Play Nice Scott Morrison 2.0 - How Long? Part 8 - Lose Unit. Game Over, Bulldozer. Cont in Part 9

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Part 5 is here:

Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

Continued in Part 6. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-the-coal-man.1290651/

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Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 6 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

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Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 7 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

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Play Nice - Scott Morrison in the Multiverse of Ministries.

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/ Part 6 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-prosperity-theology-the-coal-man-his-bootlickers.1290651/ Part 7 is here...

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[DaRick]

it could allow Morrison to break from the miasma of lies, empty announcements, cheap stunts and intra party chaos.

it could allow a reset as he could wriggle away from the messes and the transparent wedges and present a “Scott Morrison, PM” image.

we hope he doesn’t pull it off and it may not be sufficient anyway. but frankly, only a circuit breaker of this nature could save him.

The problem is that ScoMo is unpopular, people broadly don't trust him, and that unpopularity appears to be baked in. Plus he screws up too much and is too unstable a personality. Howard was 'grey' enough, and competent/stable enough, to play the statesman effectively, whereas I don't think ScoMo is.

IMO the only way that changes is if Russia levels New York with an ICBM, which won't be happening.

 

[DaRick]

I guess my point is that Albo wouldn't be able to save more lives from Omicron at this point (though maybe you think he could have)

Well, not at this exact point in time, no.

That said, I doubt that he would have just sat back and let er' rip, ScoMo/Perrotet style.

ScoMo's problem was not just that OMICRON spread; it was that his approach was complacent and incompetent, with the RATs debacle really putting the cherry on top of the crap cake in that regard.

 

[Schneebly11]

I can already see the polls turning atm …makes me sick that a war will save him

Morrison is going on the attack. He's painting himself as a wartime leader in a time of crisis:

‘Full-scale invasion’ of Ukraine ‘likely’ in 24 hours: Australia begins Russia sanctions

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has revealed a “full-scale invasion” of Ukraine is likely within 24 hours as he announces a burst of sanctions in response to Russia’s aggression. “The invasion of Ukraine has already effectively begun,” Mr Morrison said on Wednesday. “This invasion is...

www.news.com.au

Remember, he fell in popularity in the bushfires but then rose at the start of Covid. It was only in 2021 that the Libs polling numbers fell as Covid dragged on. Morrison knows that Tampa and then 9/11 saved Howard. Now the pandemic, and all the negative connotations he gained from that, has subsided he is going to use national security to paint himself as a "Decisive leader", standing up to Putin and the media will fall for it.

I think there will be an inevitable turnaround in the Liberal's polling from now on.

 

[HPKS]

Morrison is going on the attack. He's painting himself as a wartime leader in a time of crisis:

‘Full-scale invasion’ of Ukraine ‘likely’ in 24 hours: Australia begins Russia sanctions

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has revealed a “full-scale invasion” of Ukraine is likely within 24 hours as he announces a burst of sanctions in response to Russia’s aggression. “The invasion of Ukraine has already effectively begun,” Mr Morrison said on Wednesday. “This invasion is...

www.news.com.au

Remember, he fell in popularity in the bushfires but then rose at the start of Covid. It was only in 2021 that the Libs polling numbers fell as Covid dragged on. Morrison knows that Tampa and then 9/11 saved Howard. Now the pandemic, and all the negative connotations he gained from that, has subsided he is going to use national security to paint himself as a "Decisive leader", standing up to Putin and the media will fall for it.

I think there will be an inevitable turnaround in the Liberal's polling from now on.

It’s a different world now. A lot are conditioned to be selfish people so cost of living & housing affordability is way above the care for anyone else let alone any other country.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Morrison is going on the attack. He's painting himself as a wartime leader in a time of crisis:

‘Full-scale invasion’ of Ukraine ‘likely’ in 24 hours: Australia begins Russia sanctions

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has revealed a “full-scale invasion” of Ukraine is likely within 24 hours as he announces a burst of sanctions in response to Russia’s aggression. “The invasion of Ukraine has already effectively begun,” Mr Morrison said on Wednesday. “This invasion is...

www.news.com.au

Remember, he fell in popularity in the bushfires but then rose at the start of Covid. It was only in 2021 that the Libs polling numbers fell as Covid dragged on. Morrison knows that Tampa and then 9/11 saved Howard. Now the pandemic, and all the negative connotations he gained from that, has subsided he is going to use national security to paint himself as a "Decisive leader", standing up to Putin and the media will fall for it.

I think there will be an inevitable turnaround in the Liberal's polling from now on.

The thing is he's done thus huffing and puffing stuff in the past and it was nothing but bluster.

He's had to deal with multiple crisis and he's balls it up every time.

 

[DaRick]

Morrison is going on the attack. He's painting himself as a wartime leader in a time of crisis:

‘Full-scale invasion’ of Ukraine ‘likely’ in 24 hours: Australia begins Russia sanctions

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has revealed a “full-scale invasion” of Ukraine is likely within 24 hours as he announces a burst of sanctions in response to Russia’s aggression. “The invasion of Ukraine has already effectively begun,” Mr Morrison said on Wednesday. “This invasion is...

www.news.com.au

Remember, he fell in popularity in the bushfires but then rose at the start of Covid. It was only in 2021 that the Libs polling numbers fell as Covid dragged on. Morrison knows that Tampa and then 9/11 saved Howard. Now the pandemic, and all the negative connotations he gained from that, has subsided he is going to use national security to paint himself as a "Decisive leader", standing up to Putin and the media will fall for it.

I think there will be an inevitable turnaround in the Liberal's polling from now on.

COVID was a clear and present danger, and the LNP handled it pretty reasonably during 2020 - definitely not perfectly, and they were clearly following the states' lead, but well enough.

Similarly, an Islamic terrorist attack was a clear and present danger, because it had already happened to an ally. A Russian attack is not - not unless an ICBM is launched New York's way. Plus, as much as many LNP supporters will it to be so, ScoMo isn't John Howard. He doesn't have that 'grey', low-key personality, nor the base competence, that allows him to come off as a statesman in trying times.

Instead, he combines Rudd's focus on marketing/image/spin (taken up to eleven) + Latham's brash pushiness + McMahon's self-serving nature. He's just too unstable to keep up the statesman act for long, plus people simply don't trust him. Although his opponents made great play RE Howard's dishonesty, he still came off as more genuine and stable than ScoMo does because of his more low-key nature.

It was Higgins/Porter/Women's March + the botched vaccine rollout exacerbating Delta's impact + his incompetent response to OMICRON that hurt him during 2021/22, not just COVID dragging on.

I do see an avenue for the LNP winning this election, but that depends on the state of the economy + the pandemic + the ALP's campaign + whether ScoMo is still in charge (his unpopularity is baked in so he'll be a drag on their vote come election time IMO). I can also see a scenario where the ALP get a positive 2PP but can't swing enough seats to form government.

 

[Off The Couch]

I don’t know if Australians really have the stomach for another war after the Afghanistan fiasco

We all know he’s only beating the war drums because there’s always money to be made and for the most part voters stay loyal to the sitting government because “they need some certainty In these uncertain times”

 

[Schneebly11]

The thing is he's done thus huffing and puffing stuff in the past and it was nothing but bluster.

He's had to deal with multiple crisis and he's balls it up every time.

There's not much to balls up though.

He will huff and puff and act like a strongman, and there won't be any consequence to Australia. However if Putin backs off then Morrison can claim that as because of his pressure on the country, hiherto Scomo has just solved a crisis. The media will shower him with praise and say how "Weak at the Knees-y" would've have kow towed to the Russians just like he does with the Chinese.

See I remember the Howard years. Although now it seems everyone loved him at the time he was lampooned and criticised a lot. Everyone thought he was sure to lose in 2001. Then Tampa, and he got a kick, but the real helping hand was 9/11. I think the Libs shot up 5% after that. All he had to do was announce Australia was going to be a prime player in this new war and the public fell for it. Scomo will attempt to do the same, and the media will play along.

 

[Schneebly11]

I don’t know if Australians really have the stomach for another war after the Afghanistan fiasco

We all know he’s only beating the war drums because there’s always money to be made and for the most part voters stay loyal to the sitting government because “they need some certainty In these uncertain times”

Why not? It's not their kids being sent to die. Australia will send "support and logistics" forces to "defend freedom in the world" and 99% of Aussies couldn't care.

But doing so makes Aussies feel safe. So they vote for the person who made them "feel safe"

Don't get me wrong I hate Scummo and his corrupt mates as much as anyone with a thinking brain, but the problem is the public for the most part don't think and usually just react. He's going to take advantage of this to the max.

If it fizzles out, Putin doesn't go further than Donbas and the world forgets within a week or so then it won't help him too much, but if Vlad pushes into Ukrainian held territory and large scale fighting breaks out which will dominate media headlines for two months then Scomo will be laughing all the way to an election victory.

 

[Cooldude]

What happens at Ukraine has nothing to do with us, but knowing the Libs, if they are reelected, they're gonna be the US's lapdogs and do something stupid like commit troops

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

If the UK and US go to war over Russia/Ukraine, then so too does Australia.

That isn't a Scomo thing. We'd equally be doing it under Albo.

Now whether the UK and US should go to war over Russia/Ukraine is separate question.

 

[Pie eyed]

First six letters to the SMH this morning.

Seems only Gary Bigelow of Teralba is determined to be on the wrong side of history.

Isn’t it amazing to see tech billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes putting his substantial money behind his belief in green power and stronger emissions reduction targets (“Mogul in bid to shut down coal”, February 21)? This is obviously the way we can overcome the backward vision of the federal government clinging to the coal-burning past. We will have to depend on people power (forgive the pun) to do what our elected government refuses to do – to respond to the current emergency. Pauline Paton, Centennial Park

What a great example of “can-do capitalism”. Scott Morrison and Angus Taylor should be delighted that Mike Cannon-Brookes has heeded their call. Right? Brendan Jones, Annandale

Cannon-Brookes illustrates the chaos of our unguided transition to renewables, without proactive government policy. The closure of coal power stations has been suddenly announced or foreshadowed, surprising unprepared communities. Investors such as Cannon-Brookes are setting the direction for the renewables transition, despite threats of government intervention, ironically from the Coalition, which stands for so-called free markets. Federal and state governments are encouraging more fossil fuel exports despite the prohibitions of the international climate agreements. Solar and wind resources are being privatised wholesale, without control. We need to stop such chaos with a government energy policy that catches up with the rest of the world so the Paris Agreement targets can be reached. The Canberra bubble must be punctured and its immature narcissists released to go out to pasture, replaced by people who care about our future. Barry Laing, Castle Cove

If Cannon-Brookes does buy AGL, I would buy AGL shares and shift my retail account to it to help with shutting down coal power generation. Smart move by Cannon-Brookes and Brookfield. Keith Sloan, Ballina

Sure. Close all the coal-fired plants. Let’s all live with rolling blackouts. This attempt by climate activists makes zero investment sense and must be seen by government as an attempt to undermine our economic stability. The Eraring decision highlights a major shortfall in energy policy. The government needs to prohibit the closure of power plants without a legally enforceable plan to replace the energy generation capacity with baseload-capable facilities ahead of the closure date. It is unacceptable for these behemoths to be allowed to exit power generation and, as AGL is doing, invest in green power sources that don’t guarantee supply. If nothing is done to force organisations down this path, we will meet net zero early by simply turning off the lights. Gary Bigelow, Teralba

While our desperate government struggles towards the election, real statesmen such as Cannon-Brookes and NSW Treasurer Matt Kean are actively building the pathway to responsible climate and energy action. Fortunately, despite the government’s disgraceful performance, we have a few leaders who are realising the dream of a “green superpower” economy for Australia. All power to them. Rob Firth, Cremorne Point

Gary is a regular contributor to numerous media "letters" columns, and for what it's worth he actually is pretty balanced.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

They think a free market is one that can hire & fire at will & gets taxpayer support for the companies that support the LNP.

Thats the LNP free market for you.

Absolutely. A million miles from the classical definition of a free market.

 

[Financialpanther]

If the UK and US go to war over Russia/Ukraine, then so too does Australia.

That isn't a Scomo thing. We'd equally be doing it under Albo.

Now whether the UK and US should go to war over Russia/Ukraine is separate question.

I guess the question is the size of our commitment in that case. I suspect it is more likely to be a few specialists here and there, nothing too scalable.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

There's not much to balls up though.

He will huff and puff and act like a strongman, and there won't be any consequence to Australia. However if Putin backs off then Morrison can claim that as because of his pressure on the country, hiherto Scomo has just solved a crisis. The media will shower him with praise and say how "Weak at the Knees-y" would've have kow towed to the Russians just like he does with the Chinese.

See I remember the Howard years. Although now it seems everyone loved him at the time he was lampooned and criticised a lot. Everyone thought he was sure to lose in 2001. Then Tampa, and he got a kick, but the real helping hand was 9/11. I think the Libs shot up 5% after that. All he had to do was announce Australia was going to be a prime player in this new war and the public fell for it. Scomo will attempt to do the same, and the media will play along.

Yeah but Russia invading part of Ukraine is not terrorists flying jets into New York skyscrapers.

 

[HPKS]

Why not? It's not their kids being sent to die. Australia will send "support and logistics" forces to "defend freedom in the world" and 99% of Aussies couldn't care.

But doing so makes Aussies feel safe. So they vote for the person who made them "feel safe"

Don't get me wrong I hate Scummo and his corrupt mates as much as anyone with a thinking brain, but the problem is the public for the most part don't think and usually just react. He's going to take advantage of this to the max.

If it fizzles out, Putin doesn't go further than Donbas and the world forgets within a week or so then it won't help him too much, but if Vlad pushes into Ukrainian held territory and large scale fighting breaks out which will dominate media headlines for two months then Scomo will be laughing all the way to an election victory.

Msm are not and will never be again our main source of information. His chest puffing will be highlighted continuously and his continual failure during the pandemic highlighting he’s actually the last person we want in charge during a time of crisis. Howard though had no such issues. He actually guided Australia through our national issue of gun laws so had runs on the board. The only runs Scumo has is the one in his dacks. He might get a slight bump from the older Australians who for some weird reason loves sending other peoples children to war but all in all at best a very very small bump but at worst it highlights as has been shown over the last two years Scumo is the last person you want in charge during a national time of crisis, which tbh I don’t think it is.

 

[HPKS]

Yeah but Russia invading part of Ukraine is not terrorists flying jets into New York skyscrapers.

Exactly!! And it’s exactly what the average person will think.

 

[DaRick]

Why not? It's not their kids being sent to die. Australia will send "support and logistics" forces to "defend freedom in the world" and 99% of Aussies couldn't care.

But doing so makes Aussies feel safe. So they vote for the person who made them "feel safe"

Don't get me wrong I hate Scummo and his corrupt mates as much as anyone with a thinking brain, but the problem is the public for the most part don't think and usually just react. He's going to take advantage of this to the max.

If it fizzles out, Putin doesn't go further than Donbas and the world forgets within a week or so then it won't help him too much, but if Vlad pushes into Ukrainian held territory and large scale fighting breaks out which will dominate media headlines for two months then Scomo will be laughing all the way to an election victory.

I think the most likely outcome is in-between.

Putin secures Donetsk/Lugansk, beats back the opposition for a bit, then stops short of Kiev and goes back. That way, he makes his point while incurring minimal casualties and averting a protracted, bloody conflict. I call this the 'Georgia template'.

Although Georgia's a much smaller country, that war lasted less than a fortnight. I don't think Putin will want to spend more than a month fighting Ukraine (too many casualties), so the war won't last long enough to help ScoMo, and I just don't think he can exploit much political capital from it anyway. It's a foreign policy issue much more than it is a national security issue.

If the UK and US go to war over Russia/Ukraine, then so too does Australia.

That isn't a Scomo thing. We'd equally be doing it under Albo.

Now whether the UK and US should go to war over Russia/Ukraine is separate question.

Won't happen.

They didn't over Georgia, and they're definitely not going to risk a direct shooting war with a nuclear power.

 

[JackOutback]

Morrison can claim to be a steady pair of hands in a crisis, but Albanese can simply respond that every crisis during his term (bushfires, COVID) has been a fvrk-up. The steady hands argument only works if you've shown a basic level of competence.

 

[HPKS]

I think the most likely outcome is in-between.

Putin secures Donetsk/Lugansk, beats back the opposition for a bit, then stops short of Kiev and goes back. That way, he makes his point while incurring minimal casualties and averting a protracted, bloody conflict. I call this the 'Georgia template'.

Although Georgia's a much smaller country, that war lasted less than a fortnight. I don't think Putin will want to spend more than a month fighting Ukraine (too many casualties), so the war won't last long enough to help ScoMo, and I just don't think he can exploit much political capital from it anyway. It's a foreign policy issue much more than it is a national security issue.



Won't happen.

They didn't over Georgia, and they're definitely not going to risk a direct shooting war with a nuclear power.

Yep fully agree. It’ll be over quickly and lastly the US & UK are not taking us by the leash into a war with a nuclear superpower. The only ones wanting that are the rwnj who can’t decide if they’ll go clockwise or anti clockwise when they get the chance to rim job scumo.

 

[HPKS]

Morrison can claim to be a steady pair of hands in a crisis, but Albanese can simply respond that every crisis during his term (bushfires, COVID) has been a fvrk-up. The steady hands argument only works if you've shown a basic level of competence.

Exactly!! Howard navigated gun law reform wtf has Scumo navigated? The international airport terminal on the way to Hawaii is about it

 

[kickazz]

Morrison can claim to be a steady pair of hands in a crisis, but Albanese can simply respond that every crisis during his term (bushfires, COVID) has been a fvrk-up. The steady hands argument only works if you've shown a basic level of competence.

Hand only steady because his thumb was stuck up his arse?

 

[Burro]

Exactly!! And it’s exactly what the average person will think.

The average person most likely thinks that the Ukraine is part of Russia. It was part of the Soviet union. This is all about NATO Putin hates it and he wants to regain the land. If people are really interested they need to go back to after WW2 when everything was divided. There will be little or no interest by the average Australian. Let me know when Morrison starts cancelling visas and putting Russians into detention......

 

[HPKS]

The average person most likely thinks that the Ukraine is part of Russia. It was part of the Soviet union. This is all about NATO Putin hates it and he wants to regain the land. If people are really interested they need to go back to after WW2 when everything was divided. There will be little or no interest by the average Australian. Let me know when Morrison starts cancelling visas and putting Russians into detention......

It’s a very different world now. When Howard gained office everyone sat down at 6 to watch these things on the news. Now people look at a tweet and move on very quickly as it doesn’t and never will effect them. People are more worried about the price of petrol, trying to pay the rent, getting the kids to school etc than some country at the other end of the planet.

 

[DaRick]

The average person most likely thinks that the Ukraine is part of Russia. It was part of the Soviet union. This is all about NATO Putin hates it and he wants to regain the land. If people are really interested they need to go back to after WW2 when everything was divided. There will be little or no interest by the average Australian. Let me know when Morrison starts cancelling visas and putting Russians into detention......

He'll screw that up too; just you watch.