The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Ballarat Bob]

Still pushing nuclear ? Double down on a sh$t policy that was badly costed and had an unrealistic timeline to implement. They are not learning anything.

 

[schneebly111]

spot on. grow some and stand up to those who see more culture wars as the way forward. it will take fortitude bc the rwnj’s have the newscoprse megaphone.

Adam Schwarz (@adamjschwarz.bsky.social)

Moderates can never suppress the far-right by adopting their policies because the far-right will forever shift their policies to whatever outflanks moderates. All it achieves is legitimising far-right narratives, artificially shifting policy rightwards & facilitating radicalisation towards fascism.

bsky.app

There was a story about how a “moderate” NSW Liberal MP called those advocating for abortion rights “N*zis” in a debate recently.

I mean you’ve got Pentecostal religious nutters like Morrison and Hastie, and in time they’ll probably be considered “moderates” against the far right MAGA worshipping sov cit conspiracy nutters who’ll be the “conservatives”.

 

[schneebly111]

There must be a correlation between Sky “News” being available free to air in rural areas and the L/NP basically only competitive now in rural areas.

Help us all if News Corp manage to get Sky onto free to air in cities.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Still pushing nuclear ? Double down on a sh$t policy that was badly costed and had an unrealistic timeline to implement. They are not learning anything.

A good number of them probably know.

But they’re completely owned by fossil fuel. There’s nothing they can do about it.

 

[Not Important]

like father, like son. another lib spruiker. always get a kick out of these shouting at the moon nuffies.

 

[DaRick]

like father, like son. another lib spruiker. always get a kick out of these shouting at the moon nuffies.

Didn't hear much from them in 2019, either.

 

[schneebly111]

like father, like son. another lib spruiker. always get a kick out of these shouting at the moon nuffies.

If overall FPTP was used then the LNP would have won in 2022, 2010 and 1990. Conversely ALP would have won 1998. Having said that the growth in minor and third parties has benefitted Labor more on preferences than the LNP, so while the LNP usually (except this year) get a stronger primary vote than Labor they don’t get as much minor and independent preferences.

So while FPTP would benefit Liberals somewhat a lot of voters who vote tactically (like Greens first then ALP) would switch to ALP first preference to ensure Liberals don’t win. The overall effect would be to diminish the minor and independent vote.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So while FPTP would benefit Liberals somewhat a lot of voters who vote tactically (like Greens first then ALP) would switch to ALP first preference to ensure Liberals don’t win. The overall effect would be to diminish the minor and independent vote.

And one could be forgiven for wondering if LibLab might suddenly find way too much amount of common ground there, to the electorate’s detriment.

I suspect the one thing they both fear more than losing to each other, is losing to minors or independents.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The Libs are cooked internally, but the Nats also need to change and give them a lot more room to manouevre unless they want to collect their salaries from opposition indefinitely.

I think that's exactly what many Nats politicians want to do.

 

[kranky al]

I was talking about farmers in rural towns behind meat and grain farming (which contributes less to our economy than Tourism or Education) not mining, who's workforce is mostly FIFO and lives in cities.

In a democratic sense it's one vote one value, rural people's vote is not worth more than city people. You know one of the greatest days in Australian history was November 24th 2021 when the WA Parliament finally abolished the final disproportionally weighted legislature in the country, the WA Upper House, which ridiculously gave rural electors up to 6 times the voting power of city voters?

We could change lots of things with how we vote to make it more "appropriate". IMO the right to vote or compulsory voting should be abolished for over 67s, and 16-17yr olds given the right to vote. We could hand out 2 ballot papers to those with a university degree in recognition of them achieving a higher standard of academics. But we don't. And you in the country don't get special exemptions because of some idea about "earning more GDP (even though the facts show you don't)

Ohhh so cut out mining and it works?

You do realise there a lot of mining folk live in real towns - like me in Geraldton, etc..

No worries….

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Sorry but what?

The economic contribution of capital cities to the national economy was 69.2 per cent, with regional Australia1 contributing 30.8 per cent.

90% of people live in the city.

You're shifting the goalposts in the middle of the comment from capital cities to cities in general. Capital cities only account for 67% of the population.

Population, households and families

This research snapshot outlines some key changes in the population, households and families of Australia over the last four decades, with some of the trends going back before this time. This research snapshot is mainly based on Australian censuses.

aifs.gov.au

And schneebly111 was right, rural areas do receive more welfare and taxpayer funds per capita than the cities. Being lucky enough to sit on top of mineral resources gives a misleading perception of how productive rural and regional economies are because little of the mining wealth gets reinvested into local communities, particularly in WA where's there's so much FIFO. It's just creamed off by multinationals.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Malcolm Turnbull was what I consider a moderate member of the Liberal party. Would Sussan Ley be considered several steps further to the right of Malcolm? I'm thinking yes, but interested in the views of others?

Definitely. Turnbull never personally invoked scare campaigns against immigrants, that I can recall anyway. Bridget Archer sat about where Turnbull did, I'd say.

The farmers aren't. The miners are.

Spot on. The coal seam gas exploration issue should have showed once and for all that the Nationals serve the interests of miners before those of farmers.

 

[Dazzler9]

Alan Kohler goes whack!

The Liberals will have to choose between the Nationals and the climate

It does not look feasible for a political party to succeed in Australia without a credible commitment to reducing carbon emissions.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The propaganda didn't work and now they're having a crack at each other. Don't the LNP (and a handful of billionaires) basically fund advance anyway?

Advance director says ‘bed-wetting anonymous Liberals’ trying to blame others after bitter election defeat

Exclusive: Senior Liberal sources question rightwing advocacy group’s impact – and ongoing role – after Labor landslide

www.theguardian.com

 

[western royboy]

Nats have pulled out of the Coalition

 

[JackOutback]

While it would be tempting to say this is the end of the Liberal Party (they could never win government on their own), the first time Labor and Liberal are hung, of course the Nats would side with the Libs and give them power. I don't think it changes much in the long term. Libs are in soul-searching mode and Nats don't want to be dragged down by them at the moment.

 

[Gough]

Wtf happens now?

 

[EagleMan87]

This Coalition agreement has to made public. Three parties agreeing to coalesce to form government but they won't tell you what this agreement entails doesn't sound particularly transparent to me.

Oops, nevermind.

 

[kalex6251]

bridget mckenzie talking about 'principled decisions' is comedy gold

 

[CURVE]

Wtf happens now?

Albanese reigns for 20 years

 

[DaRick]

I'll just link to this post:

2025 Federal Election: A Pox o'....Just one of your houses, apparently.

So your party can’t vote out a leader who is PM, (unless it 2/3 majority ) but can get voted in on unqualified votes One of the articles I read said the hopeful candidates had been invited by the Party to vote on the leadership.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Johnny Bananas]

While it would be tempting to say this is the end of the Liberal Party (they could never win government on their own), the first time Labor and Liberal are hung, of course the Nats would side with the Libs and give them power. I don't think it changes much in the long term. Libs are in soul-searching mode and Nats don't want to be dragged down by them at the moment.

Well yes, but what if the moderates and conservatives in the Liberal Party don't stay united and are clawing at each other the whole way down? I wonder if the Nationals are positioning themselves as a home for disaffected conservatives from the Liberal Party.

Also, it's interesting that Littleproud won't sit with other colleagues from Queensland who are in the same party as him, as the LNP is one party in Queensland.

 

[DaRick]

While it would be tempting to say this is the end of the Liberal Party (they could never win government on their own), the first time Labor and Liberal are hung, of course the Nats would side with the Libs and give them power. I don't think it changes much in the long term. Libs are in soul-searching mode and Nats don't want to be dragged down by them at the moment.

In the long-term, I'd expect more open ideological disagreements and conflict RE preferences.

The Libs/Nats only became a serious electoral force in QLD when they reunited.

 

[NSWCROW]

nat's reserving the right to come back and root the ex if singledom doesn't have dinner on the table by 6 lol

 

[GrayRanga]

Albanese reigns for 20 years

"Doing them slowly" was the first thing that came to mind yesterday.

Moved into >>ff>> quickly

Does this mean that the Liberals will be fielding candidates in National Seats?

Given that preferential voting was introduced by the Country Party in 1918 to stop splitting of Conservative votes, the calls from the right wing pundits to go back to FPTP voting may seem a bit hollow in light of these develpments