The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Not Important]

old but still pertinent.

 

[Not Important]

colourful, but more than an atom of truth.

 

[kickazz]

First time ever that at federal level (well at least in my lifetime):

Libs have a woman leader.
Nats quit the coalition.

Not for a minute drawing any causality here, but what are the optics on this? How can/will it be played to score political capital?

 

[pjcrows]

Well done to the Nationals. Agree or disagree with their ideology, they're actually demonstrating some integrity here.

 

[E Shed]

I guess they are now really the No-alition.

 

[Mick F]

Without being unkind, I think if you looked up the ‘Peter Principle’ in Wikipedia you’d see pictures of Littleproud and Ley - a bank teller and junior public servant bludging in T&D.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The propaganda didn't work and now they're having a crack at each other. Don't the LNP (and a handful of billionaires) basically fund advance anyway?

Advance director says ‘bed-wetting anonymous Liberals’ trying to blame others after bitter election defeat

Exclusive: Senior Liberal sources question rightwing advocacy group’s impact – and ongoing role – after Labor landslide

www.theguardian.com

These turds from Advance literally have no vision for the nation other than “smashing da left!!”

(I happen to think the right needs to be “smashed”, but the difference is that I can make a coherent, fact-based argument on why progressive politics most benefit the greatest number of Australians. These guys descend straight into lazy, unsupportable stereotypes.)

These cashed up bogans have zero political thought underpinning their organisation other than trying to shore up power for those who have least earned it. Tell them to go root themselves.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Alan Kohler goes whack!

The Liberals will have to choose between the Nationals and the climate

It does not look feasible for a political party to succeed in Australia without a credible commitment to reducing carbon emissions.

www.abc.net.au

Fabulous article.

 

[nut]

Only made the 4th story on Channel 9 news

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Does this make the Liberal Party a minor party now?

They’re already the miner party.

 

[Geoff]

Anyone who thinks the coalition is dead is delusional. They’ll be back together within this four year time frame.

 

[nut]

Anyone who thinks the coalition is dead I’d delusional. They’ll be back together within this four year time frame.

As long as Nuclear is a National party policy the Coalition is dead, regardless if they kiss and make up.

 

[Upgrayedd]

As long as Nuclear is a National party policy the Coalition is dead, regardless if they kiss and make up.

Sometimes you cant measure how many seats you lose in an election due to one policy

But we can safely say the coalitions nuclear policy cost them about 16 today

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Anyone who thinks the coalition is dead is delusional. They’ll be back together within this four year time frame.

Given it's a 3 year electoral cycle, I don't think you've thought this through.

 

[Gough]

I think it is actually 26 with 8 Queenslanders sitting in the Liberal Party room.

Still getting close to WA irrelevance though.

I think the next election is here early next year and unless the SA Libs can come up with something remarkable they could well end up like WA.

 

[western royboy]

The rodent is on the box now quoting “disunity is death” call the split stupid

 

[Demonic Ascent]

How does this work? The Libs only hold 18 seats in their own right how can they be seen as the alternative government? They only had 20% primary vote only 8% more than the Greens.

How does the Qld LNP work into this now? How do they determine National 2PP?

 

[Bont2Bruce]

How does this work? The Libs only hold 18 seats in their own right how can they be seen as the alternative government? They only had 20% primary vote only 8% more than the Greens.

How does the Qld LNP work into this now? How do they determine National 2PP?

This recent article on the ABC website explains it quite well

 

[taurus]

Even though I'm hard as a rock, it's a good move by the coalition in the long run.

They need to be away from each other until a) they rediscover how to position themselves to the modern Australia b) the electorate forgets or ready to beat Labor with baseball bats.

I do have some sympathy for Ley. Losing your mother then have to deal with historic split, life can be tough.

More independents will emerge in those regional seats given that Nationals can't realistically form a govt in the next 6 years.

But politics like life is a cycle. The coalition will have its day someday.

 

[QuietB]

Only made the 4th story on Channel 9 news

What was No. 1

 

[nut]

What was No. 1

CFA protests

 

[QuietB]

CFA protests

They never miss an opportunity to bash Labor and protect their little pets

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Angus and Ley definitely don't have the juice to rein in Canavan and Price.

It'd be a disaster if that's who makes up the core of the leadership team.

Their best bet is to be low-key, think long term and be disciplined. That way if Albo et al stumble or fail to deliver then the Libs can market themselves as the "sensible" alternative. It may not be enough to win in 2028, but it's how you rebuild the party and take back significant ground.

First part was correct.

Seems like they chose to blow things up instead of the reasonable and politically sensible alternative.

I'd say they were playing funny buggets, by running a crank conservative party and a centre right neoliberal party, that will join hands when convenient to try and take power, but that assumes Ley can herd cats till the next election at minimum. Or that there is method to the madness.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

The amount of guns you can have. Different guns do different jobs.

I have no issue with mental health checks or removing guns from dv offenders - that was overdue.

Gun theft is a huge issue. So whilst I agree in principle, limiting the amount of guns an individual can lawfully own limits illicit supply.

Without being too specific, I have close family who served, who hunt, who lived and worked ruraly.

At some point they've all chosen to downsize completely voluntarily and the current limits wouldn't impinge on either lifestyle/sporting interests, or their ability to do their jobs. You could easily get by as a farmer and sports hunter with a small and large(r) calibre rifle, plus two shotguns. A 12 guage for larger game, and you have a couple of options for water fowl. The cartridges you use are as important as the gun.

When I was a youngin I did a little shooting as to teach me how to handle a firearm and just manage pests on a property.

Ya don't cycle through a whole armory mate and most blokes "out bush" stick to their favourites, unless they are really in to the collecting/hobbyist side of things. Not that common and pretty ****in expensive.

 

[Cmarsh]

The government can pretty much ignore them for the next 3 years.

So should the media.

So no effective opposition in Federal politics for the forseeable future. Great.