Society/Culture Shooting attack in Vegas

[ShanDog]

Why have we not seen footage of the incident, assuming it happened in hallway where there would surely be cameras. Correct me if im wrong but i havent even seen a picture of the security guard in the media yet?

Because if it's CCTV, the police aren't just going to upload it to their '****ed up s**t that's happened' channel on YouTube/Live Leak for the world to look at. That's not how they do business.

 

[Chief]

Because if it's CCTV, the police aren't just going to upload it to their '****** up s**t that's happened' channel on YouTube/Live Leak for the world to look at. That's not how they do business.

Make your own at AFL Memes

 

[Kurve]

Sorry what does that last sentence mean?

When the cops got to the 35th floor, they didn't know a security guard had been shot seventeen minutes prior.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Sorry what does that last sentence mean?

I think shellyg is referring to the recent information that there was a disconnect between the security and the police. Apparently, the police were unaware that a security guard had already been shot in the vicinity of the gunman.

 

[ShanDog]

Make your own at AFL Memes

I could confirm, but then you'd have to take an unplanned and unannounced 'vacation' to the gulag Fiji.

 

[Chief]

Yep. Which is why I don't really understand how 200 rounds was sprayed through a door in the hotels hallway, hitting a lone security guard who stayed put for another seventeen minutes until the cops got there. Cops who incidentally, were surprised to see him posted on the floor.

OK sorry I am having trouble connecting this in with people knowing what a gunshot sounds like - maybe I am seeing conspiracy theorists everywhere?

Or is this a thread that doesn't need picking at?

 

[Kurve]

OK sorry I am having trouble connecting this in with people knowing what a gunshot sounds like - maybe I am seeing conspiracy theorists everywhere?

Or is this a thread that doesn't need picking at?

I was responding to ShanDog a page back ... okay shuffling back over to the conspiracy board now

 

[ShanDog]

I was responding to ShanDog a page back ... okay shuffling back over to the conspiracy board now

I was also not sure what the point you were making was. Is it that given the gun-ownership and knowledge levels in a place like Vegas, the security guard being killed should have been reported rather than police 'stumbling onto him' well after the fact?

 

[Toump Ass]

Fair point, but either way you’re going to become pretty aware of SWAT being outside your hotel room even if you’re shooting a million bullets.

If you’ve got time to blow your brains out you’ve got time to check if you’re about to get taken down.

Maybe the cameras were offline. Maybe they were s**t cameras anyway. Maybe all the noise around him- alarms going off, people screaming, etc. made him think the game was up.

It was up to 11 minutes he was shooting- relatively speaking that's a ******* long time and as I said before, I imagine time moves a little differently when you're balls deep in a murder spree.

I don't really think he grew a conscience. We'll never know though.

 

[King Brown]

Because if it's CCTV, the police aren't just going to upload it to their '****** up s**t that's happened' channel on YouTube/Live Leak for the world to look at. That's not how they do business.

There's no video of him arriving at the hotel, checking in, carrying his bags, etc.

We saw Mohammad Atta.

 

[ShanDog]

There's no video of him arriving at the hotel, checking in, carrying his bags, etc.

We saw Mohammad Atta.

There's no video or they haven't released any?

 

[King Brown]

There's no video or they haven't released any?

Six / half dozen.

 

[ShanDog]

Six / half dozen.

Ah right. Was just after clarification of whether some authority had actually said that there's no video.

 

[kane249]

Six / half dozen.

It would be vision of him going up an elevator with large bags / suitcases multiple times over a few days. It's hardly exciting stuff.

 

[ShanDog]

It would be vision of him going up an elevator with large bags / suitcases multiple times over a few days. It's hardly exciting stuff.

True but it would disprove teleportation/time traveller conspiracy theories. That's always a good thing.

 

[King Brown]

It would be vision of him going up an elevator with large bags / suitcases multiple times over a few days. It's hardly exciting stuff.

Have you watched the news lately? This kind of "watch the killer check in with multiple bags" would fill 24 hours on most cable news channels.

As I said, we had footage of Mohammad Atta going through security within a week of September 11.

 

[Chief]

Have you watched the news lately? This kind of "watch the killer check in with multiple bags" would fill 24 hours on most cable news channels.

As I said, we had footage of Mohammad Atta going through security within a week of September 11.

So, the news hasn't gotten a hold of anything yet.

What does this mean?

 

[King Brown]

So, the news hasn't gotten a hold of anything yet.

What does this mean?

That's the question I'm wondering.

 

[Chief]

That's the question I'm wondering.

I could guarantee it is because the news has not gotten a hold of the video yet.

 

[King Brown]

I could guarantee it is because the news has not gotten a hold of the video yet.

But why?

 

[Chief]

But why?

Because they haven't found anyone to bribe into giving them a copy?

 

[Kurve]

But why?

Perhaps because he was using the service elevator which happens with VIP's and high profile guests. (maybe they're not covered by CCTV) The CEO of the casino resort in an interview, without prompting, offered a denial that Paddock would not have used the service elevator without a security officer accompanying him. Nobody had even mentioned a service elevator.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

From a practical point of view, these semi automatics are not designed for such rapid fire as you get by fitting a bump-fire stock to it, so consequently they overheat really fast. This seems the reason for him having so many guns in the hotel room. As one overheats he just picks up the next and keeps going.

iirc, early days when we were moving from the SLR to steyr, there were problems with the magazine melting on the steyr when in full auto.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

While you're right, there are really three main types of these attacks, aren't there?

Race-based violence, religious violence and nationalist violence eg. IRA.

I couldn't really come up with anything substantive beyond those 3 main categories.

Of course, those categories don't seem to really cover Paddock so far, and I guess that's partially why his motive is so hard to determine.

Sandy Hook, Hoddle St, Queen St are 3 I can think of straight away that don't fit 1 of those 3 categories.

If I had a good think about it there are lots of others I could probably come up with in a short space of time.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Sandy Hook, Hoddle St, Queen St are 3 I can think of straight away that don't fit 1 of those 3 categories.

If I had a good think about it there are lots of others I could probably come up with in a short space of time.

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