Play Nice Scott Morrison 2.0 - How Long? Part 8 - Lose Unit. Game Over, Bulldozer. Cont in Part 9

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Part 5 is here:

Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

Continued in Part 6. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-the-coal-man.1290651/

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Part 6 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 6 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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Part 7 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 7 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

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Part 9 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison in the Multiverse of Ministries.

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/ Part 6 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-prosperity-theology-the-coal-man-his-bootlickers.1290651/ Part 7 is here...

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[Tyberious Funk]

mate the media is the problem is like saying that Labor are perfect

It really isn't. The proposition that the media is the problem is completely unrelated to the whether Labor are (or aren't) perfect. No party is perfect... I suspect even the most rusted-on supporter would accept that.

they aren't

its not every single media outlet going the ALP either

its the majority sure but its not like they never go anyone else and its not like Labor don't do a lot of stupid shit to shoot themselves

its not an either or proposition

the media can be a problem and the ALP could be doing things to deal with it better than they are

See... you even acknowledge it yourself. The media can be a problem AND Labor could be doing better.

However, the Liberals could also be doing better. A lot, LOT better. I'm trying really, really hard to be objective here, but from what I can see;

1. They've screwed up on climate change, leading to the rise of Teal independents, putting in doubt some of their safest seats
2. They messed up on the pandemic -- made significant mistakes on the vaccine rollout, did nothing on quarantine, screwed up on age care and blew billions of dollars on a poorly managed Jobkeeper scheme
3. They have a track record of speeding billions of dollars in pork-barrelling
4. Refused to implement a proper anti-corruption commission and have actively sought to cover up improper behaviour of MPs
5. Oversaw an economy with rampant inflation, stagnant wage growth, out-of-control housing and now... increasing interest rates.
6. They also have a leader that appears to be universally disliked, even within the ranks of his own party. It's even at the point where he openly accepts he's not liked and is begging for people to vote for him anyway
7. They've run a campaign that mostly consists of highly controlled, staged media stunts involving Morrison visiting shopping centres, or pubs, posing for publicity shots and pretending to be a "normal Australian guy"

... and yet the majority of the mainstream media still fawns over Morrison, with vomit-inducing puff-pieces.

Yes, Labor have made mistakes. But the ledger doesn't look square to me.

 

[Paul Kersey]

It looks like all the josh posters around camberwell boys grammar have been defaced.

He's got slaves walking Glenferrie Road with signs attached to their body.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

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Non-sequitur, but every time I see Sussan Ley's name, I'm reminded that she changed the spelling because she believes in numerology.

Our Minister for. the Environment.

Believes in numerology.

The portfolio responsible for climate change, arguably the single most important issue in humankind, is held by someone that believes in numerology and who changed the spelling of her name because "if you add the numbers that match the letters in your name you can change your personality".

No wonder we are indelibly ****ed.

 

[GreyWind]

Non-sequitur, but every time I see Sussan Ley's name, I'm reminded that she changed the spelling because she believes in numerology.

Our Minister for. the Environment.

Believes in numerology.

The portfolio responsible for climate change, arguably the single most important issue in humankind, is held by someone that believes in numerology and who changed the spelling of her name because "if you add the numbers that match the letters in your name you can change your personality".

No wonder we are indelibly f’ed.

It's one of those situations where if it was a TV show it would be knocked back as too far-fetched and unbelievable.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

It's one of those situations where if it was a TV show it would be knocked back as too far-fetched and unbelievable.

I just think that the media, every single time her name is mentioned, should say something like...

"And here to talk about the governments latest climate change policies is Sussan Ley, Minister for the Environment, and a numerologist who believes that by changing the spelling of her name her life will be more exciting."

Every time.

 

[nut]

Shit … Morrison just convinced me … I’ve seen the light. Yep why risk it !!!!

Why risk it!!!

Because the LNP have been flawless …

 

[Xtreme]

Shit … Morrison just convinced me … I’ve seen the light. Yep why risk it !!!!

Why risk it!!!

Because the LNP have been flawless …

Greatest performing country the past years!

 

[GreyWind]

Greatest performing country the past years!

In what?

 

[nut]

Greatest performing country the past years!

Yer 100% … I’ve seen the light!!!! I believe scomo now.

 

[nut]

In what?

In saying we have a strong economy

 

[Xtreme]

In what?

Economic reform
COVID Management
Business acumen

They've got it all

 

[nut]

Economic reform
COVID Management
Business acumen

They've got it all

Economic reform? You mean Slashed penalty rates?

COVID management ?? You mean blaming the states?

Business acumen? You mean taking labors idea of a job keeper? missing 60billion in cost estimates? Giving away 38 billion to profitable businesses? ??

Yep why risk !!! Vote 1 scomo

 

[Xtreme]

They did so well in covid they didn't get vaccines on time or order enough RATs for the general populace.
You're a ******* idiot.

Hmmm I think Australia did pretty well lower cases and lower deaths compared to many other countries around the world

Oh and as for your cheapshot at the end of your post, be more mature and play the ball - not the man

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

What economic reform? Tax cuts to the wealthy and handing out billions to already profitable companies isn't economic reform, while also having stagnate wages.

They did so well in covid they didn't get vaccines on time or order enough RATs for the general populace.

Business acumen? fu** me scraping an already low bottom of the barrel.

You're a ******* idiot.

That guy is an anti-vax, anti-science parasite.

 

[nut]

Hmmm I think Australia did pretty well lower cases and lower deaths compared to many other countries around the world

Oh and as for your cheapshot at the end of your post, be more mature and play the ball - not the man

The reason why we did so well was because of the States.
It was prolonged because of Scomo’s shitness…

But I agree why risk it!!!

 

[Maddo11]

Economic reform
COVID Management
Business acumen

They've got it all

What economic reform? Tax cuts to the wealthy and handing out billions to already profitable companies isn't economic reform, while also having stagnate wages.

They did so well in covid they didn't get vaccines on time or order enough RATs for the general populace.

Business acumen? fu** me scraping an already low bottom of the barrel.

You're a ******* idiot.

Economic reform? You mean Slashed penalty rates?

COVID management ?? You mean blaming the states?

Business acumen? You mean taking labors idea of a job keeper? missing 60billion in cost estimates? Giving away 38 billion to profitable businesses? ??

Yep why risk !!! Vote 1 scomo

Don't bother with them , they share their braincell with their family. Sunday is not their day with it

 

[GreyWind]

Hmmm I think Australia did pretty well lower cases and lower deaths compared to many other countries around the world

Oh and as for your cheapshot at the end of your post, be more mature and play the ball - not the man

Off the back of the States doing the heavy lifting. Currently sitting 17th Worldwide for total case numbers, deaths we are doing well in with no thanks to the Federal LNP.

Nah you're beyond that, act like an idiot and get treated like one.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It really isn't. The proposition that the media is the problem is completely unrelated to the whether Labor are (or aren't) perfect. No party is perfect... I suspect even the most rusted-on supporter would accept that.

Would they? With Labor diehards, at least those on Twitter and Facebook, I never see them accepting that Labor have made mistakes. They're always very keen to blame someone else for their electoral failures. Usually it's the media or the Greens.

I have sympathy for the media argument, as it's very clear that Murdoch, Costello and Stokes media are all hostile to Labor and treat the LNP with kid gloves. However, I also don't think it's an insurmountable barrier. There's a lot Labor can do to sell their own messages better, both through established media and alternative sources, like smaller online media as well as social media. But I don't see them doing this. They don't pick obvious popular policies, don't stay on message and don't deliver short and snappy slogans with vigour the way Tony Abbott did.

And of course, a headline grabber like Trump (and to a lesser extent, Abbott) proved that one can overcome an unsympathetic media if they simply can't afford to ignore you. But that would require a leader prepared to be a true attack dog, and Labor don't have a figure like that. Julian Hill is probably the closest, but he's nowhere near the leadership.

I don't have sympathy for the Greens argument. It reeks of scapegoating. The usual line is that the public are scared off voting for Labor because of a perception that they're in cahoots with the Greens. But I think this is largely a perception of conservatives rather than the public at large. And even if it is the perception of the public at large, that's not the Greens' fault, it's Labor's fault for not either 1. Making the distinctions between themselves and the Greens on policy more clear, 2. Educating the public on why minority government and compromise is not a bad thing, or 3. Fighting fire with fire by scaring suburbanites on how the backwards, deranged Nationals led by the Beetrooter are controlling the Liberal Party, stealing our tax dollars to piss away on useless projects and making sure we give our children a dying planet. I think that third one is a real missed opportunity, as attack is often the best form of defence.

The other tired line they roll out about the Greens is them not voting for the CPRS in 2009. This leads to them defending a bad policy that most people don't remember, and makes them seem to have total amnesia about the Gillard government and the price on carbon negotiated between themselves and the Greens. Really they're better off using this as a stick to beat the LNP with, that their climate vandalism has cost us a whole decade in adapting to the new technology future. But those diehards have to have their scapegoats, as acknowledging mistakes is too painful.

However, the Liberals could also be doing better. A lot, LOT better.

Few would argue with that outside of Liberal rusted-ons. There's more than enough ammunition there for Labor to be on a double digit lead in polls right now, but they aren't. It's worth examining why. Part of it is due to the media being biased, part of it is due to Labor being held to higher standards than the Liberals due to representing change to the status quo, and part of it is mistakes of Labor's own making.

 

[Xtreme]

Nah you're beyond that, act like an idiot and get treated like one.

Will love to get your reaction when Albo loses the unloseable

 

[GreyWind]

Will love to get your reaction when Albo loses the unloseable

So close, but I've been saying for at least a year that Morrison will win.

 

[western royboy]

Would they? With Labor diehards, at least those on Twitter and Facebook, I never see them accepting that Labor have made mistakes. They're always very keen to blame someone else for their electoral failures. Usually it's the media or the Greens.

I have sympathy for the media argument, as it's very clear that Murdoch, Costello and Stokes media are all hostile to Labor and treat the LNP with kid gloves. However, I also don't think it's an insurmountable barrier. There's a lot Labor can do to sell their own messages better, both through established media and alternative sources, like smaller online media as well as social media. But I don't see them doing this. They don't pick obvious popular policies, don't stay on message and don't deliver short and snappy slogans with vigour the way Tony Abbott did.

And of course, a headline grabber like Trump (and to a lesser extent, Abbott) proved that one can overcome an unsympathetic media if they simply can't afford to ignore you. But that would require a leader prepared to be a true attack dog, and Labor don't have a figure like that. Julian Hill is probably the closest, but he's nowhere near the leadership.

I don't have sympathy for the Greens argument. It reeks of scapegoating. The usual line is that the public are scared off voting for Labor because of a perception that they're in cahoots with the Greens. But I think this is largely a perception of conservatives rather than the public at large. And even if it is the perception of the public at large, that's not the Greens' fault, it's Labor's fault for not either 1. Making the distinctions between themselves and the Greens on policy more clear, 2. Educating the public on why minority government and compromise is not a bad thing, or 3. Fighting fire with fire by scaring suburbanites on how the backwards, deranged Nationals led by the Beetrooter are controlling the Liberal Party, stealing our tax dollars to piss away on useless projects and making sure we give our children a dying planet. I think that third one is a real missed opportunity, as attack is often the best form of defence.

The other tired line they roll out about the Greens is them not voting for the CPRS in 2009. This leads to them defending a bad policy that most people don't remember, and makes them seem to have total amnesia about the Gillard government and the price on carbon negotiated between themselves and the Greens. Really they're better off using this as a stick to beat the LNP with, that their climate vandalism has cost us a whole decade in adapting to the new technology future. But those diehards have to have their scapegoats, as acknowledging mistakes is too painful.


Few would argue with that outside of Liberal rusted-ons. There's more than enough ammunition there for Labor to be on a double digit lead in polls right now, but they aren't. It's worth examining why. Part of it is due to the media being biased, part of it is due to Labor being held to higher standards than the Liberals due to representing change to the status quo, and part of it is mistakes of Labor's own making.

Yeah / Nah

Re: The Greens I think you would find that most people that identify as left voters would actually sit closer to green territory than ALP territory if they did the Vote Compass thingy. But outside of dedicated Greens Voters they are a minority party because their views are considered / portrayed as “extreme” and they just roll out Lidia Thorpe and bingo! No guesses for who leads that. But let’s totally ignore the ideological fools like Christensen, Abetz or the good family men like the Beetrooter, Tudge, Porter and co. Elections are won by the swinging voters who sit in the middle. Want to lose votes? Throw your hat in with the extremist nutters and watch your vote fall. It’s classic reactionary/ negative stereotyping but the average punter is a dumb campaigner who doesn’t think too much about it and follows along.

I’m totally against the way this election is being played, but it’s being played the safest way for the ALP, at least they have learnt from the last election where they actually had a go and putting up a few policies allowing the Marketer to run a negative campaign. Morrison is totally ****ing useless, his cabinet is/was full of some of the most disappointing humans ever to hold public office. In any other time most of them would have been hounded out of politics due the scandals and **** ups, but now here it’s “play on”.

I haven’t mentioned the media.

 

[thirtytwo]

It really isn't. The proposition that the media is the problem is completely unrelated to the whether Labor are (or aren't) perfect. No party is perfect... I suspect even the most rusted-on supporter would accept that.




See... you even acknowledge it yourself. The media can be a problem AND Labor could be doing better.

However, the Liberals could also be doing better. A lot, LOT better. I'm trying really, really hard to be objective here, but from what I can see;

1. They've screwed up on climate change, leading to the rise of Teal independents, putting in doubt some of their safest seats
2. They messed up on the pandemic -- made significant mistakes on the vaccine rollout, did nothing on quarantine, screwed up on age care and blew billions of dollars on a poorly managed Jobkeeper scheme
3. They have a track record of speeding billions of dollars in pork-barrelling
4. Refused to implement a proper anti-corruption commission and have actively sought to cover up improper behaviour of MPs
5. Oversaw an economy with rampant inflation, stagnant wage growth, out-of-control housing and now... increasing interest rates.
6. They also have a leader that appears to be universally disliked, even within the ranks of his own party. It's even at the point where he openly accepts he's not liked and is begging for people to vote for him anyway
7. They've run a campaign that mostly consists of highly controlled, staged media stunts involving Morrison visiting shopping centres, or pubs, posing for publicity shots and pretending to be a "normal Australian guy"

... and yet the majority of the mainstream media still fawns over Morrison, with vomit-inducing puff-pieces.

Yes, Labor have made mistakes. But the ledger doesn't look square to me.

This.

 

[Juddism]

So close, but I've been saying for at least a year that Morrison will win.

If you’re correct then there is no place for any polling company in the future. Surely, there cannot be a 14 point advantage to the ALP and they still lose?

 

[GreyWind]

If you’re correct then there is no place for any polling company in the future. Surely, there cannot be a 14 point advantage to the ALP and they still lose?

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong and will gladly admit I'm wrong if the ALP are elected.

I have no faith in the general public to have been paying attention for the past 3 years and when it gets to the ballot box people's self interest will kick in and they'll vote for the LNP as they believe the better economic managers myth.

 

[Sun Ra]

In what?

Pork barrelling, nepotism, and corruption, and so on.