Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

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Last 5

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6.4

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4.1

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3.3

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1.8

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220.3

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D

9.0

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5.5

2star

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3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

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2.0

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210.0

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11.2

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6.2

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5.0

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3.8

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1.8

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219.6

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charged



Allegedly

 

[Lady O]

POS doesn't appear to be the type that would stop driving just because his licence is suspended.

Maybe he was able to keep his license because he needed it for his job?

 

[thumbs_up]

Is this based on any actual physical evidence or just a "vibe"?

Not going through this with you again. This was with the use of statistics.

 

[BFew]

POS doesn't appear to be the type that would stop driving just because his licence is suspended.

They should have impounded all his vehicles too.

 

[31550]

Hang on if you are positive for drink/drug driving your licence is suspended on the spot. Charges are on summons and you plead.

No it isn't. What law are you quoting here?

 

[31550]

They should have impounded all his vehicles too.

They only just charged him with this alleged drug driving offence, and it occurred last October. It seems like they didn't even issue a ticket at the time. It's a bit early to be impounding any vehicles. He hasn't even been tried for the drink / drug driving.

 

[BFew]

They only just charged him with this alleged drug driving offence, and it occurred last October. It seems like they didn't even issue a ticket at the time. It's a bit early to be impounding any vehicles. He hasn't even been tried for the drink / drug driving.

The Justice system needs to work way faster.
Preferably within weeks of offences occurring.

 

[Underarrest_]

Really? How did you find that out? I always thought that he killed her during the rape.

I thought that too. Rape and murder was hand in hand but didn’t follow the case closely.

 

[Underarrest_]

You're describing an accident. Are you saying she wasn't dead after he hit her and then went on to murder her? Because if already dead then it wouldn't be murder

Could it be murder if he hit her then let her die by not seeking medical attention?

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Could it be murder if he hit her then let her die by not seeking medical attention?

No

 

[Underarrest_]

No

Ok, what charge would that be?

 

[mrskafoops]

They should have impounded all his vehicles too.

They'd do that in Perth.

 

[mrskafoops]

This is what Google says - If a person has a BAC reading of 0.08 or higher, they will receive an automatic disqualification until their matter is dealt with in court.

 

[mrskafoops]

Ok, what charge would that be?

At a guess assault or grievous bodily harm? I found this: Assault causing death - If you assault someone and they die, you can be charged with assault causing death. You can be charged with this offence even if you didn’t intend for the person to die and didn’t think that your actions could cause their death. An example is a ‘one punch’ assault that causes the victim to fall backwards, hit their head and die. The maximum penalty for assault causing death is 20 years jail. https://www.education.wa.edu.au/dl/v1vv1np

 

[BFew]

This is what Google says - If a person has a BAC reading of 0.08 or higher, they will receive an automatic disqualification until their matter is dealt with in court.

Blood alcohol content limits | Legal Aid WA

www.legalaid.wa.gov.au

'What are the penalties for driving over my BAC limit?​

There are a range of penalties that the court might impose for a drink or drug driving offence. The most common penalty is a fine and disqualification of your licence for a certain period. Your licence might also be cancelled. For some serious drink driving offences you can also go to prison.

If you are charged with an excess 0.08 or DUI (excess 0.15) offence, you will normally be given an immediate licence disqualification notice from the police (often called a roadside disqualification). This lasts for 2 months, and any other disqualification imposed by a court for the offence can take into account how long your licence has already been disqualified under the roadside notice.'

What about the equivalent of drugs in their system?

 

[BFew]

Piss weak immediate suspension laws in VIC.
Where immediate is doublespeak.

Drink driving | Victoria Legal Aid

It is an offence to drive a motor vehicle if the blood alcohol concentration in your breath is higher than the prescribed amount.

www.legalaid.vic.gov.au

'When the police can suspend your licence​

The police can suspend your licence if you are:

• on a full licence and your BAC reading was 0.10 per cent or more
• a P-plate or learner driver and your BAC reading was 0.07 per cent or more.
• charged with a refusal offence
• caught drink or drug driving before within the last 10 years.

This is called an 'immediate suspension' even though it is not always immediate. It could take up to 12 months for this to happen. The suspension lasts until the date in the suspension notice or until your case is heard in court.

If the magistrate cancels your licence and disqualifies you from driving, usually the disqualification will be back-dated to the date you got the immediate suspension notice.
...'

 

[Underarrest_]

Piss weak immediate suspension laws in VIC.
Where immediate is doublespeak.

Drink driving | Victoria Legal Aid

It is an offence to drive a motor vehicle if the blood alcohol concentration in your breath is higher than the prescribed amount.

www.legalaid.vic.gov.au

'When the police can suspend your licence​

The police can suspend your licence if you are:

• on a full licence and your BAC reading was 0.10 per cent or more
• a P-plate or learner driver and your BAC reading was 0.07 per cent or more.
• charged with a refusal offence
• caught drink or drug driving before within the last 10 years.

This is called an 'immediate suspension' even though it is not always immediate. It could take up to 12 months for this to happen. The suspension lasts until the date in the suspension notice or until your case is heard in court.

If the magistrate cancels your licence and disqualifies you from driving, usually the disqualification will be back-dated to the date you got the immediate suspension notice.
...'

So, immediate isn’t immediate and drink driving isn’t necessarily drink driving. Makes no sense.

 

[GrayRanga]

Really? How did you find that out? I always thought that he killed her during the rape.

"With that (you said) you pulled her towards you, pushed her on to the bonnet of a car . . . and raped her," Justice Nettle said.

"You became outraged that she should dare repel your advances in that fashion," he said.

"You were determined to have your way with her and so you overpowered her and raped her where she stood.

"Then you attacked her again because she was threatening to call the police, and in the process you strangled her."

Adrian Bayley | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Adrian Ernest Bayley was sentenced to life in prison with a 35 year non-parole period in Australia on June 20, 2013 for the rape and murder of Jill Meagher, 29.

murderpedia.org

 

[Run n Spread]

No it isn't. What law are you quoting here?

Drink/drug driving. If you test positive your licence is confiscated on the spot.

 

[mrskafoops]

"With that (you said) you pulled her towards you, pushed her on to the bonnet of a car . . . and raped her," Justice Nettle said.

"You became outraged that she should dare repel your advances in that fashion," he said.

"You were determined to have your way with her and so you overpowered her and raped her where she stood.

"Then you attacked her again because she was threatening to call the police, and in the process you strangled her."

Adrian Bayley | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Adrian Ernest Bayley was sentenced to life in prison with a 35 year non-parole period in Australia on June 20, 2013 for the rape and murder of Jill Meagher, 29.

murderpedia.org

I have no words

 

[Longmembrey]

Could it be murder if he hit her then let her die by not seeking medical attention?

Yes possibly, but more likely manslaughter or culpable driving

 

[Longmembrey]

At a guess assault or grievous bodily harm? I found this: Assault causing death - If you assault someone and they die, you can be charged with assault causing death. You can be charged with this offence even if you didn’t intend for the person to die and didn’t think that your actions could cause their death. An example is a ‘one punch’ assault that causes the victim to fall backwards, hit their head and die. The maximum penalty for assault causing death is 20 years jail. https://www.education.wa.edu.au/dl/v1vv1np

I don't think that is even an offence in Vic.

We just call that manslaughter

 

[31550]

Drink/drug driving. If you test positive your licence is confiscated on the spot.

That is not the law in Victoria, sorry.

 

[MsTeschmacher]

They'd do that in Perth.

Vehicles are not impounded for drink driving in WA. Currently can be impounded for "hooning" and reckless driving offences & for those who continually flout suspension but it usually takes several offences of unlicensed driving before the court acts.

 

[MsTeschmacher]

That is not the law in Victoria, sorry.

Or WA.

 

[Run n Spread]

That is not the law in Victoria, sorry.

What is the law?
I mean it's the road safety act but in terms of application.
If you or I blow 0.12 or test positive for meth than the police will absolutely take your licence possibly impound your vehicle and charge you on summons. They are hardly going to let you drive home.
Under what circumstances do you keep your licence?
Law has been updated in vic