UK The Queen

[Gethelred]

This thread is actively moderated, let's behave like adults, shall we?

For conversation on an Australian Republic:

Who wants a Republic?

I am just curious in the figure as it has been over 10 years since we had a referendum for it. Personally, I think we should become a Republic.

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[Geelong_Sicko]

The old heretic was very friendly with murderous communist dictator Tito and was very pleased with his persecution of the Catholic Croats in Yugoslavia, where my people were dumped by the incompetent allied politicians after ww2.

She's in Hell now with that atheist piece o' s**t Tito, I'm so happy about that!

Boyz!! Still in the game I see. Yeah, if you want to look at the bad side of ethno-religious nationalism, Yugoslavia and its breakup has more than a few lessons. As a Croat, do you ever think there will be trust between the different ethnic groups in that area again?

Ireland has some sectarian baggage it needs to be shed of too.

 

[Number37]

What point?


The monarchy has reserve powers in Britain as well as Australia. Royal prerogative powers. Just because they are rarely exercised doesn't mean they don't exist.


I'll answer how I please. Was the above too long for you?

Remember that time you said the Queen doesn't have any power, it's all rainbows and lollipops?

 

[sherb]

There are no straw mans, you just cry strawman because you have no real comeback

You have gone from "tolerating different cultural beliefs/multiculturalism" to "the coins show it's more than just some British person", seems like the one making all kinds of straw man argument is you. Their faces on our coins = we have to simp for them is no more stupid than we use the bible to swear in our government so we must all be Christians, just some weird logic. All of them are merely outdated symbolism that mean nothing in reality except to weirdos.

Australians/Americans worshipping the British monarchy is every bit as weird as people crying about the Kardashians, it's a very normal and reasonable observation, but if you're gonna white knight for them and keep citing random points like multiculturalism and coins as some sorta defense then I'm sorry, you are weird, too. That's just my opinion, maybe you should take your advice and learn to live with it

I don't get it either - re royalty or the Kardashians - but I accept it for what it is instead of getting worked up about it.

 

[Roylion]

Remember that time you said the Queen doesn't have any power, it's all rainbows and lollipops?

Where did I say that? Find the quote and present it here. I've always said the reserve powers are vested in the Queen. Which they are.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

How does that relate to the reserve powers?

Oh, that wasn't reserve powers? Perrogative powers then?

 

[Gough]

Boyz!! Still in the game I see. Yeah, if you want to look at the bad side of ethno-religious nationalism, Yugoslavia and its breakup has more than a few lessons. As a Croat, do you ever think there will be trust between the different ethnic groups in that area again?

Ireland has some sectarian baggage it needs to be shed of too.

I always wonder how Catholic warrior and proud Monarchist Our Tone would do in your forebear's country. I'd imagine it would be very confusing for him.

 

[Number37]

Where did I say that? Find the quote and present it here. I've always said the reserve powers are vested in the Queen. Which they are.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I always wonder how Catholic warrior and proud Monarchist Our Tone would do in your forebear's country. I'd imagine it would be very confusing for him.

Yeah. He'd find it tough old going. He'd hear the term "West Brit f*cker" a lot, I think!

 

[Roylion]

Oh, that wasn't reserve powers? Perrogative powers then?

If you can't answer my question just say so. How did Scott Morrison's actions relate to the reserve powers vested in the monarch and exercised by the Governor-General?

 

[Cooldude]

As are people allowed their positive opinions regarding the monarchy.

I don't get it either - re royalty or the Kardashians - but I accept it for what it is instead of getting worked up about it.

Yes, you are allowed, just as I am allowed to call it weird. See how both sides got their opinions out, rather than the pro-monarchy side wanting to silence anyone with a different opinion to theirs?

I think the ones worked up about it are the people who are super defensive after I said it is weird for Aussies/Americans to simp for British monarchy, I am just here minding my own business, mate

 

[Roylion]

So you can't find my quote. In other words you just made up what I supposedly said.

Here's what I said in 2020

 

[sherb]

Yes, you are allowed, just as I am allowed to call it weird. See how both sides got their opinions out, rather than the pro-monarchy side wanting to silence anyone with a different opinion to theirs?

I think the ones worked up about it are the people who are super defensive after I said it is weird for Aussies/Americans to simp for British monarchy, I am just here minding my own business, mate

You're not being silenced Cooldude.

 

[Number37]

If you can't answer my question just say so. How did Scott Morrison's actions relate to the reseerve powers vested in the monarch and exercised by the Governor-General?

61. Executive power

The executive power of the Commonwealth is vested in the Queen and is exercisable by the Governor-General as the Queen's representative, and extends to the execution and maintenance of this Constitution, and of the laws of the Commonwealth.

64. Ministers of State

The Governor-General may appoint officers to administer such departments of State of the Commonwealth as the Governor-General in Council may establish.

Such officers shall hold office during the pleasure of the Governor-General. They shall be members of the Federal Executive Council, and shall be the Queen's Ministers of State for the Commonwealth.

 

[Roylion]

61. Executive power

The executive power of the Commonwealth is vested in the Queen and is exercisable by the Governor-General as the Queen's representative, and extends to the execution and maintenance of this Constitution, and of the laws of the Commonwealth.

Well done. See? Now where did I claim the Queen had no power as you claimed? Could you point out exactly what I said and when I said it?

64. Ministers of State

The Governor-General may appoint officers to administer such departments of State of the Commonwealth as the Governor-General in Council may establish.

Such officers shall hold office during the pleasure of the Governor-General. They shall be members of the Federal Executive Council, and shall be the Queen's Ministers of State for the Commonwealth.

Yeah. So? And?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

If you can't answer my questioin just say so. How did Scott Morrison's actions relate to the reseerve powers vested in the monarch and exercised by the Governor-General?

This wiki explains reserve powers in a parliamentary system as

Reserve power - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

a reserve power is a power that may be exercised by the head of state without the approval of another branch or part of the government

The GG signed off on Scott Morrison's five ministerial positions without the knowledge of parliament and possibly with the knowledge of only one of the ministers whose portfolios were co-opted.

 

[eddiesmith]

Nothing is weirder than people simping for a politician and getting personally offended about jokes when they fall down the stairs!!!

Everyone has their vices, to actually care so much about them to go on and on and on for pages is even weirder!

 

[Number37]

Well done. See? Now where did I claim the Queen had no power as you claimed. Could you point out exactly what I said and when I said it?


Yeah. So? And?

We already went through this.
The Queen doesn't just have "reserve powers".
The Constitution vests Executive Power in the Queen.
Did you not listen to Charles' proclamation?
He said, he would give up his loot for the benefit of the people, as long as he cops a sling.
The Queen owns our arse.

 

[Roylion]

This wiki explains reserve powers in a parliamentary system as

I'm well aware of what is meant by reserve powers

The GG signed off on Scott Morrison's five ministerial positions without the knowledge of parliament and possibly with the knowledge of only one of the ministers whose portfolios were co-opted.

How does that relate to the reserve powers? What point are you trying to make exactly?

 

[Cooldude]

You're not being silenced Cooldude.

Not me, but the people who are using "respect for the dead" as a façade to stop anyone saying any home truths about the British Monarchy definitely are trying to stop some opinions they don't like

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

You have heard of reserve powers? In Australia they are vested in the monarch and exercised by the Governor-General on the rare occasion where they are needed.

Like when Mr Morrison needed five ministerial positions?

How does that relate to the reserve powers?

I was looking for clarification more than anything.

I'm well aware of what is meant by reserve powers


How does that relate to the reserve powers? What point are you trying to make exactly?

Clarification specifically of the reserve powers Mr Morrison sought to take advantage of. That's all.

 

[Roylion]

We already went through this.
The Queen doesn't just have "reserve powers".
The Constitution vests Executive Power in the Queen.

So where did I claim the Queen had no power as you claimed. Could you point out exactly what I said and when I said it? Or did you completely make it up.

Executive power is vested in the Sovereign but exercised by the Governor-General.

Ministers are appointed by the Governor-General, on the advice of the Prime Minister, who is the leader of the cabinet. In practice, the Federal Executive Council meets solely to endorse and give legal force to decisions already made by the Cabinet. The Federal Executive Council was established by the Constitution to advise the Crown.

Any reference to the Governor-General in Council in the Constitution or elsewhere refers to the Governor-General acting on and with the advice of the Executive Council.

The Acts Interpretation Act provides that where the Governor-General is referred to in an Act, the reference shall, unless the contrary intention appears, be read as referring to the Governor-General acting with the advice of the Executive Council.

'The Crown' is the legal embodiment of executive, legislative, and judicial governance in the monarchy of each country. It includes the monarch but is not limited to the monarch. The monarch is the 'personification of 'The Crown'

The Queen owns our arse.

We've gone through this before. It's incorrect.

 

[Roylion]

Clarification specifically of the reserve powers Mr Morrison sought to take advantage of.

How did seek to "take advantage' of the reserve powers?

The Governor-General's role is limited to acting on the advice of the government of the day, as he is required to do.

Any questions around secrecy after the Governor-General had acted on the advice of the government of the day is not the responsibility of the Governor-General to advise the broader ministry or parliament (or public) of administrative changes of the nature that Scott Morrison enacted. The Governor-General had no reason to believe that appointments would not be communicated.

 

[sherb]

Not me, but the people who are using "respect for the dead" as a façade to stop anyone saying any home truths about the British Monarchy definitely are trying to stop some opinions they don't like

The Queen, the royal family, the monarchy, republic, etc seems to be one of those issues which generates strong passions both for and against, so naturally debate (and the manner of debate) will reflect that, rightly or wrongly.

 

[Number37]

So where did I claim the Queen had no power as you claimed. Could you point out exactly what I said and when I said it? Or did you completely make it up.

Executive power is vested in the Sovereign but exercised by the Governor-General.

Ministers are appointed by the Governor-General, on the advice of the Prime Minister, who is the leader of the cabinet. In practice, the Federal Executive Council meets solely to endorse and give legal force to decisions already made by the Cabinet. The Federal Executive Council was established by the Constitution to advise the Crown.

Any reference to the Governor-General in Council in the Constitution or elsewhere refers to the Governor-General acting on and with the advice of the Executive Council.

The Acts Interpretation Act provides that where the Governor-General is referred to in an Act, the reference shall, unless the contrary intention appears, be read as referring to the Governor-General acting with the advice of the Executive Council.

'The Crown' is the legal embodiment of executive, legislative, and judicial governance in the monarchy of each country. It includes the monarch but is not limited to the monarch. The monarch is the 'personification of 'The Crown'


We've gone through this before. It's incorrect.

LOL.
Still doubling down with your Wiki bullshit.
Why would Charles make a proclamation that he would give it up, if it wasn't his?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

How did seek to "take advantage' of the reserve powers?

When you use powers, political powers, that can only be conferred by someone with that power, you can be said to be 'taking advantage' of the availability of said power.

Anthony Albanese could legally take advantage of these same powers if he asked the GG to sign off on tthem.

Again, I was asking for clarification from someone who seems quite knowledgeable on such things.