The Unofficial List Management thread... :-)

[sven_inc]

If Sicily was off to Carl, surely Clarko wouldn't be slowly turning him into an important feature of the backline?

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[Todman]

If Sicily was off to Carl, surely Clarko wouldn't be slowly turning him into an important feature of the backline?

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The old Kevin Sheedy trick.

Wanted to offload Danny Jacobs so he played him as the keyman in the backline to increase his value.

Sheedy dangled, Hawthorn bit.

 

[local hack]

Sicily is off to Carlton, part of a agreement with those late trade swaps that finally helped us get O'Meara.

I've also heard this from several sources - dislike.

 

[muston09]

I've also heard this from several sources - dislike.

I call bull**** on this, to valuable for such a deal, only a dingbat would do this!

 

[local hack]

I call bull**** on this, to valuable for such a deal, only a dingbat would do this!

Hope your call is correct

 

[local hack]

Burgoyne ain't going anywhere.

Next stop AFL hall of fame

 

[Books]

Sicily is off to Carlton, part of a agreement with those late trade swaps that finally helped us get O'Meara.

Dislike very much if true, but I seriously doubt that it would be.

The Hawk-phobic media made a fuss about us getting a freebie but consider the FACTS.
Last year was considered a good draft pool.
This year is considered a weak draft pool.
The GWS pick for this season was always expected to be VERY late in the second round. By the time compo picks are added, the GWS pick could easily be about #40.

Therefore - Pick 48 last year was probably equal to pick 40-ish this season.
Carlton had a choice of using pick 48 in a good draft last year, or waiting a year to have pick 40 in a weak draft. It was a no-brainer for them.
We gave Carlton two later picks as a "thanks" for helping us satisfy GC, but Carlton were not doing us a favour - they were securing themselves a good deal.

So any talk of us owing them some massive favour seems highly unlikely to me. If a player was supposed to be part of the deal, why wasn't he included in the deal last season?
The alleged rumour makes zero sense to me.

 

[Hauker]

Dislike very much if true, but I seriously doubt that it would be.

The Hawk-phobic media made a fuss about us getting a freebie but consider the FACTS.
Last year was considered a good draft pool.
This year is considered a weak draft pool.
The GWS pick for this season was always expected to be VERY late in the second round. By the time compo picks are added, the GWS pick could easily be about #40.

Therefore - Pick 48 last year was probably equal to pick 40-ish this season.
Carlton had a choice of using pick 48 in a good draft last year, or waiting a year to have pick 40 in a weak draft. It was a no-brainer for them.
We gave Carlton two later picks as a "thanks" for helping us satisfy GC, but Carlton were not doing us a favour - they were securing themselves a good deal.

So any talk of us owing them some massive favour seems highly unlikely to me. If a player was supposed to be part of the deal, why wasn't he included in the deal last season?
The alleged rumour makes zero sense to me.

Totally agree, when you look at the numbers I can't see how we owe them anything. Simply a swap of picks, can't see how a player like Sicily is thrown into the mix.

 

[Todman]

Dislike very much if true, but I seriously doubt that it would be.

The Hawk-phobic media made a fuss about us getting a freebie but consider the FACTS.
Last year was considered a good draft pool.
This year is considered a weak draft pool.
The GWS pick for this season was always expected to be VERY late in the second round. By the time compo picks are added, the GWS pick could easily be about #40.

Therefore - Pick 48 last year was probably equal to pick 40-ish this season.
Carlton had a choice of using pick 48 in a good draft last year, or waiting a year to have pick 40 in a weak draft. It was a no-brainer for them.
We gave Carlton two later picks as a "thanks" for helping us satisfy GC, but Carlton were not doing us a favour - they were securing themselves a good deal.

So any talk of us owing them some massive favour seems highly unlikely to me. If a player was supposed to be part of the deal, why wasn't he included in the deal last season?
The alleged rumour makes zero sense to me.

Would you accept a second round pick for him?

 

[Birdofprey]

Wasnt sure where to post but list mgt thread seemed right. They can f*** right off

Have heard this also. Not happy. We have lost a lot of people lately, and I feel like GW is important the next couple of years. Where we probably need most stability at the moment is in our recruitment planning and list management.

What facts do we have? GW is contracted to us to the end of 2018 I believe. What a contract is really "worth" these days, is another matter. But in principle, he still has next year to go with us.

 

[RobHawk]

Would you accept a second round pick for him?

Carlton do not possess a second round draft pick in the upcoming draft.And this nonsense about Sicily going to Carlton originated from last year's trading period when 2 separate things happened. The first was Carlton inquired about a possible trade for Sicily,which was obviously rejected.And secondly some days later we happened to trade draft picks with Carlton which may or may not have marginally favoured us. Someone has decided to link the two together and come up with a juicy if somewhat ridiculous rumour.

 

[Hawk_francais]

The way Sicily is going, he's indispensible.

We would love another tall forward in this year's draft/trade period. Then we'll probably just turn him into a defender haha.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

You don't sell when a player's value is on the way up...

 

[Books]

Would you accept a second round pick for him?

Not for Sicily. Not in this draft. No way.

 

[The German Hunter]

No way Carlton will go for Sicily, he's not from GWS

 

[Furn2]

Carlton have a deal for Sicily ?

Clarko to Bolts at trade week.

 

[Davo-27]

without Hodge and Gibson who i think will retire as well, here is where our list is at

Tall Defenders: (x5)
Frawley - 28y/o - 245gms
Stratton - 28 - 146
Brand - 23 - 21
Heatherley - 21 - 4
Burton - 20 - 18 (also a tall forw)

Med/Sml Defenders: (x9)
Burgoyne - 34 - 334 (also mid)
Birchall - 29 - 245
Whitecross - 27 - 102 (also sml forw)
Duryea - 26 - 94
Sicily - 22 - 37 (also med forw)
Hardwick - 20 - 13
Howe - 21 - 25 (also tagging mid)
Miles - 20 - 2 (also outside mid)
Morrison - 19 - 0

Inside Mid: (x6)
Shiels - 26 - 157
Mitchell - 24 - 80
Langford - 25 - 59 (also sml forw)
O'Meara - 23 - 48
Lovell - 20 - 2
Cousins** - 19 - 3

Outside Mid: (x5)
Smith - 28 - 150
Henderson - 28 - 102 (also med def)
Hartung - 22 - 56
O'Rourke - 23 - 18
Willsmore - 22 - 2

Tall Forw: (x5)
Roughead - 30 - 246
Gunston - 25 - 142
Schoenmakers - 26 - 105
O'Brien - 23 - 27
Lewis - 19 - 0

Med/Sml Forw: (x4)
Puopolo - 29 - 146
Rioli - 28 - 185
Breust - 26 - 154
Stewart - 20 - 6

Ruckmen: (x4)
McEvoy - 28 - 161
Vickery - 27 - 125 (also tall forw)
Ceglar - 26 - 50
Pittonet - 21 - 3

25 solid players going forward next year which means we should be competing for finals, generally you need 30+ solid players in your squad for top 4 and challenging for premierships

i like Howe and O'Brien, for me they are close to being regulars in the team.

regulars
fringe or up-and-coming

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

without Hodge and Gibson who i think will retire as well, here is where our list is at

Tall Defenders: (x5)
Frawley - 28y/o - 245gms
Stratton - 28 - 146
Brand - 23 - 21
Heatherley - 21 - 4
Burton - 20 - 18 (also a tall forw)

Med/Sml Defenders: (x9)
Burgoyne - 34 - 334 (also mid)
Birchall - 29 - 245
Whitecross - 27 - 102 (also sml forw)
Duryea - 26 - 94
Sicily - 22 - 37 (also med forw)
Hardwick - 20 - 13
Howe - 21 - 25 (also tagging mid)
Miles - 20 - 2 (also outside mid)
Morrison - 19 - 0

Inside Mid: (x6)
Shiels - 26 - 157
Mitchell - 24 - 80
Langford - 25 - 59 (also sml forw)
O'Meara - 23 - 48
Lovell - 20 - 2
Cousins** - 19 - 3

Outside Mid: (x6)
Smith - 28 - 150
Henderson - 28 - 102 (also med def)
Hartung - 22 - 56
O'Rourke - 23 - 18
Willsmore - 22 - 2

Tall Forw: (x5)
Roughead - 30 - 246
Gunston - 25 - 142
Schoenmakers - 26 - 105
O'Brien - 23 - 27
Lewis - 19 - 0

Med/Sml Forw: (x4)
Puopolo - 29 - 146
Rioli - 28 - 185
Breust - 26 - 154
Stewart - 20 - 6

Ruckmen: (x4)
McEvoy - 28 - 161
Vickery - 27 - 125 (also tall forw)
Ceglar - 26 - 50
Pittonet - 21 - 3

25 solid players going forward next year which means we should be competing for finals, generally you need 30+ solid players in your squad for top 4 and challenging for premierships

i like Howe and O'Brien, for me they are close to being regulars in the team.

regulars
fringe or up-and-coming

(Politely) I don't think your assessment of tall is quite right. I would have thought you would need to be able to play as a full back or centre half back on guys like Roo, Daniher, Kennedy, Walker, Dixon, Buddwah, Hogan, Cameron, Patton, Westoff, Levi Cas, Hawkins, Tippett, Bruce, etc to be considered a tall. For us, Frawley and Brand are the two, Burton can probably pinch hit (and has done well on Walker this year) but is generally better on the third talls, given he is only 191cm and most of the talls 195 - 200cm. Kiwi has openly stated he is not a key defender and more a medium one on the third talls. Stratts normally plays on the medium or small forwards (e.g. Betts, Garlett, Le Cras) or the resting mids.

We are very weak in the key position players at both ends of the ground for mine.

 

[Dank You Steven]

Did I miss something? When did Cyril have a kid?

Spot on - thought he did, but hasn't.

 

[lollihawk]

Spot on - thought he did, but hasn't.

You got me excited, had my fingers crossed it was a boy haha

 

[burner1]

I have a feeling there will a fair bit of turnover. I also note that arguably all of cousins, glass, hanrahan and potentially Nash may be upgraded to senior list (are list sizes changing?).

My guess on outs:
Retirees: Hodge, gibbo, Fitz (rookie)
Delisted: Miles, willsmore
Potential under pressure: JOR, heatherly, Stewart
Potential trades: pop, doc, WX, shoey (although need him for height) + a bigger name if we look to trade agggressively

 

[Kinghts 24]

List management, time for me to get into the details of the Hawks!

Retirees/Delistings: Hodge, Gibson will both retire. Fitzy will join Surman in giving up on the game, due to concussions. Teia Miles is a likely delisting and he'll probably be joined in that by Willsmore. How many players do we have to turn over a year? Put a lock on Burgers going on another year as we need that experience and he can perform any role.

Trades: Common call as of late, but I can see Puopolo going to Brisbane for a decent pick. Questions will definitely be asked of a few of our other players; expect external pressure on Stratton, and Schoenmakers will get a lot of interest as a free agent if he maintains this form. Hopefully enough that if he does move on, we net a decent compo.

Targets: Midfield depth. Don't be surprised if we go after a few smaller fish from clubs like St Kilda who have plenty of players to rotate through that area - or out of favour players from clubs like Melbourne. Jack Trengove anyone? As for big fish I'm expecting the Hawks will go hard at Martin, Kelly and Lever - in that order. Whether or not we get one or none, they will be pursued.

In terms of a realistic 2017 "First 22" based on players we already have listed - I can see this:

FB: Hardwick, Brand, Heatherly
HB: Birchall, Frawley, Burton
C: Hartung, Roughead, Smith
HF: Burgoyne, O'Brien, Henderson
FF: Rioli, Gunston, Breust
Foll: McEvoy, Mitchell, O'Meara
Int: Shiels, Sicily, O'Rourke, Ceglar

Obviously that last ruck position depends on team balance. McEvoy has shown a lot as the team's one true ruck with the occasional chop out from Rough or O'Brien; in that instance Ceglar could be interchanged for Lovell, potentially Cousins or Morrison (I've got a good feeling about that kid).

yeah the only one i am not 100% convinced about is Heatherley. Otherwise it's looks pretty solid.

 

[Pessimistic]

Heard 2018 draft will be a bonanza and deep. That may be the year to have a larger turnover. We had one in 2015. Every three years sounds about right

 

[Pessimistic]

Tall Forw: (x5)
Roughead - 30 - 246
Gunston - 25 - 142
Schoenmakers - 26 - 105
O'Brien - 23 - 27
Lewis - 19 - 0

I reckon Clarko will be pretty happy with his tall forward half players. Tall mobile good on the ground. All capable down back Rough is a go to man now like burgers

 

[tige19]

I have a feeling there will a fair bit of turnover. I also note that arguably all of cousins, glass, hanrahan and potentially Nash may be upgraded to senior list (are list sizes changing?).

My guess on outs:
Retirees: Hodge, gibbo, Fitz (rookie)
Delisted: Miles, willsmore
Potential under pressure: JOR, heatherly, Stewart
Potential trades: pop, doc, WX, shoey (although need him for height) + a bigger name if we look to trade agggressively

Would be complete craziness to delist Stewart and Jono in what is a weak weak draft year. That will save a few blokes.