Analysis The Stats and nothing but the Stats

[Ticky009]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss AFL Stats. Primarily that would be the Swans, and obviously comparisons if that's what floats your boat.

If you're going to use multiple acronyms in your spreadsheets posts ensure you have a reference point for others to view.

 

[Ticky009]

From the practice match this arvo

 

[Nuggetz]

Sydney v GWS - Centre bounce stats​

RUCKS	CBAs	CBA %	Centre clearances
B. Grundy	23	76.7	2
H. McLean	7	23.3
K. Briggs	20	66.7	3
J. Riccardi	5	16.7
A. Cadman	5	16.7	1
SYDNEY MIDS
I. Heeney	15	50	2
L. Parker	15	50	2
C. Warner	17	56.7	3
J. Rowbottom	20	66.7	2
J. McInerney	6	20
J. Jordon	7	23.3	1
E. Gulden	6	20	1
A. Sheldrick	2	6.7
T. Papley	1	3.3
GWS MIDS
S. Coniglio	20	66.7	2
T. Green	26	86.7	2
J. Kelly	18	60	1
C. Ward	19	63.3	1
X. O'Halloran	6	20
T. Bedford	1	3.3

 

[Nuggetz]

Me seeing the thread title

 

[Kiama Chris]

Sydney v GWS - Centre bounce stats​

RUCKS	CBAs	CBA %	Centre clearances
B. Grundy	23	76.7	2
H. McLean	7	23.3
K. Briggs	20	66.7	3
J. Riccardi	5	16.7
A. Cadman	5	16.7	1
SYDNEY MIDS
I. Heeney	15	50	2
L. Parker	15	50	2
C. Warner	17	56.7	3
J. Rowbottom	20	66.7	2
J. McInerney	6	20
J. Jordon	7	23.3	1
E. Gulden	6	20	1
A. Sheldrick	2	6.7
T. Papley	1	3.3
GWS MIDS
S. Coniglio	20	66.7	2
T. Green	26	86.7	2
J. Kelly	18	60	1
C. Ward	19	63.3	1
X. O'Halloran	6	20
T. Bedford	1	3.3

CBA clearances 13-10. Not too bad against a very good ruck and midfield.

 

[Ticky009]

Green is a beast. He's easily going to be their best player soon.

 

[Ticky009]

 

[caesar88]

Potentially unpopular opinion - I think all of the tackles and one percenters which create turnovers that lead to scoring chains should be counted as part of that chain and credited as a score involvement, not just the possessions in it.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Potentially unpopular opinion - I think all of the tackles and one percenters which create turnovers that lead to scoring chains should be counted as part of that chain and credited as a score involvement, not just the possessions in it.

Not without some logic but horribly difficult to track through a ruck with multiple "tackles" and hard contacts. A bit like crediting blocks and shepherds. Some are critical and some meaningless.

 

[caesar88]

Not without some logic but horribly difficult to track through a ruck with multiple "tackles" and hard contacts. A bit like crediting blocks and shepherds. Some are critical and some meaningless.

The ones that are critical would be counted and the ones that are meaningless would not be. I think it's usually quite clear when a player is forced into turning the ball over to the opposition and when it's just an unforced error through poor execution of skills.

**** it. I might try to keep track of it this season.

 

[Ticky009]

Here's something to really get your teeth into.

 

[Kiama Chris]

The ones that are critical would be counted and the ones that are meaningless would not be. I think it's usually quite clear when a player is forced into turning the ball over to the opposition and when it's just an unforced error through poor execution of skills.

**** it. I might try to keep track of it this season.

Good luck. Life's too short.

 

[bloodsbigot]

Newb question: why's Grundy rank so highly compared to the rest regardless of getting fewer possessions?

 

[Kiama Chris]

Newb question: why's Grundy rank so highly compared to the rest regardless of getting fewer possessions?

Possessions is only one of the factors. Goals, behinds, hitouts, tackles etc all count into the algorithm. At a guess, I'd say his high hitout and tackle count would be significant.

 

[caesar88]

EVERYBODAYYY!

 

[bloodsbigot]

Possessions is only one of the factors. Goals, behinds, hitouts, tackles etc all count into the algorithm. At a guess, I'd say his high hitout and tackle count would be significant.

So I'm guessing tap outs are rated highly by the stats guys. If Grundy keeps ranking this high throughout the season it makes you wonder what Hickey and Ladhams were doing. (Hickey's body was shot).

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Can we track and rank average and top speed ?

I like fast players

 

[Big Blood]

The ones that are critical would be counted and the ones that are meaningless would not be. I think it's usually quite clear when a player is forced into turning the ball over to the opposition and when it's just an unforced error through poor execution of skills.

**** it. I might try to keep track of it this season.

Or just wait for the AI app. It 's not far away.

 

[Ticky009]

Do we have anything for the VFL match?

 

[Ed_Gein]

You know they say that all AFL teams are created equal, but you look at the Swans and you look at rest of the AFL and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another AFL team, you got a 50/50% chance of winning. But the Swans are a genetic freak and we're not normal! So you got a 25% chance, AT BEST, to beat us. Then you add an opposition to the mix, and their chances of winning go drastically down. They've got a 33 1/3% chance of winning, but we've got a 66 and 2/3% chance of winning, because the opposition KNOWS they can't beat us and they're not even gonna try! So whoever we play this season, take your 33 1/3% chance, minus our 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3% chance of winning against us. But then take our 75% chance of winning, and then add 66 2/3%, and we have a 141 2/3% chance of winning at anytime. You see, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for the opposition at any given time. But I'm gonna break it down for everyone. Would you rather be with the Swans? Or would you rather be with the opposition?

 

[rustycrate]

Where are the stats from the VFL game. Who kicked the goals? Who kicked behinds? Who had most possessions?
Slack from Swans not providing even the names of the players who played, let alone their stats.

 

[Ticky009]

 

[Ticky009]

 

[Ticky009]

Grundy 44% efficiency but I don't think anyone would dare say he had a bad game.

 

[Nuggetz]

Hitout to advantage %
Grundy: 39.4
Gawn: 21.6

No wonder Grundy helped us win clearances.