The Bulldogs and Umpires: Time for a Royal Commission?
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What's more likely, they have a game style that attracts more frees while giving away less, or there's a league wide 9 year conspiracy to favour the Bulldogs?
Dunno.
Ask the West Duck Eagles of the 2000/10s. They were the previous umpiring darlings, especially at Subiaco.
Constant backlash led to a change in how they roster umpires, providing real rotation.
WA ump gets derby gig
Nathan Williamson has been appointed as the first West Australian field umpire to officiate in a West Coast fixture in Perth in six weeks.
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So I wouldn't rule anything out.
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You think Bulldogs have such huge crowd support that the umpires are influenced by the noise?Dunno.
Ask the West Duck Eagles of the 2000/10s. They were the previous umpiring darlings, especially at Subiaco.
Constant backlash led to a change in how they roster umpires, providing real rotation.
WA ump gets derby gig
Nathan Williamson has been appointed as the first West Australian field umpire to officiate in a West Coast fixture in Perth in six weeks.
So I wouldn't rule anything out.
That's not what I said.
Just saying that systematic issues have been demonstrated before.
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What's the issue here?
Lol at the Hawks fan who pops in mid their team being destroyed to make this known
Read the thread mate.
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What's the systemic issue in your opinion?
You must lack reading comprehension.
When a team has a positive free kick differential in 9 consecutive years and has topped the differential charts in 5 of the past 7 years....It's not a one-off anomaly. It's a statistical trend and a systematic issue.
If the AFL want to recruit me to look into it, I'll gladly do a root-cause analysis. But alas...
Whinging because there’s something there to whinge about. Gotta fill time.
The Umpires caused the Bulldogs to kick 13 in a row tonight
Did they?The Umpires caused the Bulldogs to kick 13 in a row tonight
Well I guess without the centre bounce there can be no goals. lol
Summary of the thread:
Dogs positive free kick differential = something smells, can’t be their game style.
Tigers negative free kick differential = na definetly is their game style.
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You just lack comprehension in general. Who is talking about a once off anomaly? I said it's most likely game style related, if that's the case obviously it would be a statistical trend. A statistical trend is not a systematic issue, lol. You have to be able to pinpoint what the issue is, what is it in your opinion?
Nobody would recruit you for anything data related based on your posts in this thread.
For those that just looked at the stats instead of watching, the game started 5-0 and not one of them was all that advantageous to us. We were either marking/getting the ball anyway or it was to slow the play down.
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It's a bit unusual that a team can be in front by 3 goals after 15 minutes, and not have received a single Free Kick though.
Dewyyyyy
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One was already picking up the ball and on the ground, one picked it up, looked up and looked back down to get under the tackle. Not a duck because he didn't want to get the free, but the umps paid it for some god knows reason. There were so many, Hawthorn were terrible for 2 quarters but holy the umpires were worse.
Mate I do work in data analysis and one important aspect is not to jump to conclusions like 'it's most likely game style related'. The data can't tell you that.
A statistical trend over 9 years is definitely a systemic issue.
What systemic issue? Who knows. Maybe all the umpires are WB supporters, maybe WB players know the rules better than everybody else, maybe its due to where they play, who they play, how they play.
I can't answer that.
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What is a game style that means more frees? You mean staging? Do they go in harder and lower then other teams? No.
What is the specific game style that means that they get more free kick and give less away than other teams? And don't say something stupid like 'we go in harder than other teams' as that's just incorrect. Dogs are a 6-10 team.
The umpires let em get away with more than other teams can.
Tackled and the ball spills out? team: hawks free kick against vs dogs: play on
If you duck into a tackle with a dogs guersey: free kick, everyone else play on.
Libbas clear throw half way through the 2nd Q in the middle. puke at the commentators saying he is magical it was a clear as day throw.
Elbow to the face with the ump 2 meters away is allowed if you are a dog
You tell me which of these arm holds in a rucking contest is a free kick
this is the only one that was paid right in front of goal
Umpire explaining what he did wrong that hadnt been done in any of the other instances that game
Tackled and the ball spills out? team: hawks free kick against vs dogs: play on
If you duck into a tackle with a dogs guersey: free kick, everyone else play on.
Libbas clear throw half way through the 2nd Q in the middle. puke at the commentators saying he is magical it was a clear as day throw.
Elbow to the face with the ump 2 meters away is allowed if you are a dog
You tell me which of these arm holds in a rucking contest is a free kick
this is the only one that was paid right in front of goal
Umpire explaining what he did wrong that hadnt been done in any of the other instances that game
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Not having the same argument with you every month. We get it, you think there’s corruption in the league.
a game style of staging, ducking and appealing for free kicks is pretty embarrassing tbh, would almost rather some wild afl conspiracy than admit that if I was a doggies fan
In saying that, hawfs deserved to lose last night. What was it, 9 in a row or something? Lol
In saying that, hawfs deserved to lose last night. What was it, 9 in a row or something? Lol
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You're confused, it's only a systemic issue if you believe free kicks should even out. Only one of the things you mentioned would be considered a systemic issue. A statistical trend does not equal a systemic issue in this case.
Most organisations and their data people suck at actual data science.
