Tom Boyd

[00Stinger]

Marchbank who's just requested a trade.

To be fair they have a shotload of good players who were first round draft picks, but cant break into the game. Will.probably package up the pick they get for him and trade it for a gun


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[Damon_3388]

It's the same with supercoach - it only measures what it measures. It doesn't measure how well a player has played, it only attempts to based on what it values.

As an aside, you do realise that the Champion Data Player Ranking Score is the scoring system for Supercoach, right?

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Imagine if he kicks 7 against the Swans and wins the Norm Smith.

Imagine.

But really, Bont will win it and the amount of Bulldog Jizz being pumped into the Bigfooty servers will see it crash until the 2017 season starts.

If we win i am picking Dunkley to win the NS

 

[krisholio14]

Had a monster game last night.

Basically, anyone who has been bagging out the deal to get him to the Dogs does not understand a damn thing about football.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

This is just turning into blind hatred now. It's starting to just look like bitters losers on a forum are jealous of a kids earnings.

I've thought all season that Mumford is the Giants most important player - it's a view that is also held by quite a few commentators.

And Boyd beat him cold last night. Other than Smith, Dahlhaus and maybe Wood, Boyd was the most important guy on the field, who had one of the greatest impacts. Not only was Mumford completely negated from having an impact, Boyd was excellent around the stoppages.

Most dogs people just ignore them now, its either they are just baiting or they really have no clue.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Midfielder?

Really?

He's useless when the ball is on the ground.

And you are useless analyzing AFL

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

After free kicks, hit outs are the most useless stat in the game. I'd be surprised if the Bulldogs have won any hitout H2Hs this season, and now they're in the Grand Final.

Dogs won the clearances 53-38.

Boyd had 14 touches to Mumfords 10.

Boyd had 5 clearances to Mumfords 4. (Boyd had 2 centre clearances to Mumfords 1.)

Boyd had 9 contested possessions compared to Mumfords 6.

Boyd had 4 I50s compared to Mumfords 1.

Boyd beat Mumford in every stat that matters for a ruckman last night (Mumford won the tackles, I guess you could argue that's important for a ruckman.) I'm only disappointed that AFL.com's stats don't include score involvements, cos I'm certain Boyd would've won that too.

Somebody making sense, i like you...

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

McCartin has come off early in games with concussion issues several times which has affected his SC scores.

You might realise that if you watched our games.

You have lost any credibility once you use super coach scores in an argument.

 

[krisholio14]

Somebody making sense, i like you...

Even if he didn't have a touch last night, Boyd did the one thing the Dogs absolutely needed him to do if they were going to win. He negated Mumfords physical influence, which is arguably the key element to the Giants game.

 

[bresker]

If you're satisfied with his output in the last 3 finals you're very easily pleased.

Call us easily pleased if you want but most Bulldogs fans are happy with all our players output at the moment. Bloody legends the lot of them

 

[Number37]

You guys didn't pay Tippett 900k to play in the ruck - and yet I don't reckon you, or many other people (and certainly not me!) would say that Tippett is overpaid based on how good his form was before he got injured this season.

I really think that ruckmen terribly undervalued if they add a lot around the ground (ala Gawn, Tippett), or if they can lead to you dominating clearances (ala Naitanui). There aren't 18 great ruckmen in the league, so if you can get a great one I think - and I reckon clubs would agree - they're worth all the money they can get, because you have a massive positional advantage over a lot of other teams.

Of course Boyd isn't in that category yet - his marking is the big flaw in his game when you compare him to Tippett - but I don't reckon the Dogs would consider him overpaid if he became a top 5 ruckman.

We didn't pay Tippo $900K full stop.

Boyd can't ruck. At best he 'provides a contest' which he did with aplomb last night.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Did you miss the part where I said regardless of SC scores I thought Mumford had a bigger influence than Boyd which I concluded from watching the game?

I'm not saying Boyd had no influence, he clearly restricted Mumford's influence and by his standards he had a decent game so I don't know what your problem is.

The problem is the beeping noise from your add on's and back tracking you mentioned super coach points first then when you got laughed at you changed direction and said "but apart from that i think he was poor". You instead of saying why he was not really influential, you just say its my opinion.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Boyd is growing as a player before our eyes and anyone that can't see that is a hater, plain and simple.

I noticed after that big mark and goal Lobb kicked he copped some sledging from GWS including Cameron who was chirpy for a player with a handful of possessions at the time. The next centre bounce he got up, won the hitout and put on a hard tackle to force another stoppage, the kid has heart and I wish Carlton got him he's going to be a star.

People need to stop rating him by what he earns, to wriggle him free of GWS and a supposed hand shake agreement with Carlton the Dogs had to offer big and he took what every single person on this forum would've taken as a 19 year old. Blame the Dogs for the money he earns not Tom Boyd you fools.

Not to mention the dogs front ended his payed contract and payed some of Griffs because they were struggling to meet the 95% of the cap. People still think we did a stupid thing. and yes we did up payments on the young stars we had also, but still was not going to reach the 95%

 

[Smooth Banana]

Mumford - 46 hitouts, 4 clearances, 6 tackles, 4 one percenters, 1 inside 50s

Boyd - 21 hitouts, 5 clearances, 2 tackles, 3 one percenters, 4 inside 50s

I honestly don't think Boyd out-played Mumford. How much that duel factored into the overall result is another thing, but I don't think that performance can reasonably be claimed as a win for Boyd over Mumford in the ruck. Yeah, he held his own and did a bit himself, but he also did nothing to nullify his opponent's usual impact and influence.

Not sure which game you were watching but Boyd did nullify Mumford. Stats do not mean shit, mummy clearly did not have the impact he usually does.

 

[HairyO]

Mumford - 46 hitouts, 4 clearances, 6 tackles, 4 one percenters, 1 inside 50s

Boyd - 21 hitouts, 5 clearances, 2 tackles, 3 one percenters, 4 inside 50s

I honestly don't think Boyd out-played Mumford. How much that duel factored into the overall result is another thing, but I don't think that performance can reasonably be claimed as a win for Boyd over Mumford in the ruck. Yeah, he held his own and did a bit himself, but he also did nothing to nullify his opponent's usual impact and influence.

He didnt have to outplay Mumford to be more important. If you can restrict Mumford then that massively restricts the GWS mids and that is where they are most dangerous. They rarely got the ball cleanly, which meant the Dogs mids were able to do their thing.

Its similar to when we played Collingwood in the final game with a ruck in his 1st game and another in his 4th. Grundy had an okay game but he was expected to dominate, so the win goes to the ruckmen who did better than expected.

If told beforehand that Roughead would go down early in the game, no-one would have predicted that Boyd would hold his own against Mumford.

 

[Mattdougie]

Where did I bag him? I said he had a decent game but I thought Mumford was more influential than him.

He wouldn't walk into the Saints team either when we have KPFs like Riewoldt, Bruce, Membrey and McCartin, they are all more effective KPFs than Boyd.



I said SC scores aren't the be all and end all but they are still a way of measuring a player's impact on the game, generally speaking if a player scores over 100 SC points which Mumford did it means that have played a pretty good game and been influential.

You just want to dismiss that though because it doesn't back up your argument that Boyd was more influential than Mumford.



Yes perhaps he should have had a bigger influence but he still had an influence, he was far from the worst GWS player, Cameron has that sewn up.

Roo is 64 years old
Bruce was average this year
McCartin is injured every week
Membrey? Who?

Would walk into your team

And you bagged him don't back away from it

 

[Giant Pete]

I'd easily take Lobb over Boyd.

 

[andrewb]

Roo is 64 years old
Bruce was average this year
McCartin is injured every week
Membrey? Who?

Would walk into your team

And you bagged him don't back away from it

Boyd played a good game last night but he would be 6th in line for a spot at St Kilda behind reiwoldt, Bruce, hickey, McCartin and Membrey.

He wouldn't have played last night if Redpath was fit and Redpath wouldn't get a game at the saints.

 

[JeffDunne]

Roo is 64 years old
Bruce was average this year
McCartin is injured every week
Membrey? Who?

Would walk into your team

And you bagged him don't back away from it

Now you're being ridiculous.

FWIW, Roo is younger than Matthew Boyd.

 

[underthestars]

Certainly didn't beat Mumford, but certainly negated him. Very important game from Boyd - been a big improvement in these finals. No doubt the Doggies need a ruckman and will still be wanting him to live up to his potential as a forward. Nice to know he will be a more than serviceable backup ruck though. For where he is at I doubt any Doggie fan would be anything but very happy with him in recent games.

 

[Mattdougie]

Now you're being ridiculous.

FWIW, Roo is younger than Matthew Boyd.

And he is your best or second best player STILL and gives your other KPS space.

Let's see how they go when he is gone

 

[Mattdougie]

Boyd played a good game last night but he would be 6th in line for a spot at St Kilda behind reiwoldt, Bruce, hickey, McCartin and Membrey.

He wouldn't have played last night if Redpath was fit and Redpath wouldn't get a game at the saints.

Well everything here is wrong because Boyd is a KPF that can play ruck effectively unlike Roo, Bruce, McCartin and Membery

And Boyd would have played last nite, he was in front of Red when Red went down and Cordy is the one that came in to fill that spot.

But thanks for playing

 

[hawkman]

When Cordy went into the ruck Mumford's influence rose. When Boyd was in there Mumford's influence was negated

 

[nobbyiscool]

As an aside, you do realise that the Champion Data Player Ranking Score is the scoring system for Supercoach, right?

And there are plenty of people as highly critical of CD as I am, and plenty who are even more critical.

 

[andrewb]

Well everything here is wrong because Boyd is a KPF that can play ruck effectively unlike Roo, Bruce, McCartin and Membery

And Boyd would have played last nite, he was in front of Red when Red went down and Cordy is the one that came in to fill that spot.

But thanks for playing

Seriously? Your dearth of talls is the reason he was worth $1m a season to you. Jake Carlisle would play forward/ruck for the saints before you'd give Boyd the job, did a serviceable job for us a few years back, I think he kicked 8 and took 20 marks against you blokes. Seventh in line.

He will probably come good in a few years but at the moment he's an ordinary player who played a solid game last night.