Who is the best Key Forward of the 21st Century?

[RUNVS]

Key Forwards
8 – Lance Franklin | 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018
5 - Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

35

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

| 2012, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022
5 - Matthew Lloyd | 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003
5 - Nick Riewoldt | 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2014
4 - Barry Hall | 2004, 2005, 2006, 2010
4 - Warren Tredrea

Warren Tredrea

Age

45

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

6.9

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

2.2

5star

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D

5.4

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

| 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004


In order to be on the list

• Must have won 4 All Australians or more
• Must have won a majority of those All Australians in the 21st century, which is why Lloyd makes the list (just) but Wayne Carey doesn't even though he technically won an AA in 2000.

Now this is not quite as easy as I first thought it would be since I thought Buddy would be a shoe in not realising Lloyd was eligible too as Lloyd was a very good player, but I am still going to have to go with Buddy as I feel like he played majority of his career in a time when scoring goals was harder than when Lloyd played, and Buddy could do things no other player in the history of the game could do.

Who do you think is the best Key Forward of the 21st Century?

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Lance has kicked the goals, won the big games, created the great highlights.

 

[bobs head soup]

If I was picking 2 key forwards for a best 22, from that list I'd take Franklin and Riewoldt.

 

[Wizard]

Pavlich and his 6 AAs not enough?

 

[StonesThrow]

Not even a debate.

 

[RUNVS]

Pavlich and his 6 AAs not enough?

The problem with Pavlich is he is not just a Key Forward.

I had the same problem with Goodes and Bontempelli as none of them really fit in a nice easy to define category.

 

[74561347]

Simon minton connell

 

[Engimal v3]

Buddy > Riewoldt > Hawkins > Lloyd > Tredrea > Hall

Some blokes define an era (e.g. Carey/90s) and Buddy is that bloke for the 2010s.

 

[kirbatron]

Bud.

 

[RAPPA]

Buddy then daylight. And no disrespect to those sitting behind him, but he has been fair and away the most superior KPF in the game.

 

[TheUnicorn]

Similar to the GAJ thread this is a no brainer, Buddy Franklin by a lot.

 

[RonnieRaven]

The problem with Pavlich is he is not just a Key Forward.

I had the same problem with Goodes and Bontempelli as none of them really fit in a nice easy to define category.

3 goal 17+ seasons averaged
Pav 3
Buddy 3
Nick roo 1
Brown 1
Tredders 0

Pav ave 3 goals 17d 8 marks 2005-2008 a 4 year span in a team with a losing record over that period

 

[TheUnicorn]

3 goal 17+ seasons averaged
Pav 3
Buddy 3
Nick roo 1
Brown 1
Tredders 0

Pav ave 3 goals 17d 8 marks 2005-2008 a 4 year span in a team with a losing record over that period

Why do you Freo mob keep argueing for Fremantle players to be added to polls with the likes of GAJ and Buddy? Are you seriously voting for them over those two anyways?

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Josh Thurgood

 

[RonnieRaven]

Why do you Freo mob keep argueing for Fremantle players to be added to polls with the likes of GAJ and Buddy? Are you seriously voting for them over those two anyways?

I just wanted to highlight how good pav was this notion of Jack of all master of none is false.
Notice how I am not negative I’m just positive.
I’m not canning anyone
I feel good

 

[Freomaniac]

Why do you Freo mob keep argueing for Fremantle players to be added to polls with the likes of GAJ and Buddy? Are you seriously voting for them over those two anyways?

Matthew Pavlich kicked 700 goals from 353 games .

If us dockers fans wanna be trolling, dockers fans would say that Kepler Bradley is a bombers and dockers legend lol

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Obviously it's Franklin.

 

[piesaregreat]

Franklin
f your club picked any of those players as an 18 yo you would be happy but you would still wish he was Buddy mk2

 

[_jrtp09_]

Pavlich and his 6 AAs not enough?

It’s a biased and flawed poll.

 

[BF Tiger]

A question that no-one was asking because the answer is so obvious.

Also the criteria appears cherry-picked to exclude the guy who, if included on the list, would have the third most goals, second most goals this century (238 goals more than Tredrea) and second most Coleman medals, but only three AAs (after not being selected one year when he won the Coleman Medal).

Or the guy with 700 goals (151 more than Tredrea) and six AAs, including three selections at HF or FF.

It's almost like the OP is trolling.

 

[HairyO]

Key forward and no goal kicking requirement ?

Its obviously Buddy. 2nd Id take Nick Riewoldt and 3rd Id take Pav. Then Hawkins.

 

[Freomaniac]

Key forward and no goal kicking requirement ?

Its obviously Buddy. 2nd Id take Nick Riewoldt and 3rd Id take Pav. Then Hawkins.

Serious question.... Where would you rate Roughead if he was on this convo? Yes I am talking about the hawks one

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Matthew Pavlich kicked 700 goals from 353 games .

If us dockers fans wanna be trolling, dockers fans would say that Kepler Bradley is a bombers and dockers legend lol

Do you consider Shane Crawford to be on the same level as Voss, hird, Buckley?

Pavlich is the same level as Crawford. An absolute superstar who SHOULD be regarded in the top echelon, but playing for a struggling team for the majority of his career has ensured he sits a rung below

 

[Mofra]

Buddy is one of the all time greats

 

[HairyO]

Serious question.... Where would you rate Roughead if he was on this convo? Yes I am talking about the hawks one

He actually kicked more goals than Buddy every time we played the Swans. Rough was so good he could play very well in literally every position on the ground, and routinely moved around, so he could easily have been top 5 this century - particularly if he hadnt got cancer.

Gunston is another who spent 30% or more playing around the ground and would be much higher up the list if he stayed forward.