Team Changes Post Freo Game

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Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

Pretty harsh on Welsh IMO.

Most of the day he played out at HF and did a shitload of chasing. At least Welsh has good fundamental motor skills.....and will chase his opponent.

We are are better side with Welsh in

So we would have lost by 5-6 goals instead of 3-4 goals today if Welsh didnt play ???

Maybe I am being a bit too harsh, but I dont want to spend the remainder of this year and next year watching a group of players who arent good enough just going through the motions in the hope to win a few more games rather than blooding for the future.

 

[patdman]

Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

LMFAO - ahhh a lot of these posters remind me of guys on our board.

It is a VERY easy thing to say. Hey lets drop <insert 5-8 players> but takes a much more astute person to say who you are going to replace them with.

Also there are a lot of people here it seems that want to give up on the season. Maybe it is just anger after a loss but remember 2 weeks ago you spanked the second placed team by 100 million points and talk was you were ready to make a run home.

I just dont see how dropping so many playes is going to help you breach the 1 game gap you need to make the finals. OR you are saying you would much prefer to tank out the season, not make the finals, try and lose the last 5 games and get pick 6-7?

 

[patdman]

Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

I heard the worst possible thing to hear in the press conference. Neil Craig said that the planning for next year doesnt happen and that we arent looking to 2008 and wont until the end of the year. He said that Adelaide will continue to field the current squad regardless of the win loss ratio.

You are an IDIOT if you think (especially with the amount of $$$ in your footy operations department) your club isnt looking forward to next year and beyond. Okay so the coach is there to make the finals THIS YEAR as you are one game out and until this week on track to make the finals. I would like to see the coach a game out with 5 games left say in a press conference

"we have given up on this year. How with 20 pts remaining could we possibly make up a gap of 4pts and make the finals. No I am going to play all the kids now, I would rather we lose than have a go at the finals."

 

[jenny61_99]

Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

LMFAO - ahhh a lot of these posters remind me of guys on our board.

It is a VERY easy thing to say. Hey lets drop <insert 5-8 players> but takes a much more astute person to say who you are going to replace them with.

Also there are a lot of people here it seems that want to give up on the season. Maybe it is just anger after a loss but remember 2 weeks ago you spanked the second placed team by 100 million points and talk was you were ready to make a run home.

I just dont see how dropping so many playes is going to help you breach the 1 game gap you need to make the finals. OR you are saying you would much prefer to tank out the season, not make the finals, try and lose the last 5 games and get pick 6-7?

great post! Hopefully after a sleep people will calm down and see that being irrational will not help us. In Craig's eyes we can still do this - I'd be very disappointed if he didn't think we could!!

 

[maccas_no1]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

So we would have lost by 5-6 goals instead of 3-4 goals today if Welsh didnt play ???

Maybe I am being a bit too harsh, but I dont want to spend the remainder of this year and next year watching a group of players who arent good enough just going through the motions in the hope to win a few more games rather than blooding for the future.

My thoughts exactly, and Im not confident the AFC will trade for a genuine match winning forward either.

 

[Pride of SA]

Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

LMFAO - ahhh a lot of these posters remind me of guys on our board.

It is a VERY easy thing to say. Hey lets drop <insert 5-8 players> but takes a much more astute person to say who you are going to replace them with.

Also there are a lot of people here it seems that want to give up on the season. Maybe it is just anger after a loss but remember 2 weeks ago you spanked the second placed team by 100 million points and talk was you were ready to make a run home.

I just dont see how dropping so many playes is going to help you breach the 1 game gap you need to make the finals. OR you are saying you would much prefer to tank out the season, not make the finals, try and lose the last 5 games and get pick 6-7?

sorry, but this is a hysteria only zone please. only posts that say we`ll never win another game and that a coach that made us a top2 side two years in a row ( and this year has faced injury after injury destabilising our team structure) cant possibly coach are allowed here

despite the fact our defence was gutted..
despite the fact virtually none of our forwards from last year when we were 2nd highest scoring side have been on the park for much of the year (no Hentschel, Bode, Ricciuto, Burton etc for most of the year).

no, its only that we have been 'found out' whatever that means. our gameplan isnt some giant secret, teams knew what we were doing last time, just like teams know what Geelong are doing too. Knowing it is different to having the players who can actually stop it though.

yes this has been a frustrating year where nothing has gone right, but the chicken little 'sky is falling' everytime we have some losses is so predictable.
We do need to start blooding some kids, if only because of the age of some of our stars. But the way some of us are suggesting tanking when we are 1 game out of the 8 with many games to go is really poor.

 

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Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

Noone is saying tanking, we are merely saying that its time to at least drop a couple of gold ticket dead wood players that have no value to the future of our side and start to bring the youth through.

If they were dropped I dont think we would see much of a performance drop IMO, to be honest I think people are massively overrating our 2nd tier players which have been mediocre for years.

 

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Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I think Welsh has value and could be kept next year. I noticed a lot yesterday he was being played around the half forward line and I don't think this is where he is best suited. In a one on one situation he is usually the guy in front, with a great lead, and hes not a bad mark either. So really he should be playing deeper in the forward line. The delivery into the forward line and where he is playing, is not sufficient for him to contribute greatly to a game, goalwise.

Oh and Jericho was named as one of Norwood's best, so was he good or not?

 

[Mad Dog]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

We need a forward leading from the goal square - and Welsh is the nearest thing we have on the list - so he needs to stay.

IMO quite a few players are the victims of being played out of position ATM

Ken - looked like an under 15 novice against Pav - not his fault although I still question whether the game has passed his body by. He looks like a 26 year old trapped in a 36 year old body.

Welsh - needs to lead from the square - not play across HF.

Bock - CHB is his spot

Stevo - fwd pocket looks his go - very smart around goals especially if the opposition pays him no respect.

Mattner - wing wing wing.

Roo - whether he's got 1, 6, or 56 games left in him needs to play on the ball for 10 minutes then rest up forward.


Most of us don't blame Mattner for his current predicament as we reckon he is a victim of structure and injury to others ATM......I just think the same latitude should be afforded some others

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

We need a forward leading from the goal square - and Welsh is the nearest thing we have on the list - so he needs to stay.

IMO quite a few players are the victims of being played out of position ATM

Ken - looked like an under 15 novice against Pav - not his fault although I still question whether the game has passed his body by. He looks like a 26 year old trapped in a 36 year old body.

Welsh - needs to lead from the square - not play across HF.

Bock - CHB is his spot

Stevo - fwd pocket looks his go - very smart around goals especially if the opposition pays him no respect.

Mattner - wing wing wing.

Roo - whether he's got 1, 6, or 56 games left in him needs to play on the ball for 10 minutes then rest up forward.


Most of us don't blame Mattner for his current predicament as we reckon he is a victim of structure and injury to others ATM......I just think the same latitude should be afforded some others

Being saying now for 18 months that he was heading down the "Elephant Walk"

There's only so many seasons you can use Injuries as an excuse .....sadly ...and I do mean sadly Injuries are not an excuse now and as he stated in an article recently .....even he now has doubts about his longevity in the game.

Mensch come on down

 

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Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

We need a forward leading from the goal square - and Welsh is the nearest thing we have on the list - so he needs to stay.

IMO quite a few players are the victims of being played out of position ATM

Ken - looked like an under 15 novice against Pav - not his fault although I still question whether the game has passed his body by. He looks like a 26 year old trapped in a 36 year old body.

Welsh - needs to lead from the square - not play across HF.

Bock - CHB is his spot

Stevo - fwd pocket looks his go - very smart around goals especially if the opposition pays him no respect.

Mattner - wing wing wing.

Roo - whether he's got 1, 6, or 56 games left in him needs to play on the ball for 10 minutes then rest up forward.


Most of us don't blame Mattner for his current predicament as we reckon he is a victim of structure and injury to others ATM......I just think the same latitude should be afforded some others

I do think that Welsh may have more value in the side than some other players, the point is that our 2nd tier players wont be the backbone of a premierships side so some hard decisions need to be made at the end of the year in relation to our list, the cuts have to cut from the middle and not from the bottom. If the cuts are made from the bottom at the end of the year then Craig will be slowly undoing the great work he has done so far, if we keep in the faith in those guys that we have had for years that arent good enough we are at a stage now where the side is going to fall apart around them.

 

[adelaide_girl]

Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

I have slept on it and once again the sun is shining and the earth hasn't stopped spinning. We have not fielded a settled line up all season and still there are a large group of you advocating change for change sake alone.

I certainly am not privy to what roles our coaches gave to the maligned players who are whipping boys week in week out. Enlighten me if you are. Neil Craig et al may very well have given these players a specific role and these same players may well have fulfilled the role given. Do you know they didn't any more than I know realistically that they did.

Yes we do need to start slowly blooding these players, but does 'oh my god meese' played 2 good games at snaffle level one against a piss poor opposition yesterday, which in the parts i saw the local primary school boys would have put up a better performance. How does 2 reasonable games equate to afl level?

We are still in with a shot at finals, the results this week have very much fallen our way. I would love the internet heros who know best do a better job than the guys the club sees fit to lead our great team.

We need at the moment our best team out there, not a bunch of untried kids who have all struggled with consistency at sanfl level. We had post after post of how Douglas is a gun, and yes i feel he will be, but there was an awful lot of criticism, thrown at him yesterday by those who wanted him in there.

I hope if Meese, Gill, Pfieffer, Campbell, Sellar get their chance you give them a go and don't make them the new favorite whipping boys.

 

[noddy]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I agree that some players need to be moved on but bloody hell show a bit of a class & dignity in your display of feelings toward the guys who have given years of good service to the club.

 

[Mad Dog]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I do think that Welsh may have more value in the side than some other players, the point is that our 2nd tier players wont be the backbone of a premierships side so some hard decisions need to be made at the end of the year in relation to our list, the cuts have to cut from the middle and not from the bottom. If the cuts are made from the bottom at the end of the year then Craig will be slowly undoing the great work he has done so far, if we keep in the faith in those guys that we have had for years that arent good enough we are at a stage now where the side is going to fall apart around them.

that's fine.....so why not trade from an area where we have more depth.

We have Half Back Flankers and onball rotators coming out of our preverbials......but we only have one genuine leading forward.....why would we trade or delist something we have one of....

 

[adelaide_girl]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I agree that some players need to be moved on but bloody hell show a bit of a class & dignity in your display of feelings toward the guys who have given years of good service to the club.

Noddy that is a fine post

 

[Malibu#27]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

Speaking of West Coast, Cousins is playing a BLINDER tonight!

He played a blinder last tuesday as well .... according to reports

 

[Portia]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I'm not sure why you guys bag your forwards when you lose...most of the time when I see those losses (like yesterday's), the forwards are having trouble because delivery is so shoddy.

Welsh in particular is about as good as you can expect a short key forward to play in a side with no good tall key forward.

 

[Alex99]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I'm not sure why you guys bag your forwards when you lose...most of the time when I see those losses (like yesterday's), the forwards are having trouble because delivery is so shoddy.

Welsh in particular is about as good as you can expect a short key forward to play in a side with no good tall key forward.

Absolutely - The Adelaide forward line is inconsistent (that is oblivious) but IMO that inconsistency has a lot more to do with how efficient and effective the midfield is and what kind of work rate they put in on match day.

After quarter time last week (Vs St Kilda) the Adelaide midfield work rate around stoppages and clearances dropped consiterabilly and allowed the St Kilda midfield to get on top (same yesterday). This was the primary reason our forward line could not take as many marks inside the forward 50 after quarter time (and wasn’t any better yesterday). When the opposition midfield is clearing the ball with large numbers and breaking the line with link up handball it’s no wonder the forwards are getting it lace out.

It’s not personnel, its desire to work as hard as you can for the entire quarter of football. Some player knows if they get 20 touches they will not get dropped so they get there 1 or 2 clearances and 4 or 5 touches and then have a sleep for the rest of the quarter.

The forward line and defenders can only do so much, if the ball is getting delivered lace out because the pressure is non existent from the midfield what can they do?

This season the Adelaide midfield are playing like a bunch of front running down hill skiers, when we are up and flying we look fantastic and dominate the opposition with precise skills and defensive pressure (the Bulldogs, Brisbane and Kangaroos game) but yesterday the midfield showed no accountability to even man up. This is why opposition forwards have no problems taking marks inside the forward 50 and kicking winning scores (Essendon, Melbourne and yesterday) and with no midfield accountability out forward line will always struggle.

It’s all about work rate and playing accountable football, the Fremantle midfield continually got the inside position yesterday and ran harder to create space making it easy for the forward to lead and take a mark out in front.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

We need a forward leading from the goal square - and Welsh is the nearest thing we have on the list - so he needs to stay.

IMO quite a few players are the victims of being played out of position ATM

Ken - looked like an under 15 novice against Pav - not his fault although I still question whether the game has passed his body by. He looks like a 26 year old trapped in a 36 year old body.

Welsh - needs to lead from the square - not play across HF.

Bock - CHB is his spot

Stevo - fwd pocket looks his go - very smart around goals especially if the opposition pays him no respect.

Mattner - wing wing wing.

Roo - whether he's got 1, 6, or 56 games left in him needs to play on the ball for 10 minutes then rest up forward.


Most of us don't blame Mattner for his current predicament as we reckon he is a victim of structure and injury to others ATM......I just think the same latitude should be afforded some others

Good post MD.

Mentioned on the other thread that we are not playing our KPP in their best positions.

Bock must return to CHB - he is a damn good backman, but struggles for consistency up forward.

Kenny is too immobile to play anywhere except FF, where he can provide a marking contest. When we are full strength, there is no room for him IMO.

Perrie is a working CHF & doesn't have the class to play closer to the goal-line.

When Rutten returns, I would use Stevens in the Bassett role as the 3rd tall backman (as he has footy smarts), with the occassional run up forward if need be.

Mattner did some useful stuff in the backline (eg. cutting of Pav leads), but he is a potential AA wingman, wasting away in a backpocket.

 

[King Elvis]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I'm not sure why you guys bag your forwards when you lose...most of the time when I see those losses (like yesterday's), the forwards are having trouble because delivery is so shoddy.

Welsh in particular is about as good as you can expect a short key forward to play in a side with no good tall key forward.

It's a case of what came first, the chicken or the egg.

Our delivery to Burton was good yesterday, we generally either hit him on the lead, or kicked to a one on one contest where he was a good show. We have a pretty quality midfield who are more than capable of kicking a decent pass to someone on the lead - if the forwards are presenting a decent lead.

When we had Roo, Hentschel, Burton and Bode down there last year, our midfield delivery was fantastic. Now, it sucks - did the same mids forget how to kick, or is the forward line to blame?

Our midfields don't move the ball forward with any speed or confidence, because they look up inside 50 and see nothing.

Then, as crows98 just said, they're also expected to play a defensive role.

So basically, our midfielders are currently being blamed for our forwards not being able to work into space or take a contested mark, and also being blamed for our defense getting belted yesterday.

I think it's a bit rough, our midfielders are being blamed for the fact that our forward line is rubbish, and they're now being blamed for our defenders not being up to it. They can't do everything.

The fact is, without Rutten and Bassett, our back line is going to struggle massively.

And our forward line is just dysfunctional.

 

[macca23]

Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

You are an IDIOT if you think (especially with the amount of $$$ in your footy operations department) your club isnt looking forward to next year and beyond. Okay so the coach is there to make the finals THIS YEAR as you are one game out and until this week on track to make the finals. I would like to see the coach a game out with 5 games left say in a press conference

"we have given up on this year. How with 20 pts remaining could we possibly make up a gap of 4pts and make the finals. No I am going to play all the kids now, I would rather we lose than have a go at the finals."

Well said.

Mind you, you're being logical, rather than hysterical.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

I agree that some players need to be moved on but bloody hell show a bit of a class & dignity in your display of feelings toward the guys who have given years of good service to the club.

Great post

 

[Portia]

Re: Perrie And Welsh You Know Where The Door Is, Hope It Doesnt Hit You On The Arse On The Way Out

When we had Roo, Hentschel, Burton and Bode down there last year, our midfield delivery was fantastic. Now, it sucks - did the same mids forget how to kick, or is the forward line to blame?

OK, assuming that the midfield is great, is it Welsh and Perrie's fault that Ricciuto, Hentschel and Bode aren't playing?

 

[Crows_Chick]

Re: Will we Have the GUTS to Wield the Axe?

great post! Hopefully after a sleep people will calm down and see that being irrational will not help us. In Craig's eyes we can still do this - I'd be very disappointed if he didn't think we could!!

I'm not suggesting we tank the season or undertake wholesale changes in the team in response to yesterday, the only point i'm trying to make is there is some underlying structural problems and selection issues which have failed to be addressed constantly throughout this season and are devastatingly exposed in games like yesterday and overlooked when we win!

I know Craigy said in one presser last year that a loss can sometimes be more constructive than a win because if you win the end result covers up some of the areas you are lacking in!

If that's the case - we've LOST a couple now so surely that's enough incentive for some changes to be made to rectify the weakest links which were abundantly clear yesterday! (refer to previous post)

Everyone's allowed to have an "off" day occasionally but when it's consistently you have to make the hard call and give someone else a go who offers something different!

AND... can someone please explain to me how MICHAEL DOUGHTY got in the best players yesterday according to the local rag! unbelievable!

I for one am still clinging to the finals dream for 2007 and i guarantee i'll be the last one to abandon ship, but being supportive of the team doesn't mean you can't be critical of them as well! In the end everyone on here is just giving an opinion about what they think is in the best interests of our team..

 

[High Ryder]

Will Rutten and Riciouto be fit to play next week?