Tasmania Tasmania Devils, welcome to the AFL. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5 (Part 2)

[BobbyMorri]

Sounds nice. If it were to happen, I'd play games at Devonport & Burnie. 3 at Utas. 4 in Hobart

That apart I couldn't see it happening anyway.

Would be Pengiun on the NW Coast. Probably will be the home base of any NW game in the VFL as well.

Sure the mainland commentators would have a field day having an AFL match at a town named after a bird

But yeah, cant see it happening.

 

[kranger]

I believe the AFL and the Tas govt. will enter into an additional agreement to have Gather Round in Tasmania for the first x years of the new stadium's reign of 'terror'. 5 games in Hobart and 4 in Launceston.

Potentially as early as R1, Labour Day weekend, allowing the season to start before cricket has finished clearing off all the other grounds (this is useful because a 19th team and the resulting byes + 24th game [which will happen] extends the fixture). Ideally beginning with the new team's first match in 2028, though that may require the Tazmanian Devil to rapid build the stadium.

Thu Night: GWS v Tas (Hobart) - 23k
Fri Night: Adel v Coll (Launceston) - 27k
Sat Arvo: Carl v Syd (Launceston) - 27k
Sat Twi: NM v PA (Hobart) - 23k (DH)
Sat Night: Geel v WCE (Hobart) - 23k (DH)
Sat Night: Frem v Rich (Launceston) - 27k
Sun Arvo: Haw v WB (Hobart) - 23k
Sun Arvo: BL v Ess (Launceston) - 27k
Sun Night: Melb v StK (Hobart) - 23k
Bye: GC

200k through the gates, without double-counting, just like GR this year in Adelaide.

Imagine how much of a stupid idiot you'd have to be to campaign against that injection into the local economy, woweee.

I like this idea. But having 1 gather round in a season is kind of special where everyone will book that weekend away to travel.

Would having 2 gather rounds in a season somewhat diminish each round, with people picking one or the other to attend? Thereby halving the number of potential visitors and reducing the economic benefits of hosting. How many would actually still choose to go to both?

 

[Hodgey 15]

I believe the AFL and the Tas govt. will enter into an additional agreement to have Gather Round in Tasmania for the first x years of the new stadium's reign of 'terror'. 5 games in Hobart and 4 in Launceston.

Potentially as early as R1, Labour Day weekend, allowing the season to start before cricket has finished clearing off all the other grounds (this is useful because a 19th team and the resulting byes + 24th game [which will happen] extends the fixture). Ideally beginning with the new team's first match in 2028, though that may require the Tazmanian Devil to rapid build the stadium.

Thu Night: GWS v Tas (Hobart) - 23k
Fri Night: Adel v Coll (Launceston) - 27k
Sat Arvo: Carl v Syd (Launceston) - 27k
Sat Twi: NM v PA (Hobart) - 23k (DH)
Sat Night: Geel v WCE (Hobart) - 23k (DH)
Sat Night: Frem v Rich (Launceston) - 27k
Sun Arvo: Haw v WB (Hobart) - 23k
Sun Arvo: BL v Ess (Launceston) - 27k
Sun Night: Melb v StK (Hobart) - 23k
Bye: GC

200k through the gates, without double-counting, just like GR this year in Adelaide.

Imagine how much of a stupid idiot you'd have to be to campaign against that injection into the local economy, woweee.

Are you guessing or do you actually know this for a fact?

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[Teen Wolf]

Would having 2 gather rounds in a season somewhat diminish each round, with people picking one or the other to attend? Thereby halving the number of potential visitors and reducing the economic benefits of hosting. How many would actually still choose to go to both?

I don't know the answers to those questions any more than whether Gather Round will be diminished by being held in Adelaide for four straight years. Just seems to me like the lesson with GR so far is that these sort of concepts are heavily dependent on the government's commitment.

In any case, a 24-game H&A season means the only real options are 2 or 0 Gather Rounds per year (the other option is 1 Gather Round + an extra round of local derbies but that'd raise bigger fixture inequality issues). It also means a 30-week season (minimum), creating the problem of ground availability, especially in 2028 with a T20 World Cup to be held in October--the AFL season has to start in early March, can't push the Grand Final past September.

Are you guessing or do you actually know this for a fact?

I know for a fact that Gather Round in Tasmania (half in Launceston, half at Macquarie Point) is being talked about.

I'm emphasising the early-March potential because I think the implications of a 19th team on the fixture (near-guaranteed 26-week H&A season; possibly an extra week of finals) are being slept on a bit, across the forum.

 

[peetoo]

Gather round plus a couple of hawks home games takes the seasons games to 21 11 Hobart 10 launy

It not happening without new stadium

 

[Walshawk]

As I pointed out, the season has to be extended to accommodate a 19th team, which means starting earlier when several grounds aren't available. But both Tassie grounds will be.

And they've got to do something with the 24th game that each team is going to be playing--like the recently added 23rd, it's probably not just going to be a standard H&A match.

Not sure that the season will necessarily be extended. More likely is 22 games over 24 rounds. Adding another two weeks would need the green light from the players, clubs, broadcasters and stadiums. If they do, and it is two neutral rounds, kicking off with a gather round in Tas has merit, even though Blues and Tigers might not agree.

 

[Walshawk]

I believe the AFL and the Tas govt. will enter into an additional agreement to have Gather Round in Tasmania for the first x years of the new stadium's reign of 'terror'. 5 games in Hobart and 4 in Launceston.

Potentially as early as R1, Labour Day weekend, allowing the season to start before cricket has finished clearing off all the other grounds (this is useful because a 19th team and the resulting byes + 24th game [which will happen] extends the fixture). Ideally beginning with the new team's first match in 2028, though that may require the Tazmanian Devil to rapid build the stadium.

Thu Night: GWS v Tas (Hobart) - 23k
Fri Night: Adel v Coll (Launceston) - 27k
Sat Arvo: Carl v Syd (Launceston) - 27k
Sat Twi: NM v PA (Hobart) - 23k (DH)
Sat Night: Geel v WCE (Hobart) - 23k (DH)
Sat Night: Frem v Rich (Launceston) - 27k
Sun Arvo: Haw v WB (Hobart) - 23k
Sun Arvo: BL v Ess (Launceston) - 27k
Sun Night: Melb v StK (Hobart) - 23k
Bye: GC

200k through the gates, without double-counting, just like GR this year in Adelaide.

Imagine how much of a stupid idiot you'd have to be to campaign against that injection into the local economy, woweee.

Launceston capacity after the $130m upgrade will be 23k. It is not the full rebuilt as originally mooted. Reckon games at Nth Hobart and/or Bellrieve would be likely. No way Nth v Port draws more than 10k.

 

[madmug]

Launceston capacity after the $130m upgrade will be 23k. It is not the full rebuilt as originally mooted. Reckon games at Nth Hobart and/or Bellrieve would be likely. No way Nth v Port draws more than 10k.

Which is why I mentioned if it were to happen, games on the NW coast at Burnie & Devonport, which can hold 10-12k (Dial Park 4k)

L'ton, Utas 23k

Hobart, MacPoint 23k, Bellerive 18k (then its KGV 18k & Twin Ovals with 7k. North Hobart Oval 18k is really just too small for AFL footy.)

 

[Teen Wolf]

Not sure that the season will necessarily be extended. More likely is 22 games over 24 rounds. Adding another two weeks would need the green light from the players, clubs, broadcasters and stadiums.

Forget about 22 games, the chance of going back to that is non-existent. The AFLPA have stated the players are open to a 24th game, and of course the broadcasters want it to happen. Clubs and stadiums have basically no say.

Launceston capacity after the $130m upgrade will be 23k. It is not the full rebuilt as originally mooted. Reckon games at Nth Hobart and/or Bellrieve would be likely. No way Nth v Port draws more than 10k.

It will be between 23 and 27, pointless debating that since plans keep changing.

I didn't say NM v PA would draw more than 10k, I said it would draw 23k as a double-header with Geel v WCE. At the brand new stadium, i.e. the main attraction (if people want to see NM play at Bellerive or North Hobart, they can already do that).

 

[Bjo187]

Hang on, why the f* would the premier allow this to go to a vote when he didn't need to, if it's going to be voted down anyway? All that work down the drain, tassie would be the most backward place on the planet if this doesn't get done.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Hang on, why the f* would the premier allow this to go to a vote when he didn't need to, if it's going to be voted down anyway? All that work down the drain, tassie would be the most backward place on the planet if this doesn't get done.

Trying to save his political skin.
Politicians- all tarred by the same brush.

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[Jazny]

Hang on, why the f* would the premier allow this to go to a vote when he didn't need to, if it's going to be voted down anyway? All that work down the drain, tassie would be the most backward place on the planet if this doesn't get done.

Beause he would have lost a no-confidence vote in the lower house. Causing an election which they might lose. This kind of forces Labor to play their hand now but risks the whole project. I'm seeing a big swing at least online towards pro-stadium. We still have a good chance of getting this done. It's going to need some kind of support from Labor I think.

 

[Walshawk]

Forget about 22 games, the chance of going back to that is non-existent. The AFLPA have stated the players are open to a 24th game, and of course the broadcasters want it to happen. Clubs and stadiums have basically no say.


It will be between 23 and 27, pointless debating that since plans keep changing.

I didn't say NM v PA would draw more than 10k, I said it would draw 23k as a double-header with Geel v WCE. At the brand new stadium, i.e. the main attraction (if people want to see NM play at Bellerive or North Hobart, they can already do that).

Not so sure. The broadcast deal has already been done. If it was for 19 teams playing 11 home games, then that is what it will likely be. Gather Round is filling the gap until Tas comes in.
The plans released for Launceston upon the Fed funding were for 23k. They were leaving the Carlton Draft stand as is rather than rebuilding the whole outer side. Scope to increase down the track.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Not so sure. The broadcast deal has already been done. If it was for 19 teams playing 11 home games, then that is what it will likely be. Gather Round is filling the gap until Tas comes in.

The new broadcast deal wasn't for 19 x 22. It was for 18 x 22 with clauses that "contemplate" (in Gillon McLachlan's own words) the AFL adding extra games.

The plans released for Launceston upon the Fed funding were for 23k. They were leaving the Carlton Draft stand as is rather than rebuilding the whole outer side. Scope to increase down the track.

The new Stage 2 plans haven't been made yet, let alone released.

 

[Walshawk]

The new broadcast deal wasn't for 19 x 22. It was for 18 x 22 with clauses that "contemplate" (in Gillon McLachlan's own words) the AFL adding extra games.


The new Stage 2 plans haven't been made yet, let alone released.

Gil’s words were that it ‘contemplates a 19th team’. And nine extra games were added just after the deal was done, with Gather around. Tas adds two more. You don’t know that the broadcasters are willing to pay enough for 30 more games compared to 18 x 11.

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[Teen Wolf]

Gil’s words were that it ‘contemplates a 19th team’. And nine extra games were added just after the deal was done, with Gather around. Tas adds two more. You don’t know that the broadcasters are willing to pay enough for 30 more games compared to 18 x 11.

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We know that cutting back from 23 games in an 18 team league to 22 games in a 19 team league means less money for the players, which is why it won't happen.

Applying a tiny bit of logic, it's reasonable to suggest there are clauses in the broadcast deal regarding additional games, given that we know there are clauses regarding additional teams.

 

[Walshawk]

We know that cutting back from 23 games in an 18 team league to 22 games in a 19 team league means less money for the players, which is why it won't happen.

Applying a tiny bit of logic, it's reasonable to suggest there are clauses in the broadcast deal regarding additional games, given that we know there are clauses regarding additional teams.

22 games with 19 teams (209 games) is actually more games than the current 23 with 18 (207 games) so there would be an increase, not a cutting back. I don’t get your logic at all.

 

[Teen Wolf]

22 games with 19 teams (209 games) is actually more games than the current 23 with 18 (207 games) so there would be an increase, not a cutting back. I don’t get your logic at all.

Does this really need to be explained, holy moly. Each game brings in x (call it exactly a million dollars, for neatness) on average to the players. Which means the current deal is... 207 games / 18 teams = $11.5m per team.

The options for the AFLPA when Tasmania joins will be...

a) 228 games / 19 teams = $12m per team
b) 209 games / 19 teams = $11m per team

Hmm I wonder which option the players will accept, and which one they'd riot over.

 

[Walshawk]

Does this really need to be explained, holy moly. Each game brings in x (call it exactly a million dollars, for neatness) on average to the players. Which means the current deal is... 207 games / 18 teams = $11.5m per team.

The options for the AFLPA when Tasmania joins will be...

a) 228 games / 19 teams = $12.7m per team
b) 209 games / 19 teams = $11m per team

Hmm I wonder which option the players will accept, and which one they'd riot over.

Your point is easy to understand, but you will still be proven wrong. And why 24 games, then? Why not 26? Or 28? Afterall, another $1.7m per team. You have a strong opinion, but that does not make you right. After extending the season by a week in 2023, it is not a given that they will add another two weeks in 2028. If the broadcasters had agreed to increase their offering by 10%, perhaps Gil might have mentioned this when trying to gather support for the 19th team? Perhaps someone in the media might be aware? There is nothing to suggest that that is the case.

 

[Teen Wolf]

And why 24 games, then? Why not 26? Or 28?

I don't know. Ask the head of the AFLPA, since he's the one who has publicly said the players are open to a 24th game (not a 26th or 28th).

If the broadcasters had agreed to increase their offering by 10%, perhaps Gil might have mentioned this when trying to gather support for the 19th team? Perhaps someone in the media might be aware? There is nothing to suggest that that is the case.

The 24th game is coming regardless of (and probably before) Tasmania's addition, as alluded to by Paul Marsh. 24 games each in a 19-team league results in the same spread of money as 24 games each in an 18-team league, so that would be why it wasn't brought up.

 

[The_Wookie]

A Hobart AFL stadium has the potential to be a potent cultural totem for Tasmania.

I write this article to plead with stadium opponents to reconsider, and to beg the proponents to

ensure such an arena is but one aspect of a much bigger cultural vision.

I can imagine a project that unites disparate aspects of Tasmania in a multipurpose cultural precinct encompassing Hunter Street, The School of Creative Arts, the TSO Concert Hall, The Hedberg, Macquarie Point stadium, The Cenotaph, Queens Domain and a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park.

This diverse cultural hub brings people together – a meeting place.

Such a precinct, with a brave architectural design at its core, could not only deliver economic spin- offs but become a priceless investment in community wellbeing.

Tasmanians have felt the transformative power of David Walsh’s MONA. It changed the way people see Tasmania and how Tasmanians see themselves. Let’s run with that audacious spirit.

The most deep-rooted, widespread cultural pursuit on the island is Aussie Rules. It has been the glue of communities and the touch stone of family life across the island for generations.

However, it is so integral to the Tasmanian way of life, it is taken for granted. We can’t see wood for trees. Go to Portugal, Malaysia or Holland and you won’t find ovals with four posts at each end.

Tasmanians have for generations gathered at such ovals on winter weekends. Fathers played footy, sons played and now daughters do too. Husbands and wives met and broke up at club functions.

Lives, loves, tragedies and triumphs have all played out against a backdrop of this unique game. Aboriginal activist Michael Mansell played footy. Former premier Peter Gutwein played too, as did former premier Ray Groom and former Liberal leader Bob Cheek. In fact, in the ‘70s and ‘80s, it was difficult to be elected in Tasmania if you had not played.

Aussie Rules is thought to be rooted in indigenous culture. There are colonial reports of Victorian Aborigines playing a game where clans fought over a possum-skin ball. I can’t find such references in Tasmanian records, but the game is unequivocally integral to island folklore.

Two of Tasmania’s most celebrated writers, poet Pete Hay and journalist Martin Flanagan, have long portrayed the game as a cultural phenomenon in celebratory yarns about saveloys, scoreboards, car horns and boot studs. Their stories reveal the extraordinary in the ordinary.

Take for example Hay’s ripper yarn about Wynyard taking on North Hobart in the ‘67 state final.

Wynyard was ahead a few points, but a disputed mark meant North was awarded a free kick at goal to win the game after the siren. Wynyard fans rioted and stole a goalpost. The kick was never taken.

“This game was clan footy at its proudest - pulsating, passionate, committed, riveting - and it ended without a result,” Hay wrote in his essay halftime with Stout John.

Footy legend abounds, especially from the halcyon days of the 1950s to the 1970s, when it produced VFL champions like triple Brownlow medallist Ian Stewart, Saint skipper Darrel Baldock and the greatest goalkicker the game has seen, Peter Hudson. This era has a mythical status similar to the thylacine, and some fear that, like the famous tiger, its days are over.

After working in all three regions of the island over more than 30 years in journalism, I can confirm that footy is struggling. The tough economic times of the ‘80s and ‘90s steamrolled once-proud clubs and the ruin has continued the past 20 years with a lack of vision from the AFL.

A few weeks back, however, I went to the footy at Dodges Ferry, 30 minutes’ drive from Hobart. The Sharks oval, a stomping ground of Collingwood high-flyer Jeremy Howe

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, was packed with cars and cheering fans of all ages.

Former premier Gutwein told me he observed similar community spirit the week before when he drove his family from Launceston to Scottsdale to watch his 16-year-old son, Finn, play for Bracknell seniors. “The ground was full of cars,” Gutwein said. “It’s a real family atmosphere.”

The game’s grassroots are alive. “Footy just needs a focus, and that’s what a Tasmanian club will deliver,” Gutwein told me.

Some blame the AFL for ruining the game. There is no doubt that as the big league has grown rich, country competitions have fallen into disarray. But the idea that the AFL held the state government to ransom over the stadium is an overreach. The way I understand it, and this came from the horse’s mouth, Gutwein, when premier, decided on a stadium with a retractable roof in late-2021 because it would ensure the venue would be a multipurpose cultural centre. It was his idea.

The reason was that international acts, such as British singer-songwriter Ed Sheeran, like to start tours in a small city to ensure lights and audio work, stage scaffolding can be setup and packed away, and the performance is ready. Two legendary shows by Dire Straits at KGV Oval at Glenorchy in 1986, with over 20,000 at each, were examples of this.

However, to lure international acts to Tasmania, Gutwein said the government had to insure shows against being washed out and the cost was exorbitant. Thus, when he publicly announced a stadium with a retractable roof in February, 2022, it was based on his desire for it to be a multipurpose, all-weather venue, not just for AFL.

“The AFL did not pressure me,” Gutwein told me, saying the league warmed to his idea of a state-of-the-art stadium packed with parochial Tasmanians providing gripping TV viewing. “Remember with each broadcast, images of Hobart, the mountain, the bridge and the river, from the stadium will be beamed nationwide. It’s priceless advertising.”

It was at Gutwein’s 2022 announcement the ballpark figure of $750 million was raised. Opponents suggest the “real” cost will double that. Such a blowout would not surprise anyone who has renovated or built a home recently. Material and labour costs are rising with inflation.

I spoke with stadium opponent Richard Flanagan about all this and he asked how Tasmanians could, in good conscience, spend such a vast sum on a stadium when there are homeless people living in tents on the Domain. It’s a challenging ethical conundrum.

“The whole stadium thing is a house of cards,” the Booker Prize-winning author told me. “The costings are a lie, 60pc of Tasmanians don’t want it, and there will be growing outrage as Tasmanians have to pay for it with closed hospital beds.”

Flanagan’s view is alarming, but let’s suspend the horror for a moment.

When I started reporting on Tasmania’s health system in the late 1980s, I learnt that the health

portfolio was a poisoned chalice because it did not matter what a health minister did, the opposition thrived on the department’s bad news and pounced on the political fallout.

Over five decades Labor, Liberal, Liberal-Green and Labor-Green state governments have failed to fix the system, despite pledging earnestly to do so.

I spent years talking with medical specialists and clinical administrators about how to fix the system only to find that no one agreed on the remedy. The complexity of a two-tiered public and private system, funded by individuals, Medicare, private insurance, and state and federal governments is mind boggling. The same procedure in the same hospital bed by the same specialist can cost different amounts depending on who pays and how a claim is administered.

Add to the mix the constant advances in care that are expected by all; an ageing population;

competition between hospitals and communities for resources; nationwide GP, nurse and specialist shortages; bald-faced profiteering by unscrupulous medicos; IT redesigns; decrepit buildings designed and built last century; and myriad other issues, and there is a prima facie case that a solution is beyond any one state government and that talk of “fixing health” is spurious politics.

More than a third of Tasmania’s entire state budget already goes to health. On average, a startling $7.3 million is spent every day delivering health services (Tasmanian State Budget 2022-23).

At $750 million, a stadium with a retractable roof equates to the cost of running health services for about four months. With the feds injecting $240 million, the cost to Tasmania is two to three months’ health services, and about six months if you think the cost will blow out to $1.5 billion.

After years reporting, I also learnt that helping people who live in tents is not always as simple as providing a house. Many, not all, who sleep rough have complex health issues such as alcohol addiction, drug use, sex abuse, family breakdown, a history and culture of intergenerational poverty, and diagnosed and undiagnosed mental conditions. These are cold, hard facts.

A roof over the head may be a start for some, and we must push on with affordable housing, but even with extra support others fall through the cracks. It is tragic. We live in a world where alcohol, crystal meth, cannabis and new synthetic drugs are rife. The state used to lock people in asylums and jails, but modern wisdom suggests we not criminalise or punish these behaviours, but treat them as health issues. As such, the day there are no people sleeping in tents will be of biblical significance.

Sometimes the answer is not an either/or decision, we have to do both. That means working on long-term solutions to complex health issues and housing, as well as short term ones.

Sydney Harbour Bridge was built in the Great Depression when unemployment surged and many Aussies lugged swags in search of jobs, but the bridge has since benefited generations, not just in crossing the harbour, but as a global symbol of who we are as a nation.

The critical question is whether the long-term financial and symbolic value of an iconic cultural precinct, with a $1.5 billion multipurpose, all-weather stadium for AFL and concerts, is worth as much to Tasmanians as we spend every six months delivering health services.

As for stadium costings being a “lie”, that’s rubbish because - and here is the rub - there are none.

I’m sure figures have been raised at meetings between the state, the AFL, the clubs and the feds, but at the time the Tasmanian AFL licence was announced I am convinced, after speaking to many behind the scenes, that little detail had been formally agreed.

Why? The project is yet to be designed let alone costed. All we have is a loose agreement that there is a pot of money on the table with an AFL licence. That certainty is expected to grease the wheels.

This may seem inept at first glance, but it is better than the alternative.

For decades Hydro Tasmania and Forestry Tasmania have dealt secretly with banks, departments, councils, the University of Tasmania, Treasury, the feds and private enterprise. They bypass ordinary Tasmanians and stitch up multi-billion-dollar deals before going public. Belated “consultation” is a sham. Think the $2.3 billion Basslink undersea cable, the $2 billion pulp mill proposal for the Tamar Valley and Marinus Link, valued at $3 billion based on 2021 forecasts.

The stadium deal is different. The ducks are not in a row. The project is a paper tiger.

Opponents have had a field day launching accusations and interpreting the muted silence in

response as a “lack of transparency”, “secrecy” and “lies”. The tardy response, however, is better explained by the fact there is little of substance to reveal, which is, of course, fertile ground for opponents to sow fear.

Enter, stage left: Richard Flanagan, who M&M Communications media consultant Mark Thomas advises is vastly underestimated in Tasmanian politics.

“Richard Flanagan is easily the most powerful unelected politician on the island, and possibly the most powerful in the country,” said Thomas, a senior adviser in the former Bacon state government. “And he has powerful friends.”

Flanagan honed his media skills in the ‘80s and ‘90s protesting the Franklin River dam and the logging of old-growth forests. In the ‘00s he fought the Tamar Valley pulp mill and in recent years he has joined the fray against the University of Tasmania’s relocation into Hobart city and the island’s salmon farms, penning the book, Toxic, in 2021.

A Rhodes scholar and former University of Tasmania student president, Flanagan is a seasoned

media performer and passionate public speaker. He can work the phones and is well connected, locally, nationally and globally. At the drop of a hat, he can call on a cast of thousands.

I have fundamentally agreed with most of Flanagan’s causes, but I worry the hostility of his polemic is unnecessarily divisive for an issue of such historic importance and cultural significance.

Flanagan called the stadium a “chimp enclosure”, a menacing metaphor the meaning of which is obscure but is hauntingly suggestive of some of the subhuman slurs that shame our colonial past.

He also described the Tasmanian Premier as “spineless and isolated” and portrayed the AFL’s licence negotiations as “arrogant bullying” (Mercury, April 21).

This wholesale demonisation of those with whom he disagrees was launched at a media conference to present an alternate vision for Macquarie Point, without a stadium, alongside a full bench of eminent supporters, including University of Tasmania Pro Vice Chancellor Aboriginal Leadership Greg Lehman, high-profile Hobart lawyer Roland Browne, and former Tasmanian governor Kate Warner.

Lehman worked with MONA creative director Leigh Carmichael on the original vision for a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park after MONA was appointed in 2015 to design public space in a masterplan to transform the 9.3ha site into a “dynamic, mixed-use precinct” (Mercury, December 14, 2016).

The Mercury ran front-page sketches of the plan, which included a long memorial walk on a jetty into the Derwent that featured Spectra-style searchlights and appeared to double as a ferry terminal (December 14, 2016). It was a grand design. However, the alternative vision put forward by Lehman, Flanagan, Browne, Warner and company looked very different from the original plans.

Lehman explained to me that the stadium footprint was too large to accommodate the original plan, and that only a “nature strip” of land had been set aside for it. “It struck me as tokenistic,” he said.

He also told me a Macquarie Point art park working party that no longer included MONA had not met for more than six months at the time of the licence announcement.

He said the Premier and Housing Minister had recently assured him they supported an art park and a stadium. Gutwein told me the same. Carmichael last week joined the chorus (Mercury, May 23).

So, is the art park “axed”, as Flanagan asserted (The Age, April 29, 2023) and, if so, who axed it?

Many who watched Dreamtime at the G or any of the indigenous performances during the past two weeks of the Sir Doug Nicholls AFL rounds, will agree there is no part of our society doing more to reconcile with, and respect, the ancient cultures of this land than the AFL. It’s been inspiring.

Some might argue in return that no part of society more urgently needs to change, with the AFL still dealing with the booing of Adam Goodes and racism allegations at Hawthorn and Collingwood, but that is precisely my point. The big league is championing the cause and challenging attitudes in the fray of the most widely practised cultural pursuit in the land. Aussie Rules is a cultural coalface of our society where meaningful change can happen - a place where eyes and hearts can be opened.

The AFL and clubs such as Essendon have appointed Aboriginal advisers and support systems. Similar advances are occurring with women’s football and the AFLW.

My father is thought to be the first Italian-born player to play in the VFL. He came to Australia as a boy with his peasant family just before the war and grew up in suburban Melbourne. With the swarthy skin of a southern Italian and a shock of dark hair and brown eyes, he was targeted.

Wogs, he told me, had to learn to use their fists in the backstreets of Carlton in the 1940s and 1950s.

When he began playing footy, his world changed. A nuggety rover with dash and a habit of running with the ball, Dad played a game for Carlton but spent most of his big-league days in the reserves.

Mum deplores footy, always has, probably because the first time she introduced Dad to her London- born migrant parents he had a black eye that had been stitched across his eyelid down his cheek.

Mum watched Dad play a few times, but found the rules incomprehensible - madmen chasing a leather ball for no good reason. She said when Dad touched the ball the fans in the grandstand leapt to their feet and roared. She didn’t know why, but he seemed to excite them.

Dad turns 90 next month, but only recently told me that the first time he felt accepted in Australia outside his Italian-speaking family was when he played footy. It was the reason he played. On the field, he was no longer an outsider. He was still a wog to some opponents, but he says they suffered the consequences of their abuse, not only from him but from his teammates.

Essendon’s Tiwi Islands champion Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

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Anthony...

Age

31

Ht

171cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.1

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.7

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

4.2

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

3.8

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.0

1star

reminds me of Dad. “Walla”, as he is known, is a better player, but he is short, powerful, fast, has skills on both sides of his body, and excites the crowd when he goes near the ball. When fans roar for Walla, I hear a song of redemption, a familiar tale of acceptance and transformation. The story resonates in many of the mellifluous names in the game, from Jesaulenko and Ishchenko to Chol, to Aliir, Ratugolea and Naitanui.

Yes, it is more than a game.

Surely, Tasmania has the ingenuity and goodwill to gather our cultural practices together in a

precinct where disparate paths can intersect.

I imagine a meeting place rooted in deep history, which is acutely conscious of its heritage, but looks to the future to who we want to be as a people.

I imagine something like Sidney Nolan’s Snake from MONA winding into the precinct, through the stadium and out on to the memorial walkway into the Derwent, lined with art, and providing views of the bridge, the mountain and the river. I imagine a convention centre with seating for 4000.

I imagine ferries carrying passengers to and from MONA and from the Eastern Shore and Kingston.

I imagine a global attraction, famous for its architectural audacity and elegance, which provides unprecedented comfort for spectators and is integrated with state-of-the-art equipment for TV coverage of footy and concerts, ready for broadcast interstate and overseas.

I imagine a stadium with a retractable roof that provides smaller venues with outward views over the city to the mountain, the bridge and down river. I imagine fans marching from Sandy Bay,

Battery Point, Sullivans Cove, the city, West Hobart, North Hobart, Glebe and The Cenotaph.

The project may cost $1.5 billion, but its benefits could be priceless.

Let’s not use this political football to bring down a state government, but instead come together to ensure it is something our grandchildren will be proud about and hit the federal government for a larger commitment, rather than the pittance it stretched across two electorates for political gain.

How many troubled children, seemingly destined to sleep rough, will cheer their local champions in a packed stadium and afterwards decide to go to the gym rather than smoke cones? How many will go all the way, average $400,000 a year in their AFL career, and buy a house by the sea?

Research by former attorney-general, the late Vanessa Goodwin, showed that most recidivists in Risdon Prison are from the same dozen or so Tasmanian families. Dr Goodwin’s post-doctoral research on intergenerational transfer of criminality showed family members felt trapped in a vicious cycle. This stadium and the opportunities provided by the AFL could help break that cycle.

Are there any big-bodied midfielders, drummers or singer-songwriters among the generation of

Tasmanians we are asking to stop clear-felling our native forests? How many will go on to strum guitars to emulate heroes they see perform at the stadium? What sort of cross pollination of ideas could happen if disparate groups celebrate what they share rather than demonising each other?

At school on the North-West Coast many years ago, I saw a shy boy, three years my junior, play footy. His guernsey, buttoned to the collar, was two sizes too big and, despite its sleeves being rolled up, his hands were nowhere to be seen. His pins of legs struggled with muddy boots. The waif-like figure was from Penguin, a coastal town of 4000, many of whom live in the hinterland on dairy farms. The boy had talent, but was half the size of his opponents. He made up for it with enthusiasm and guile.

The boy left the coast a few years later to join the big league where he grew into a giant of a man.

His name is Brendon Gale, former Richmond ruckman, ex-AFL players association president and acclaimed chief executive of the Richmond Tigers, who has steered the club to three flags. He is one of the game’s most respected figures and was in the mix to become the next AFL CEO.

Watching him as a boy dashing about on a boggy wing on that grey North-West morning, a bitter squall whipping up sleet from Bass Strait, I didn’t see the bright future in store for Gale.

I don’t imagine he did at the time either but, at some point, he must have dared to dream.

Simon Bevilacqua has worked in Tasmania as a journalist for more than 30 years. Currently

focused on a private writing project, he was recently approached by The Guardian to write about the Hobart stadium controversy, but the article he submitted was rejected for failing to fit the commissioning brief. This is a reworking of that piece.

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/in-depth/journalist-and-former-mercury-columnist-simon-bevilacqua-opens-up-on-macquarie-point-stadium-tasmanias-afl-team-licence/news-story/787ec2fbb06f25989c661ad1f4c20dd4

 

[Hodgey 15]

AFL high performance centre will be excluded from parliamentary process​

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/politics/tasmania-state-parliament-labor-leader-rebecca-white-to-give-budget-reply/live-coverage/22d3afbd3d9e7c2b02e79141feb72e75

The proposed training and administrative facility to support Tasmania’s AFL team will not be part of the Project of State Significance process for the Macquarie Point stadium, Premier Jeremy Rockliff has confirmed.

Independent Clark MP, Kristie Johnston, asked the Premier in Question Time on Tuesday morning whether the high performance centre would be part of the much-discussed parliamentary process the stadium is set to be subjected to.

“Or is it your intention to go through a separate planning approvals process?” she said.

Mr Rockliff said the facility would not be part of the Project of State Significant process.

“The vision for this facility is to provide the players … coaches and administrators with every opportunity to be successful, both on and off the field,” he said.

“It is very much an important part of the AFL agreement, of which we’re committing … some $60m, the AFL putting in $10m.

“We’re not planning for that facility to go through the Project of State Significance process.”

 

[Hodgey 15]

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/in-depth/journalist-and-former-mercury-columnist-simon-bevilacqua-opens-up-on-macquarie-point-stadium-tasmanias-afl-team-licence/news-story/787ec2fbb06f25989c661ad1f4c20dd4

Great article and read.

 

[Jazny]

AFL high performance centre will be excluded from parliamentary process​

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/politics/tasmania-state-parliament-labor-leader-rebecca-white-to-give-budget-reply/live-coverage/22d3afbd3d9e7c2b02e79141feb72e75

The proposed training and administrative facility to support Tasmania’s AFL team will not be part of the Project of State Significance process for the Macquarie Point stadium, Premier Jeremy Rockliff has confirmed.

Independent Clark MP, Kristie Johnston, asked the Premier in Question Time on Tuesday morning whether the high performance centre would be part of the much-discussed parliamentary process the stadium is set to be subjected to.

“Or is it your intention to go through a separate planning approvals process?” she said.

Mr Rockliff said the facility would not be part of the Project of State Significant process.

“The vision for this facility is to provide the players … coaches and administrators with every opportunity to be successful, both on and off the field,” he said.

“It is very much an important part of the AFL agreement, of which we’re committing … some $60m, the AFL putting in $10m.

“We’re not planning for that facility to go through the Project of State Significance process.”

Start building it straight away then. Go go go. Get as much sunk costs into the team as possible.

 

[BobbyMorri]

People, the Lord Mayor of Hobart.....



Says she is on record supporting a 5K Entertainment centre on Mac Point.

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She does know that a 5K Entertainment centre on Mac Point is the same as the DEC. The Same DEC she just said is underutilized. I mean, I rest my case on how useless she is.

In the same conversation, she flatly says no to any reasonable outcome or input. Just no to anything and everything about the stadium, despite the fact that, as she said, there is little information on it. I mean, she says it is too big....HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT!!!!!