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Weather is not great at the moment. Could be another tiny crowd
Review Round 9 - GWS Giants vs West Coast Eagles @ Skoda
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sherb
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It would be a tiny crowd anyway. Regardless of the weather.
They aren't going to get many people to watch them while they are so uncompetitive.
I paid memberships in each of the past 3 years and I am starting to get pretty disillusioned about the way they have gone about things.
They simply aren't going to garner support while they put a team of kids out on the park each week to get thrashed.
Drezdyn
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My thoughts exactly after that Adelaide game. It seems like an unusual strategy to try and break into afl-resistant territory with an uncompetitive team.
It's a huge gamble to hope that these young men will form a powerhouse team in the future. If it pays off then all will be good. If it fails.... it will kill off AFL in Western Sydney for good.
They simply aren't going to garner support while they put a team of kids out on the park each week to get thrashed.
I just recently finished watching a documentary put out by the afl "From Boys to Giants". It's an old one (i.e. pre-2012 - when Izzy was still our "marquee"). What was interesting is that you overheard SOS at one point mentioning that they weren't drafting specific players to build a team, and that they could always trade these players at a later date.
I now wonder if the GWS strategy was to establish these players, then sell them off as needed. A bit like a post-draft talent nursery.
If that is the case then perhaps now is that tipping point when list management starts trading away the players we've got for more established players.
Anyway.... I'm still rocking up this Saturday, rain, hail or shine. Hopefully we'll see some continued improvement from the players.
I honestly can't help but think they got the strategy completely wrong and that Sheedy was not the man for the job. I hope he can prove me wrong though. AFL really need to make sure they have a review about GWS and how well the strategy on and off field is going and try to improve on things. Obviously they were never going to replicate the advances of the Wanderers in a closed player market, but there have to be better systems to implement.
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We always knew that there would be pain in the first few years but what it would seem we have done is give our kids 2 full years to decide which ones were up to it and in doing this by the years end pump around 40 games into the likes of Cameron, Mohr,Kennedy,Bugg, Smith,Cogs, Greene & Shiel - which would of been harder to do if we had experienced players taking games off these kids.
so when we add 3 or so experienced guys in 2014 these players will be joining a team that has a number of players who have shown they are up to it and are heading towards 50+ games. So these experienced players joining us won't worry that this kid will stuff up if i give him the ball but rather have trust in the players around him.
And its worth considering that:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...erienced-ruckmen/story-fnca0u4y-1226647917127
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It would be a tiny crowd anyway. Regardless of the weather.
They aren't going to get many people to watch them while they are so uncompetitive.
I paid memberships in each of the past 3 years and I am starting to get pretty disillusioned about the way they have gone about things.
They simply aren't going to garner support while they put a team of kids out on the park each week to get thrashed.
I don't begrudge anyone who would rather watch the Giants from home at the moment.
Unless the Giants have a top 4 side, there will be little immediate impact on their effect in West Sydney. The market for fans in West Sydney needs to grow with the Giants team. Even though we suck, not THAT many people from West Sydney have seen us suck
If we were merely competitive, I still think we may be only getting 12,000 fans max anyway. If we were ultra-competitive, than sure, that will balloon out - but it is impossible to become ultra-competitive in such a tight competition as the AFL.As the market and the name grows, so the Giants will get better.
Giants are a completely different kettle of fish than the Suns, we need to grow the team AND the market.
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And now back to the actually game:
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/afl-team-whispersround-9-236362
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/afl-team-whispersround-9-236362
lmach
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Sorry to intrude, but you don't just go trading players who've you spent 3-4 years developing for the sake of acquiring established players. That's terrible for team morale. It's how relationships with the coaching staff fall apart. Players start questioning their position in the side and feel as though they're always walking on shaky ground with the possibility of being traded at the drop of a hat.
Maybe one or two, but not a big clean out like you seem to be suggesting.
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You need to remember that as a development side we are a bit different as we will be getting in about 3 experienced players at the years end plus also making the regulation 3 draft picks - but that said 3 those players going will be Cornes, Brogan & Thornton, plus we need to decide if we are better off zone selecting Errin Wasley-Black rather then keeping one of our current kids - and if we go that direction thats a change over of 7 players.
Drezdyn
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My ideal scenario would be for the giants to stick with the playing squad and not lose anyone. Over the last week however, the Giants marketing has been heavily promoting Nic Nat .... and he doesn't even play for us. It just makes me wonder how hard the Giants are going to push to get him next year and whether or not they'll sell the farm to get him.
Perhaps it was the giants' strategy to stick with the current playing group and hope they come good in time (and I hope it still is). However you've got to admit that they've been copping it from every angle in the media since their afl debut, whether it be about the draft concessions and cost of living allowance, the perceived non-performance of our highly paid players, the focus on lack of on-field "success" and dismal crowds. In short, they may be tempted to give up too much to get some instant success. I just hope they don't slaughter our golden goose for it (i.e. our current playing group).
lmach
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Just so you know, there is no chance of Naitanui going anywhere.
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Its was Sheedy being Sheedy and realistically we all know his not going any where but from a giants point of view its nice to dream
Giants fans, get ready for pain. Pain from the Blayne Train.
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That would be a little more intimidating if we hadn't already gone winless this season with our last two outings totalling almost 220 points in the losses.
Not sure if you can read anything into that, but O'hAilpin looks set to return. Notably Miles is still on the board too.
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Sheedy posted a larger version of the whiteboard. We might be able to postulate a team from that.
How is Folau on the same board as Whitfield and Corr?
Edit: Don't worry. I got it now. I read the board before checking twitter and Facebook etc.
Edit: Don't worry. I got it now. I read the board before checking twitter and Facebook etc.
So Townsend and O'hAilpin back in by the looks, no bench revealed in his photo though.
Also, Waters isn't playing for us.
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Looking at Sheed's whiteboard
Kennedy-Mohr-Gilham
Corr-Bruce-Townsend
Treloar- Greene - Coniglio
Palmer-O'hAilpin-Whitfield
???-Cameron-Smith
??? - Miles - Ward
Presumably one of Giles/Brogan is under Folau as starting ruckman
I'd presume Adams is probably filling the forward line and Scully/Shiel on the bench. Bugg on the bench too with the other ruckman?
Kennedy-Mohr-Gilham
Corr-Bruce-Townsend
Treloar- Greene - Coniglio
Palmer-O'hAilpin-Whitfield
???-Cameron-Smith
??? - Miles - Ward
Presumably one of Giles/Brogan is under Folau as starting ruckman
I'd presume Adams is probably filling the forward line and Scully/Shiel on the bench. Bugg on the bench too with the other ruckman?
in: Hampton, Treloar, Buntine
out: Bugg, Golds, Whiley
No sign of O'hAilpin or Townsend...
out: Bugg, Golds, Whiley
No sign of O'hAilpin or Townsend...
coniglio_number1
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Oh god Hampton.... Maybe give him some time on the wings? His current form is far too costly in the back half
