Autopsy Roast & Toast v Geelong & Changes For Essendon

[guruisatiger]

Common sense is such a wonderful thing. Shame a lot don’t have it lol.

Putting your self high on the common sense pedestal good on ya

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Maybe she has a thing for baldys

perhaps

 

[guruisatiger]

perhaps

Or kmac did some Milwaukee renovations at her residence

 

[Wooden Robot]

Why do people say this when we have a good second half? Has Geelong showed that they let up against shit teams this year?

Maybe the same reason every time we have a crap second half that posters use the ‘we’re young, we ran out of gas’ card.
The game was over at half time.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Or kmac did some Milwaukee renovations at her residence

Thats more feesable,

 

[Truetiger]

Putting your self high on the common sense pedestal good on ya

lol

 

[Michaels]

Michaels please explain?

It’s not a count of how much in that range being unique to each other.

E.g the players in the under 10 games also are in the under 50 games

It just shows what the total number in each bracket looks like.

 

[_jrtp09_]

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Baby Riz??

 

[Julio Dulio]

Maybe the same reason every time we have a crap second half that posters use the ‘we’re young, we ran out of gas’ card.
The game was over at half time.

Geelongs had games like that already though, but they kicked on. Doesn’t make sense to take the foot off this game only

 

[Muddiemoose]

It’s not a count of how much in that range being unique to each other.

E.g the players in the under 10 games also are in the under 50 games

It just shows what the total number in each bracket looks like.

Want to also highlight this fantastic point that delves deeper into what the younger and less experienced list means in terms of performance on gameday

It’s articulated a lot better than I could put it over two posts

But this specific section highlights it perfectly

“I think my argument is that when you’ve got so many inexperienced players, adhering to a structure is so much harder. Structure in sport requires all player to adhere to it at all times, and if not, it has a more-than-likely chance of failing. So even if you had 10 experience players running around, it doesn’t mean that the other 8 inexperienced players are unlikely to disrupt a system.”

Statistically we came into the season as the third youngest team (average age 23.8 years. West Coast 23.7 and North the youngest at 23.6. For sake of comparison, Collingwood is an average three years older than us as the oldest list in the comp.); and by far away the least experienced team in the AFL at 52.7 games (second least experienced team is 8 game more per player average [which if I’ve done my maths right means a total list discrepancy of 350 games]).

The three most inexperienced and youngest teams (us, West Coast and North Melbourne) are the three bottom teams; and all (certainly West Coast) have a fair chunk of former premiership players. In contrast, three of the four most experienced and oldest lists are currently in the top 4.

So I’d say there is a definite correlation between experience and age of a list and ladder position.

I’d also suggest that the most experienced players at the club are well past their prime, and the experienced midfielders are as a collective not as talented as most other midfields.

It’s definitely a worthwhile question you pose, but my personal view is twofold. One, the experience of the premiership plays feeds more on the off-field stuff than on-field (culture, training standards, preparation etc.) and secondly, that the sheer amount of inexperienced players means that over 120 minutes of football, team structure will be more likely to fail more often.

All good. Still a good question to ask.

I’d say that age shouldn’t be as much of a factor as experience. As an example from say the Freo game, Amiss is two years younger than Blight but would have played around 50 games more.

I think my argument is that when you’ve got so many inexperienced players, adhering to a structure is so much harder. Structure in sport requires all player to adhere to it at all times, and if not, it has a more-than-likely chance of failing. So even if you had 10 experience players running around, it doesn’t mean that the other 8 inexperienced players are unlikely to disrupt a system.

 

[LTT]

You make it sound like it wasn’t just criticism.

I was critical of the way the coaches have treated MRJ. I have said multiple time he has been set up to fail, How many times was he brought in when he wasn't ready. How many times did he get played in as a high half forward or midfielder in the VFL but not played in that position if the AFL. This time by pure luck they played him as a high half forward in the VFL and he got to play the same role in the AFL, and he succeeded. The worrying thing for Rioli is that he only played high half forward because Lalor got injured. Nothing says our coaches won't pick Hotton as a high half forward next week and Rioli will be back in the forward pocket. Then he will play two bad games, and we will drop him and the cycle will continue.

 

[captain blood 17]

It’s not a count of how much in that range being unique to each other.

E.g the players in the under 10 games also are in the under 50 games

It just shows what the total number in each bracket looks like.

Woah, settle down mate. No need to yell . Sheesh.

 

[Groupie_]

how it works that in just 7 weeks time we play Geelong again is straight crazy.
AFL just giving the cats a easy lay up in the final round.

carltoon played norf and west coast 5 weeks after they played norf and west coast

 

[LTT]

need a mid that is willing to run both ways. both taranto and hopper are slow and shocking one-way runners.
people see tackles in their stats line and think theyre good defensively, theyre non-competitive in this regard. opponents burn them every game on counter-attack. is sharp a two-way runner?

Just from watching the game I think your opinion is correct. I would be curious as to how many of their tackles happen at the clearance contest verses when the ball has exited the area. I would suspect the number would be very high. I would also e interested in how many handball chains they get involved in. I think that Yze has the Petracca Viney and Oliver model in his head from his time a Melbourne, but Geelong Collingwood and Bulldogs have moved passed that model. Getting another midfield bull won't help until Yze changes his thinking

 

[smasha]

I thought it was quite a good game for us.

Our worse situation for the year and Geelong could not destroy us despite the headlines.


Absolute smack in the guts for Geelong and RFC showed a lot of character

Our defence clearly stood up and we provided a contest.

Focus on the draft and future development we should be crushing a number of teams by over 200 points in the next 5 years or so


the fact Geelong could not beat us by over 100 given our situation is quite damming for Geelong

I could not watch a lot of it because I do not want to see our players hurt but I was anticipating a far worse score result after what had happened but obviously some held their heads high. I am actually pleased. We have had far worse results in the past.

Our kids got more development and Trainor did not get a concussion so it could have been far worse. Our kids are just starting, they obviously will get better

CFL boy's club website reckons we got destroyed lol.

 

[ShereKhan]

I agree with this, weve drafted the players. Be nice to atleast get one of them on the park though.

Of course. But none of them are 21yo yet. Plus we will get at least two more elite mids this draft and next, giving us 6 x highly talented mids aged 22yo and younger from 2027. (This doesn’t include MRJ or Campbell who could be midfield impact players).

It’s hard to see the future with so many injuries and such a poor month of on-field results. But we are playing with both hands behind our back at the moment with player unavailability.

Unlike many other teams we are building a Premiership list, not an ‘I hope we sneak into the finals’ list.

 

[RogerDean]

That was a hard watch. Despite our obvious failings the team still played with enthusiasm- a far cry from Carlton's effort on Friday night. but for me the highlight of the night was the Geelong fan who had the coin toss before the game...flipped the coin then couldnt see where it went. It had gone straight over his head and landed in the grass behind him!

 

[ShereKhan]

I was critical of the way the coaches have treated MRJ. I have said multiple time he has been set up to fail, How many times was he brought in when he wasn't ready. How many times did he get played in as a high half forward or midfielder in the VFL but not played in that position if the AFL. This time by pure luck they played him as a high half forward in the VFL and he got to play the same role in the AFL, and he succeeded. The worrying thing for Rioli is that he only played high half forward because Lalor got injured. Nothing says our coaches won't pick Hotton as a high half forward next week and Rioli will be back in the forward pocket. Then he will play two bad games, and we will drop him and the cycle will continue.

MRJ’s future is up to him. He clearly has the talent to carve out a career as a permanent best-23 player. He’s 22yo. The ball is in his court. Get rock hard fit and stay that way in off-seasons and a quality 200+ game career awaits.

Come back overweight and unfit and career will be cooked within 18-months.

Don’t blame the club if MRJ doesn’t make it. He usually plays forward pocket or as sub because he can’t run beyond quarter time as he’s cooked.

 

[Truetiger]

I agree with this, weve drafted the players. Be nice to atleast get one of them on the park though.

It would be great to have them on the field. We would be a completely different team. The more games we pump into them, the better. That’s why many people need to relax.

 

[Chomp12]

CFL boy's club website reckons we got destroyed lol.

Because we did haha….
Let’s be real the margin should’ve been far greater

 

[MadMaxfield95]

CFL boy's club website reckons we got destroyed lol.

As much as I hate the CFL. This one they did get right. We did get destroyed, we were not competitive and they naturally put the cue in the rack.

 

[captain blood 17]

As much as I hate the CFL. This one they did get right. We did get destroyed, we were not competitive and they naturally put the cue in the rack.

Not competative. We won the last, were massively competitive in the first. The second and third quarters were no good. But for half a game we were more than competitive. So, again, i’m shocked AFL journos know **** all about what actually happened.

 

[TigerTough 65]

Did Lalor have hammy issues in his junior career ?

According to the 2024 AFL Draft Guide, Sam Lalor’s 2024 season at the top tier U.18 level, he sustained the following injuries:
- Hip complaint, followed by foot and quad niggles, culminating in an hamstring strain which ended his campaign in the Wild card round of the AFL U.18 Championships.
This injury setback was of 12-14 weeks duration, which resulted in him having to sit out the National Draft Combine.

He was also playing junior cricket at representative level, prior to the 2024 footy season and had not done a proper pre-season leading into the start of the competition.

So yes - he does have some previous injury history (due to dual sporting roles and not doing any real proper preseason(s) and getting his body properly conditioned to play out a season of football at the highest level being U.18 as of 2024).

The Tigers will have to be very cautious in rehabbing him from his latest hamstring injury setback, given his previous history, as he will be a cornerstone of the side in it’s rebuild as a midfielder / forward role (similar playing role to what Dusty was doing for the club), personally I would now write this season off for Sam and concentrate on:

• making sure he is fully recovered from his hamstring injury thus:
• enabling him to be in the best position to do a full pre-season, get his body right and have the confidence to tackle the 2026 season head on.

Go Tigers….Keep The Faith…Eat ‘Em Alive

 

[Michaels]

Woah, settle down mate. No need to yell . Sheesh.

ha ha you know I love you

 

[Hoos]

In: Young, Tresize, Hotton, Short
Out: Sonsie, Balta, Lalor, Alger

Ralphsmith will be an out so I would keep Alger in.