The End of the Forward Press?

[mouncey2franklin]

The 2019 rule changes have been announced. Two which will have a big impact, and this thread is designed to discuss:

• At kick-ins, a player will no longer need to kick to himself to play on from the goalsquare.
• Following a behind, the man on the mark will be brought out to 10m from the top of the goalsquare, rather than the existing five metres.

The first means that a player can play on much quicker than was previously the case. Without having to worry about the pokey kick to self, he can burst from the square at full speed.

The second means that he can run further before his opponent can catch him. He has more space to work with and more of a 'headstart'.

Combined, these rule changes will allow teams to kick the ball all the way to the wing without too much risk.

Think through it:

Play on at full speed from square (already 5-10 metres from goal).
Have a bounce early, then run another full measure before tackler arrives (total run 20-25 metres).
Kick towards the wing (suppose 50-55 metre kick)​

That's 75-90 metres, without too much trouble -- unless the opposition bases players near their own goals specifically to stop this.

Which is what they might have to do. Then again, maybe they won't bother, and will accept the long kick down the wing.

What do you expect these rule changes to lead to? What tactics and counter-tactics do you predict we'll see?

Is this the end of the forward press? Or will it simply encourage teams to get better at setting up their forward defensive structures?

 

[Coaster2012]

I don't see it changing that much. He wouldn't get 75-90 meters without much trouble, that's almost the center bounce, no way. He would likely run out about 5 meters before being closed down and kick to a contest out on the wing. Forward press would still be in full force, they would just shift it back 5 meters. Would just mean after a point kicked, players need to get their eyes straight back on the footy without hesitation.

I think your thinking too much about it. It's just a split second kick on to ones self (that's all it was, it's not like it was a massive kick and mark to ones self) vs running out of the square without a split second kick to self. You will almost see no difference.

And teams will still want to set up down the field. So the FB isn't going to run out like this at every single play.

 

[The Gong]

Teams who set up well behind the ball will still most likely be able to get an interception, lock it in and get some repeat inside 50 entries. It might let the ball carry an extra 5 - 10 metres but they'll adjust to that.

 

[Always Ballin]

fuar shannon hurn/jetta long bombs playing on from the goal square

 

[footyfan1978]

This will not STOP the forward press. Just reduce it a little. The overall congestion will be the same for much of the match. Until the interchange mess is fixed this stuff is window dressing adjustments. It is still not fixing mistakes of the past.

 

[Roobs321]

In theory it may work, but I think defensive set-ups will just be re-arranged to counter in time. Kick-in will remain fairly onerous a determination in practice, resulting wing stoppage regarded as par. Quick play-on after a tussle of I50 play means the area will still be fairly congested and hazardous to turnover.

 

[Square Peg]

Forward Press

Suck s**t, loser

I never rated the guy personally but I don't want him wiped out like a Saudi journalist in a Turkish embassy either

 

[RUNVS]

I don't see this having much of an effect. It is a half-arsed measure.

 

[NoobPie]

I don't see this having much of an effect. It is a half-arsed measure.

How?

I can't see where the other half of the arse is coming from in terms of re-balancing / opening up the kick out

 

[RUNVS]

How?

I can't see where the other half of the arse is coming from in terms of re-balancing / opening up the kick out

The 18 metre goal square was the full arse, this new change is the half arse the AFL came up with when too many people got upset at the 18 metre idea.

 

[Forward Press]

Forward Press

Suck s**t, loser

<---------------*points to premiership trophy on left*

 

[NoobPie]

The 18 metre goal square was the full arse, this new change is the half arse the AFL came up with when too many people got upset at the 18 metre idea.

I didn’t mind the 18 metre goal square but this I like better and I suspect will have a better outcome. The key is to open the game up after a point and reduce the skewed advantage to the team that just missed a goal

 

[Makka]

After such a great GF why change the rules at all?

 

[Truckosaurus]

AFL PLAN FOR MORE GOALS

1. Change rules to make it easier to get the ball out of defence, so stoppages are further from goal.
2. ???
3. Advertising profit!

 

[Coach_Required]

I cant see this working to the effect they are hoping, even if the player kicking out can just play on they arent just going to bomb it long to the back flank / wing as a turn over from there could just open up the backline even more on a turn over.

I wouldnt be suprised if teams kick it out to say 15-20 metres on the boundary instead of into the pockets, thats about the only difference i can see happening.

 

[RUNVS]

After such a great GF why change the rules at all?

Scoring is way down in recent years. Sure the Grand Final was great but the AFL is looking at overall trends.

 

[Aeglos]

Reckon it will have a notable impact in maybe 2-3 cases per game when there is the opportunity for a quick kick out after a stoppage in the forward pocket.
Can’t see how it’s going to change a kick out after a set shot.

 

[sprockets]

May as well get rid of the square altogether now. When kicking out you don't need to kick from within it so it serves no purpose other than when a forward takes a mark inside it, which was only brought in because we had a square.

 

[BIRDBRAIN]

Are they going to point some kind of dot or something 10m out so the man on the mark knows where to stand?

 

[living_in_syd]

The whole point of it is to spread the defence.. so thr opposition will think you will bomb to the wing but really you will chip to the unmarked man in the pocket. Probably might work

 

[Chinacats]

Set ups will go back 5m - 10m from the kick in. Yet it would be exciting if a team has a fast break over the top style forward entry then miss. The resulting kick in would certainly catch out a few teams. That’s what they want and that’s good.

 

[ubuntu]

Goodbye centre square infringements.

 

[Juddernaut08]

The 2019 rule changes have been announced. Two which will have a big impact, and this thread is designed to discuss:

• At kick-ins, a player will no longer need to kick to himself to play on from the goalsquare.
• Following a behind, the man on the mark will be brought out to 10m from the top of the goalsquare, rather than the existing five metres.

The first means that a player can play on much quicker than was previously the case. Without having to worry about the pokey kick to self, he can burst from the square at full speed.

The second means that he can run further before his opponent can catch him. He has more space to work with and more of a 'headstart'.

Combined, these rule changes will allow teams to kick the ball all the way to the wing without too much risk.

Think through it:

Play on at full speed from square (already 5-10 metres from goal).
Have a bounce early, then run another full measure before tackler arrives (total run 20-25 metres).
Kick towards the wing (suppose 50-55 metre kick)​

That's 75-90 metres, without too much trouble -- unless the opposition bases players near their own goals specifically to stop this.

Which is what they might have to do. Then again, maybe they won't bother, and will accept the long kick down the wing.

What do you expect these rule changes to lead to? What tactics and counter-tactics do you predict we'll see?

Is this the end of the forward press? Or will it simply encourage teams to get better at setting up their forward defensive structures?

Should just play dont argue specialists taking kick ins

 

[Pessimistic]

If you want more scoring,why advantage the defending team?

I just don’t get the philosophy, would rather see kicking between goals and behind post rewarded with 3 points. Then go back to centre bounce if you like

 

[Frank Gallagher]

The 2019 rule changes have been announced. Two which will have a big impact, and this thread is designed to discuss:

• At kick-ins, a player will no longer need to kick to himself to play on from the goalsquare.
• Following a behind, the man on the mark will be brought out to 10m from the top of the goalsquare, rather than the existing five metres.

The first means that a player can play on much quicker than was previously the case. Without having to worry about the pokey kick to self, he can burst from the square at full speed.

The second means that he can run further before his opponent can catch him. He has more space to work with and more of a 'headstart'.

Combined, these rule changes will allow teams to kick the ball all the way to the wing without too much risk.

Think through it:

Play on at full speed from square (already 5-10 metres from goal).
Have a bounce early, then run another full measure before tackler arrives (total run 20-25 metres).
Kick towards the wing (suppose 50-55 metre kick)​

That's 75-90 metres, without too much trouble -- unless the opposition bases players near their own goals specifically to stop this.

Which is what they might have to do. Then again, maybe they won't bother, and will accept the long kick down the wing.

What do you expect these rule changes to lead to? What tactics and counter-tactics do you predict we'll see?

Is this the end of the forward press? Or will it simply encourage teams to get better at setting up their forward defensive structures?

You don't know what the forward press is do you?