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a good little read in our current down time...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Norm_Smith

Norm Smith at the Demons

Former Melbourne coach, Norm Smith



Norm Smith had been the coach at the Demons since taking over in 1952, after Melbourne finished last in 1951. He took the team to 6th and 11th in his first two seasons, before beginning an eleven year streak of finals seasons from 1954 until 1964, winning 6 premierships, with 2 seconds, 2 thirds and 1 fourth. Smith's coaching ability was always well regarded, and after his death he was an inaugural Australian Football Hall of Fame inductee, made a Legend in 2007, and was the VFL/AFL coach of the century.

The Curse

In 1965, Melbourne were attempting to reach their twelfth consecutive finals series under Smith, and the season began well with Melbourne winning their first eight games. In round 9, the third-placed St Kilda beat Melbourne by 61 points, their biggest loss under Norm Smith. In the following three weeks, Melbourne lost to Essendon by 29 points, beat Hawthorn by 58 points, and lost to Richmond by 6 points.
Despite still sitting third on the ladder with only percentage separating them from the top, Smith was sacked by the club, in what was the biggest and most surprising football story in history. In the following days, he publicly expressed his disappointment with his treatment, stating that the club would never recover. It was this statement which is said to have cursed the Demons.
The following week, coached by Checker Hughes, Melbourne lost to North Melbourne for the first time in 12 years. Two days later, Smith was reinstated as coach, a position he held until 1967.

Effects of the Curse

Since the curse, Melbourne have failed to win a premiership. They have also suffered a string of unlikely finals-related misfortunes in a number of seasons, the likes of which few teams have ever endured, leading to the popularisation of the curse as a superstitious reasoning.

1965

After Smith's sacking and reinstatement, Melbourne fell from the top four, and a string of losses saw them miss the finals by two games and percentage, the first time they had missed the finals for twelve years.

Finals drought

In the years that followed, Melbourne would continue to miss the finals, in a drought that would last 22 seasons, and encompass 4 wooden spoons and 14 bottom-four placings. The only time that Melbourne would come close to the finals in that time was 1976, when they finished sixth after Footscray held on for a final-round draw against top-placed Carlton to claim the fifth spot in the final five.

1987

In the final round, Hawthorn's win over Geelong and Melbourne's win over Footscray placed Melbourne fifth for their first finals series since 1964. The Demons convincingly beat North Melbourne and Sydney in the Elimination and First-Semi Finals, to progress to the Preliminary Final. The Demons led when the final siren went, with Hawthorn's Gary Buckenara needing a 60m after-the-siren goal to steal the victory. Unfortunately for Melbourne, Jim Stynes gave up a 15-metre penalty by running across Buckenara's mark. Buckenara then kicked the 45m goal, and Melbourne were eliminated in unlikely circumstances.

1988

Melbourne again ended the home-and-away season in fifth place. They narrowly defeated West Coast in the franchise's first ever final, then defeated Collingwood and Carlton to reach their first Grand Final since 1964. They were beaten by Hawthorn by 96 points which was, until 2007, the highest winning margin in any Grand Final.

2000

Melbourne has reached the Grand Final on one other occasion since 1988, in 2000. There, they encountered Essendon, who had lost only one game in what was one of the most dominant seasons in history. The Bombers won the Grand Final by ten goals.

2004

The battle for top place in 2004 was a five-way battle amongst St Kilda, Port Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane and Geelong. After round 18 results fell their way, Melbourne ascended to outright first place on the ladder; this was the first time that Melbourne had been on top of the ladder after any round since Norm Smith's pre-curse tenure. They then badly lost the final four games of the season, failing to score more than ten goals in any game and losing by an average of 41 points, to finish fifth – still in the finals, but without a double chance. In the Elimination Final, Melbourne lost their fifth straight game, a tight battle against Essendon by five points.

Other Premierships

The Curse is seen to affect only the VFL/AFL seniors. During the period of the Curse, Melbourne won 4 reserves premierships, 3 under-19s premierships, 2 night series, 1 pre-season competition. Furthermore, their Victorian Football League affiliate, the Sandringham Zebras, have won 4 premierships during the period of their affiliation.

The Curse in culture

While the folklore behind the Curse of Norm Smith is well known, and often referenced in football media, the Curse does not hold the same esteem or constant discussion as the American equivalents, the Curses of the Bambino and the Black Sox. In fact, the terminology "the Curse of Norm Smith" is rarely ever used, included in this article merely because it is the most logical name to use. Nevertheless, the Curse is reported in media any time the Demons progress to deep into the finals series.




Hadn't heard of this before.... oh well the Black Sox recently lifted the bambino curse :thumbsu:
 

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All curses are bollocks
Yep, the 1964 Premiers were an aged and aging group. Barassi wasn't the only loss. Apart from 2 good wins against Carlton and Fitzroy the other wins in the first 8 games were by margins of 6 8 3 6 2 and 4 points so the writing was actually on the wall. In one game Hassa Mann, playing in the centre, had to kick 8 goals to get them over the line.
 
Such a curse. :thumbsd:

My hopes were so high in 2004 you wouldnt believe...:(
I don't think 2004 was a shock mate, our run home was as bad as our start was good. The year that we should have gone better was last year.

That game we played at Carrara against the Crows where we lost by a kick should have been at the MCG but for the Commonwealth Games.

Also we played Carlton twice at the Telstra dome, losing one of them by close to a kick.

If both of those games were at the MCG we would probably have won both and finished the home and away season in 2nd spot, yes that's right 2nd spot prior to the finals. Alas we get done again by the draw.:thumbsd:
 
What's the ratio of Demons supporters that actually believe this vs the ones that don't?
 
What's the ratio of Demons supporters that actually believe this vs the ones that don't?

I like to believe more in the Zayn Malik blessing. Since he left One Direction, we've not lost a game.

#standbyzayn
 
What's the ratio of Demons supporters that actually believe this vs the ones that don't?

I don't believe in a curse, that's just stupid.



.. I do however, believe that Jordie McKenzie is a clone; created using the fossilised blood of Norm Smith taken from a mosquito, and mixed with frog DNA.
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I don't believe in a curse, that's just stupid.



.. I do however, believe that Jordie McKenzie is a clone; created using the fossilised blood of Norm Smith taken from a mosquito, and mixed with frog DNA.
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Jordie McKenzie, our next great supercoach
 
I write this tentatively, but have any of you seen the rice love/hate experiment?

If not, look it up on YouTube.

In a nutshell, it shows that our thoughts can have a physical impact on our reality. Now just for a minute, entertain this thought. If every Melbourne supporter has a truly negative outlook on the club and the games we play, this could in turn have an effect on the team and the outcome.

Do I believe in the curse of norm? Nope.

Do I think that the collective negativity We put out is having an impact on players and our club? Hell yes I do. As soon as something remotely negative happens, as a whole, we supporters drop our Shit and go into full blown negative mode.

Might pay for us to pull our heads out and start the positivity we had when pj and Roosy came to the club rather than being negative nancies all the time.

Just my 2c.
 
I write this tentatively, but have any of you seen the rice love/hate experiment?

If not, look it up on YouTube.

In a nutshell, it shows that our thoughts can have a physical impact on our reality. Now just for a minute, entertain this thought. If every Melbourne supporter has a truly negative outlook on the club and the games we play, this could in turn have an effect on the team and the outcome.

Do I believe in the curse of norm? Nope.

Do I think that the collective negativity We put out is having an impact on players and our club? Hell yes I do. As soon as something remotely negative happens, as a whole, we supporters drop our Shit and go into full blown negative mode.

Might pay for us to pull our heads out and start the positivity we had when pj and Roosy came to the club rather than being negative nancies all the time.

Just my 2c.

I liked this post only to show some positivity.
 

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a good little read in our current down time...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Norm_Smith

Norm Smith at the Demons

Former Melbourne coach, Norm Smith



Norm Smith had been the coach at the Demons since taking over in 1952, after Melbourne finished last in 1951. He took the team to 6th and 11th in his first two seasons, before beginning an eleven year streak of finals seasons from 1954 until 1964, winning 6 premierships, with 2 seconds, 2 thirds and 1 fourth. Smith's coaching ability was always well regarded, and after his death he was an inaugural Australian Football Hall of Fame inductee, made a Legend in 2007, and was the VFL/AFL coach of the century.

The Curse

In 1965, Melbourne were attempting to reach their twelfth consecutive finals series under Smith, and the season began well with Melbourne winning their first eight games. In round 9, the third-placed St Kilda beat Melbourne by 61 points, their biggest loss under Norm Smith. In the following three weeks, Melbourne lost to Essendon by 29 points, beat Hawthorn by 58 points, and lost to Richmond by 6 points.
Despite still sitting third on the ladder with only percentage separating them from the top, Smith was sacked by the club, in what was the biggest and most surprising football story in history. In the following days, he publicly expressed his disappointment with his treatment, stating that the club would never recover. It was this statement which is said to have cursed the Demons.
The following week, coached by Checker Hughes, Melbourne lost to North Melbourne for the first time in 12 years. Two days later, Smith was reinstated as coach, a position he held until 1967.

Effects of the Curse

Since the curse, Melbourne have failed to win a premiership. They have also suffered a string of unlikely finals-related misfortunes in a number of seasons, the likes of which few teams have ever endured, leading to the popularisation of the curse as a superstitious reasoning.

1965

After Smith's sacking and reinstatement, Melbourne fell from the top four, and a string of losses saw them miss the finals by two games and percentage, the first time they had missed the finals for twelve years.

Finals drought

In the years that followed, Melbourne would continue to miss the finals, in a drought that would last 22 seasons, and encompass 4 wooden spoons and 14 bottom-four placings. The only time that Melbourne would come close to the finals in that time was 1976, when they finished sixth after Footscray held on for a final-round draw against top-placed Carlton to claim the fifth spot in the final five.

1987

In the final round, Hawthorn's win over Geelong and Melbourne's win over Footscray placed Melbourne fifth for their first finals series since 1964. The Demons convincingly beat North Melbourne and Sydney in the Elimination and First-Semi Finals, to progress to the Preliminary Final. The Demons led when the final siren went, with Hawthorn's Gary Buckenara needing a 60m after-the-siren goal to steal the victory. Unfortunately for Melbourne, Jim Stynes gave up a 15-metre penalty by running across Buckenara's mark. Buckenara then kicked the 45m goal, and Melbourne were eliminated in unlikely circumstances.

1988

Melbourne again ended the home-and-away season in fifth place. They narrowly defeated West Coast in the franchise's first ever final, then defeated Collingwood and Carlton to reach their first Grand Final since 1964. They were beaten by Hawthorn by 96 points which was, until 2007, the highest winning margin in any Grand Final.

2000

Melbourne has reached the Grand Final on one other occasion since 1988, in 2000. There, they encountered Essendon, who had lost only one game in what was one of the most dominant seasons in history. The Bombers won the Grand Final by ten goals.

2004

The battle for top place in 2004 was a five-way battle amongst St Kilda, Port Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane and Geelong. After round 18 results fell their way, Melbourne ascended to outright first place on the ladder; this was the first time that Melbourne had been on top of the ladder after any round since Norm Smith's pre-curse tenure. They then badly lost the final four games of the season, failing to score more than ten goals in any game and losing by an average of 41 points, to finish fifth – still in the finals, but without a double chance. In the Elimination Final, Melbourne lost their fifth straight game, a tight battle against Essendon by five points.

Other Premierships

The Curse is seen to affect only the VFL/AFL seniors. During the period of the Curse, Melbourne won 4 reserves premierships, 3 under-19s premierships, 2 night series, 1 pre-season competition. Furthermore, their Victorian Football League affiliate, the Sandringham Zebras, have won 4 premierships during the period of their affiliation.

The Curse in culture

While the folklore behind the Curse of Norm Smith is well known, and often referenced in football media, the Curse does not hold the same esteem or constant discussion as the American equivalents, the Curses of the Bambino and the Black Sox. In fact, the terminology "the Curse of Norm Smith" is rarely ever used, included in this article merely because it is the most logical name to use. Nevertheless, the Curse is reported in media any time the Demons progress to deep into the finals series.




Hadn't heard of this before.... oh well the Black Sox recently lifted the bambino curse :thumbsu:
I think you mean the Red Sox. The Bambino curse referred to Babe Ruth who left the Boston Red Sox in the 1920's to move to the Yankees, they then won about a gazillion World Series until the Red Sox finally won in 2004
 
I believe. Not so much because of any voodoo behind the phrase, but because it cemented the power of committee over football, a relationship which has remained steadfast ever since.

The unfortunate reality is that successive boards have firmly ruled the roost ever since to the detriment of our football. Even during the Daniher years it was board infighting between Gutnick and Szondy.
 
I write this tentatively, but have any of you seen the rice love/hate experiment?

If not, look it up on YouTube.

In a nutshell, it shows that our thoughts can have a physical impact on our reality. Now just for a minute, entertain this thought. If every Melbourne supporter has a truly negative outlook on the club and the games we play, this could in turn have an effect on the team and the outcome.

Do I believe in the curse of norm? Nope.

Do I think that the collective negativity We put out is having an impact on players and our club? Hell yes I do. As soon as something remotely negative happens, as a whole, we supporters drop our Shit and go into full blown negative mode.

Might pay for us to pull our heads out and start the positivity we had when pj and Roosy came to the club rather than being negative nancies all the time.

Just my 2c.


http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphys...riment-proves-our-minds-can-influence-matter/

Here's a bit more info on the subject I bought up for those that are interested or even those that think it's nothing but nonsense.
 
Interesting video that rice hate/love thing, seems to make a bit of sense in reality when you eat bad food and feel negative vs eat something good ect.

I think personally bigfooty is the most negative thing about watching football, I watched our 3rd NAB cup game and was a little disappointed in how we finished but managed to see improvements in everything we did. I logged in to read things like "wow we are crap again" and "in for another year of disappointment" and honestly made me depressed to be a supporter. I feel like those days should really be behind us now, the club is improving and we saw that in a few games last year.

Yes we still have those games where we we pretty ordinary and if you think we will not have some again this year you are delusional. If we played about 8 average to good games last year we should expect at least 12 this year with a few more wins .
 
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I like to believe more in the Zayn Malik blessing. Since he left One Direction, we've not lost a game.

#standbyzayn

The blessing. It lives.

Zayn_Malik_officially_quits_One_Direction_music_scene_ireland.jpg


#standbyzayn
 
Bump.

Dees are in a Preliminary Final and are one win away from just their 3rd Grand Final since their 1964 flag.

Like the Cubs breaking their Billy Goat curse after 108 years, it’s time.
 
Bump.

Dees are in a Preliminary Final and are one win away from just their 3rd Grand Final since their 1964 flag.

Like the Cubs breaking their Billy Goat curse after 108 years, it’s time.
You’re a West Coast fan! Don’t disturb the Indian burial ground!
 

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