Vickery puts you above us anyway. You had a good run of injuries, don't be deluded.. if I was an Essendon fan I'd be willing to slap a Richmond supporter who complained about their injuries.

This close loss crap reminds of Melbourne in 2010, all pre season they were trumpeting about how they were putting it up there with the Big Boys and North were getting thrashed by them. In that Season they had two less wins then us and about 10% more percentage and that was the sign of all signs they would leap frog us and it was even echoed by the bookies who had Melbourne as favourites to make the 8 with North favoured to miss the 8.

You blokes are far off it, people putting you in the top 4 is laughable

 

[Black Diamond]

And now for Phase 3: Richmond's close loses will become wins, but North's won't.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

How did Richmond go in their return game against Carlton again (when they were decimated by injury and in that horrible form)?

Carlton had 8 out that game. Richmond had 5 out. Carlton are about a ~4 goal better side than Richmond so with a few extra players out the result was a 4 point margin.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Forget about him mate.

He's one of those people that think arguing on the internet will make his side better.



Maybe you should get a clue before commenting?

I read your post. You know nothing about football. Stick to supercoach.

5000 posts in 90 days........

Yet you think he is?

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Most people have accepted your depth is weak, even the club has acknowledged this with the recruiting of ready to go players in Knights, Chaplin and Edwards. Meanwhile most people think North have the weakest top 4 of all the teams not in the bottom 6. So Richmond had a poor season which people blamed on their Depth, and North had a good season which people awarded to their depth. This is why our 5-22 tears yours to shreds, because it gets the job done and has runs on the board.

5-22 is 18 players, nearly the entire team. If North's 5-22 were so much better a near full strength North (no Ziebell + maybe some fringe) would've beaten Richmond by more than 4 points, especially when they had Foley (better than Ziebell), Grimes and Vickery (plus a few fringe players) out with injury.

Either that or Cotchin, Deledio, Maric and Riewoldt are light years ahead of North's best four, which isn't the case.

 

[Kcrack]

Carlton had 8 out that game. Richmond had 5 out. Carlton are about a ~4 goal better side than Richmond so with a few extra players out the result was a 4 point margin.

But Richmond beat both grand finalists, the Carlton VFL team should have been destroyed.

 

[Bazzar]

Top 8 averages.


Richmond
Average winning margin 45 pts
62 point win over Hawthorn
29 point win over Sydney
Average losing margin 14.28 pts
21 point loss to Collingwood
19 point loss to Adelaide
12 point loss to West Coast
12 point loss and 22 point loss to Freo
10 point loss to Geelong
4 point loss to North

North
Average winning margin 26.33 pts
32 point win over Adelaide
30 point win over Collingwood
17 point win over Geelong

Average losing margin 46.2 pts
115 point loss to Hawthorn
53 point loss to Freo
36 point loss to Sydney
25 and 2 point loss to Eagles

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

But Richmond beat both grand finalists, the Carlton VFL team should have been destroyed.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

 

[Kcrack]

Once again Bazzar..

Teams we beat which Richmond didn't: Collingwood, Adelaide, Geelong, Carlton, Gold Coast;

Teams Richmond beat which we didn't: Sydney, Hawthorn, Port.

 

[Mixed Results]

5-22 is 18 players, nearly the entire team. If North's 5-22 were so much better a near full strength North (no Ziebell + maybe some fringe) would've beaten Richmond by more than 4 points, especially when they had Foley (better than Ziebell), Grimes and Vickery (plus a few fringe players) out with injury.

Either that or Cotchin, Deledio, Maric and Riewoldt are light years ahead of North's best four, which isn't the case.

Silly argument, by this logic Gold Coast > Richmond > Hawthorn

As a Richmond supporter you should know Richmond played for their season that day, if you guys weren't giving a Grand Final effort that day then you don't deserve to make finals.

 

[Kcrack]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Pointing out the hypocrisy to the Richmond supporter trying to say our win vs Carlton was nothing special, seeing as Richmond lost to them two weeks after.

 

[Mixed Results]

Top 8 averages.


Richmond
Average winning margin 45 pts
62 point win over Hawthorn
29 point win over Sydney
Average losing margin 14.28 pts
21 point loss to Collingwood
19 point loss to Adelaide
12 point loss to West Coast
12 point loss and 22 point loss to Freo
10 point loss to Geelong
4 point loss to North

North
Average winning margin 26.33 pts
32 point win over Adelaide
30 point win over Collingwood
17 point win over Geelong

Average losing margin 46.2 pts
115 point loss to Hawthorn
53 point loss to Freo
36 point loss to Sydney
25 and 2 point loss to Eagles

These stats only look impressive when you factor in the Hawks loss for North

at Quarter Time of that game the score is 32 to 25 in the favour of the hawks, and Todd Goldstein is rucking great and zoning off on Buddy and has taken a few big grabs in the backline.. then Goldy does his ankle Hawthorn proceed to rack up 60 total Hit Outs and our game plan of dealing with buddy crumbles with Goldy being limited.

As a Richmond supporter you should know the importance of Goldy, just think back to that game in Gold Coast without Maric