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Had it on in the background.Does anybody watch this?
Does anybody watch this?
No. But you post so frequently there, that you have the presence of a mod to me. Obviously I wasn't paying attention.(PS I don't mod the cricket board)
I would put it to you that this is overstated?...but Supercars is better to watch
My answer is that you don't.How do you combine those to get a new, popular ATCC?
Idk how interested he is in racing, but he makes a pertinent point. Supercars is not relevant, and really hasn't been for 15-20 years. Larko, Crompo, Skaifey and all the other v8 cheerleaders don't get that. It's ****** domestic motorsport in Australia.
Nope. What They Speaker said here is what makes it relevant.The crowds are what make it relevant.
The appeal of touring cars comes from their similarity to cars on the road...We also no longer make our own cars, which is probably more important than we think to how interested people will be in the sport.
Even the crowds are dropping thoughThe crowds are what make it relevant. I like that you're happy to bag it out on here but jump down anyone's throat's should they say a bad word about TCR on the TCR thread.
Damn ******* right. With people who s**t on 2litre/TCR cars, there's a nasty undertone. It's just regular car racing, but people on all forums elsewhere make out like it's a queer form of racing.I like that you're happy to bag it out on here but jump down anyone's throat's should they say a bad word about TCR on the TCR thread.
Even the crowds are dropping though
No. But you post so frequently there, that you have the presence of a mod to me. Obviously I wasn't paying attention.
I would put it to you that this is overstated?
There are numerous points of your posts I can respond to, but it was make a particularly long post. I'll keep it at this for now.
My answer is that you don't.
Whether anybody wants tot acknowledge it, but race car regs do have a certain expiry date. This certainly includes 5ltr V8s, whose "best before" date was 20 years ago.
Damn ******* right. With people who s**t on 2litre/TCR cars, there's a nasty undertone. It's just regular car racing, but people on all forums elsewhere make out like it's a queer form of racing.
5ltr V8s were ok to begin with back in 93. But for a long time now they've just an overrated lump of s**t, and a less and less irrelevant. Saying you want to watch 5tlr V8 supercars is like saying you want to watch horse and carriage racing.
Had there been a genuine 2ltr class for the past 20 years, motorsport in Aus would be better off. It's have made any transition easier away from 5ltr V8s easier, and it would've been easier to create a settled structure of national level motorsport for prospective competiiors.
But this focus on being a "business" and "putting on a show" and s**tting on smaller cars (Us vs them mentality), just fu**s up a more prosperous motorsport scene in Aus.
Even the crowds are dropping though
Damn ******* right. With people who s**t on 2litre/TCR cars, there's a nasty undertone. It's just regular car racing, but people on all forums elsewhere make out like it's a queer form of racing.
5ltr V8s were ok to begin with back in 93. But for a long time now they've just an overrated lump of s**t, and a less and less irrelevant. Saying you want to watch 5tlr V8 supercars is like saying you want to watch horse and carriage racing.
Had there been a genuine 2ltr class for the past 20 years, motorsport in Aus would be better off. It's have made any transition easier away from 5ltr V8s easier, and it would've been easier to create a settled structure of national level motorsport for prospective competiiors.
But this focus on being a "business" and "putting on a show" and s**tting on smaller cars (Us vs them mentality), just fu**s up a more prosperous motorsport scene in Aus.
Damn right. It should be a chip on your shoulder as well. This "power" supercars wields is BS. The attachment to a 5ltr V8 is BS. It completely distorts the attitude amongst competitors and fans.That's a nasty chip on your shoulder.
For lower/amateur level classes, that's fine. The regs can go on forever. Formula Ford is an example of this.Technically they never have an expiry date as long as people want to build and race to those regs.
This is more about whether large, popular series have an expiry date for their regs that they can change, or whether a series has to start from scratch according to the conditions in the motoring world.
In hindsight, the sequence should been like this from 1993.Realistically, how was that going to happen? CAMS couldn't just say "we aren't going to have a category for the most popular cars in the country because we want everyone to watch the Super Tourers, which are the future." You could maybe argue that they should've opened up the category to get the Camry/Avalon/Aurion and Magna/380 in there by any means necessary, but that doesn't really solve the problem in the long run. As long as Australia was manufacturing these cars, they were going to be the ones in the most popular series.
Damn right. It should be a chip on your shoulder as well. This "power" supercars wields is BS. The attachment to a 5ltr V8 is BS. It completely distorts the attitude amongst competitors and fans.