Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[Hoops]

some people will insist that false allegations are mythical

lol at people this ignorant

Not mythical, but rare.

 

[Grumpyshades]

Not mythical, but rare.

rarely caught or prosecuted

big difference

 

[Gavin Excell]

Honestly I think it’s best for everyone if this thread just gets nuked

Actually think it's better to keep it open so people are made aware of what happened here

The reality is Bruhn will be mercilessly booed by the opposition no matter today's outcome

 

[Satan]

Actually think it's better to keep it open so people are made aware of what happened here

The reality is Bruhn will be mercilessly booed by the opposition no matter today's outcome

adam says hi

 

[Sttew]

that is from his testimony not hers

No, go back and double check. 'Even in the Complainant's statement she said, "Sometimes when I am drunk... "'

 

[mighty_lions]

No, go back and double check. 'Even in the Complainant's statement she said, "Sometimes when I am drunk... "'

where are you getting this from?

 

[Sttew]

where are you getting this from?

The Herald Sun report this afternoon

 

[mighty_lions]

The Herald Sun report this afternoon

The second part about having to go back to the complainant multiple times isn't out of the ordinary, I listen to a prosecutor's podcast and they address this type of issue, people make statements and misremember all the time, an example would be you said x happened but we have footage saying y happened

 

[Saint]

So, better that the next ‘victim’ is ignored when he/she makes a complaint?

Due process has been served - the complainant found out to be a liar and extortionist, the defendant exonnerated.

Yes, it’s a rough ride but Bruhns now has legal redress available

You don’t get these results by ignoring complaints because he plays for GFC.

What utter nonsense.

Missed a year at the peak of his career because of a false accusation to the point where police have paid his legal costs. Not only has the complainant cost him all of this, they cost the Government/taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars, probably millions.

It seems like the police/prosecution went too far in charging before gathering all the evidence. And when they did have all the evidence, realised they were wrong.

To prove a case of perjury against the complainant, you'd have to sift through all their statements where they said they were drunk and weren't quite sure etc. "I didn't lie deliberately, my memory was just wrong".

An utter disaster from VicPol and for two young men.

Everyone who boos him might will only be amplifying these very rare false accusations beyond their likelihood.

 

[Millsie69]

 

[Sttew]

The second part about having to go back to the complainant multiple times isn't out of the ordinary, I listen to a prosecutor's podcast and they address this type of issue, people make statements and misremember all the time, an example would be you said x happened but we have footage saying y happened

Statements that go to the heart of the complaint, like he strangled me to the point I couldn't breathe? Turned out the medical evidence completely debunked that. How do you get something so wrong unless you are making it up? I get it you might say he was driving north when you meant south, but...

That this matter dragged on for as long as it did is the second biggest travesty here given how flimsy the case was.

 

[PrancingPony]

Sad to think a young man's life was nearly ruined forever because someone thought it would be a good idea to lie about one of the most heinous crimes one can commit. The fact it ever became public is embarrassing, I guess this is one of the rare times the justice system actually got something right, the fact it even got leaked however is disgusting, it allowed the public to make their own verdict before anything had happened, a lot of people operate off of "guilty until proven innocent."

Sad thing is, cases like these make it harder for real victims to come out about sexual assault, because when it becomes public they've lied it creates a domino effect of people being less likely to believe actual victims.

 

[mighty_lions]

Statements that go to the heart of the complaint, like he strangled me to the point I couldn't breathe? Turned out the medical evidence completely debunked that. How do you get something so wrong unless you are making it up? I get it you might say he was driving north when you meant south, but...

That this matter dragged on for as long as it did is the second biggest travesty here given how flimsy the case was.

Im not sure the relevance with how many times ive posted

 

[Saint]

Sad to think a young man's life was nearly ruined forever because someone thought it would be a good idea to lie about one of the most heinous crimes one can commit. The fact it ever became public is embarrassing, I guess this is one of the rare times the justice system actually got something right.

Sad thing is, cases like these make it harder for real victims to come out about sexual assault, because when it becomes public they've lied it creates a domino effect of people being less likely to believe actual victims.

It will make high-profile people stay away from sex workers, possibly. It certainly lowers their reputation even further.

If you were a high-profile person, it would be awful to try to avoid this sort of thing as a professional athlete in your early 20's.

 

[PrancingPony]

It will make high-profile people stay away from sex workers, possibly. It certainly lowers their reputation even further.

If you were a high-profile person, it would be awful to try to avoid this sort of thing as a professional athlete in your early 20's.

Absolutely, I get why a lot of them go toward those in the sex work industry, more transactional, less likely to be blackmailed, fairly straightforward, but after this, they will be thinking twice about it.

To think a young man not even in the prime of his career nearly had it all taken away from him.

 

[voorhees]

Add his name to the thread title.

no need for that.
man has been through enough

 

[kickazz]

Sad to think a young man's life was nearly ruined forever because someone thought it would be a good idea to lie about one of the most heinous crimes one can commit. The fact it ever became public is embarrassing, I guess this is one of the rare times the justice system actually got something right, the fact it even got leaked however is disgusting, it allowed the public to make their own verdict before anything had happened, a lot of people operate off of "guilty until proven innocent."

Sad thing is, cases like these make it harder for real victims to come out about sexual assault, because when it becomes public they've lied it creates a domino effect of people being less likely to believe actual victims.

I think this is where it is important for perjury / PTCOJ charges to be pursued.

Because then it will help the public see there is a clear difference: Those who lie about it are clearly different to those who were (presumably) honest but unfortunately there wasn't enough evidence for a conviction. In the case of the latter, the complainants should have our cautious sympathy - remembering that courts don't find anyone innocent, just not guilty. We should never lump those people in with those proven to have lied.

 

[The Blue Max]

What a load of garbage. You don’t need to take every allegation to court in order to avoid “ignoring” a complainant.

If the complainant is heard and a proper investigation is carried out, nothing is being ignored. Whether charges proceed should depend on the evidence uncovered — not on automatically escalating every claim to a courtroom.

Well done - missed the point completely.

If you bother to go back in this thread to the first post since it was announced the charges were dropped - there have been suggestions that he should not have been charged, because of the stress of him having to defend the accusations, where the evidence was questionable.

This is the point I was addressing. Which you missed.

Note also that it has taken expert cross examination and dedicated follow up by the Informant (The Detective) to reveal the allegations as false.

Clearly in this Case the Police believed it had to be tested in Court.

If we start becoming lenient on who goes before the Courts ‘because it’s a tough gig’, many injustices (especially in SA cases), will occur. In part due to unspecific testimony due to witness recollection being affected and in part due to collusion, as per this case.

I’m sure you agree?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I think this is where it is important for perjury / PTCOJ charges to be pursued.

Because then it will help the public see there is a clear difference: Those who lie about it are clearly different to those who were (presumably) honest but unfortunately there wasn't enough evidence for a conviction. In the case of the latter, the complainants should have our cautious sympathy - remembering that courts don't find anyone innocent, just not guilty. We should never lump those people in with those proven to have lied.

Simce the police are the ones footing the bill currently, I wouldn't be overly surprised if they were keem to pursue it. Because from what has come out today, one is left wondering why on earth they laid the charges in the first place.

As for Bruhn, well words are one thing, but his statement makes it sound as though he's angry enough to possibly take it further. I'd guess ordinarily in this scenario, someone with a decent public profile initiating legal action after having a case dismissed is a bit "went back to get his hat" in that even if they win, the court will probably air out some pretty unsavoury (but not illegal) stuff meaning they ultimately lose anyway.

 

[The Blue Max]

What utter nonsense.

Missed a year at the peak of his career because of a false accusation to the point where police have paid his legal costs. Not only has the complainant cost him all of this, they cost the Government/taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars, probably millions.

It seems like the police/prosecution went too far in charging before gathering all the evidence. And when they did have all the evidence, realised they were wrong.

To prove a case of perjury against the complainant, you'd have to sift through all their statements where they said they were drunk and weren't quite sure etc. "I didn't lie deliberately, my memory was just wrong".

An utter disaster from VicPol and for two young men.

Everyone who boos him might will only be amplifying these very rare false accusations beyond their likelihood.

This is hardly worth replying to. Most of it has nothing to do with what I wrote, the rest is a bizarre distortion of an obvious point.

The only reason Bruhn is free is because of the expertise of his lawyer - the Police charged him believing he was guilty.

Were the police inept? It sounds to me like the Court appearance did it’s job, brought the falsehoods clearly to light.

But if you have some ‘Hollywood perception’ that all cases must be water tight b4 trial, I suggest you watch less TV

Going to court was necessary to bring the truth to light. Otherwise innuendo and rumour would reign.

 

[Saint12]

This is hardly worth replying to. Most of it has nothing to do with what I wrote, the rest is a bizarre distortion of an obvious point.

The only reason Bruhn is free is because of the expertise of his lawyer - the Police charged him believing he was guilty.

Going to court was necessary to bring the truth to light. Otherwise innuendo and rumour would reign.

Or a case to answer....big difference

 

[My Tilly]

Well, we can add two extra midfielders to our rotations next year

 

[Saint]

This is hardly worth replying to. Most of it has nothing to do with what I wrote, the rest is a bizarre distortion of an obvious point.

The only reason Bruhn is free is because of the expertise of his lawyer - the Police charged him believing he was guilty.

Going to court was necessary to bring the truth to light. Otherwise innuendo and rumour would reign.

This wasn't an ordinary "not guilty" or "not enough evidence". Govt is footing costs for the accused. Which means they think they were wrong to bring the charges in the first place.

The Police have essentially admitted to being wrong. Nothing to do with the expertise of the lawyers, but that the witnesses' stories didn't add up.

Police should have figured that out before they pressed charges in the first place.

 

[freo_leo29]

Should receive a massive payout from the AFL for standing him down

Innocent until proven guilty should be the norm

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I've gotta say, I don't think there's a right answer in relation to standing players down if they're charged with this type of thing.

I feel it's pretty much something that the AFL should build into contracts as a standard clause, where players agree that they can't play whilst charged with something serious (or potentially even under investigation).

It's just such a horrible, grubby look for someone who's been charged with rape to play and be cheered on by thousands of young kids.

But it's also horrific when someone is treated as guilty of something and punished if they didn't do anything wrong.

Its kind of just a lose-lose situation really.