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[CatToTheFuture]

Im pretty sure all three clubs can do those deals separately but yes it could be linked.
It might be as simple as port get a mid 2nd for georgiades (or a similar player) forward that to us for sav and we forward that pick and maybe a later pick to carlton for tdk.

Reckon Port would do better than that for Georgiades but yeah, should be pretty simple

 

[CatToTheFuture]

They've got what, pick 4 at the moment? That + the boy for our future 3rd, get it done quick.

You only get one Jack Bowes in your lifetime and I've had mine

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Reckon Port would do better than that for Georgiades but yeah, should be pretty simple

Acl will probably lower his value but you could be right. Either way they are straightforward deals.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Sounds like Geelong is the destination. Interested to see how they get it done though, 3rd team likely I reckon. Feel the Blues will be looking to move on the Suns first rounder so some picks that help us get to that might be what the doctor ordered.

F2 is what I'm told. If it's not that it'll involve sav imho.

 

[bird_man]

You trade a 21 yr old ruckman if you want your career as a list manager to last 30 seconds.

Carlton had a retiring Kruezer and sfa depth behind him, no one in their right mind is trading away his most likely replacement and leaving the list with a giant hole. Even now you would do it only if your hand was forced, christ were playing with lewis young in the ruck who is a liability for the 2nd week in a row anything we got for tdk would have to be spent on a replacement

He wasn't 21 last year and Kruezer wasn't on your list.

No doubt it would have upset a few fans at the time but would look like a genius move now his value has dropped.

My point is, he may have got some decent offers in the past but you can't expect this same offers to be there now. He's 24, still shown very little and is uncontracted.

 

[Skull Face]

Well you said he'd get sacked in 30 seconds. That was 14 years ago

Obviously got compromising photos of someone important

 

[Skull Face]

He wasn't 21 last year and Kruezer wasn't on your list.

No doubt it would have upset a few fans at the time but would look like a genius move now his value has dropped.

My point is, he may have got some decent offers in the past but you can't expect this same offers to be there now. He's 24, still shown very little and is uncontracted.

What were we being offered for him last year? You want us to trade away the only ruckman we had on the park for half the year? The mind boggels

I don't even think we had 10 hitouts to halftime last week playing lewis young in there, thats the limit of our depth behind Pittonet and TDK atm and you think it would have been a genius move to have to do that for half the season? Trading him would be stupid even now, it would force us to overpay to get in a backup ruck whos going to be worse than tom without the upside, we should hold him for 3 years and draft some ruck depth to replace him unless he requests out the door.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Obviously got compromising photos of someone important

Are you suggesting Steven Wells has not got to where he is on talent?

The internet has peaked ladies and gentlemen. Pack it up. We won't do better than this.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

What were we being offered for him last year? You want us to trade away the only ruckman we had on the park for half the year? The mind boggels

I don't even think we had 10 hitouts to halftime last week playing lewis young in there, thats the limit of our depth behind Pittonet and TDK atm and you think it would have been a genius move to have to do that for half the season? Trading him would be stupid even now, it would force us to overpay to get in a backup ruck whos going to be worse than tom without the upside, we should hold him for 3 years and draft some ruck depth to replace him unless he requests out the door.

I cannot stress enough here that Geelong has played spud rucks for a decade now. We've missed finals once, gone top 4 nearly every other year, and have a premiership from two GF appearances over that period.

You'll be fine

 

[bird_man]

What were we being offered for him last year? You want us to trade away the only ruckman we had on the park for half the year? The mind boggels

I don't even think we had 10 hitouts to halftime last week playing lewis young in there, thats the limit of our depth behind Pittonet and TDK atm and you think it would have been a genius move to have to do that for half the season? Trading him would be stupid even now, it would force us to overpay to get in a backup ruck whos going to be worse than tom without the upside, we should hold him for 3 years and draft some ruck depth to replace him unless he requests out the door.

Actually I never said Carlton should have traded him. What I did say is that if you want a big deal for him you have missed your chance.

Expecting a huge offer for a 2nd ruck that is 24, not playing great footy and not contracted is ridiculous.

 

[Skull Face]

Actually I never said Carlton should have traded him. What I did say is that if you want a big deal for him you have missed your chance.

Expecting a huge offer for a 2nd ruck that is 24, not playing great footy and not contracted is ridiculous.

Fairytailing your own argument? I never said we will get a huge offer for him I said we shouldnt trade him at all

 

[Skull Face]

Are you suggesting Steven Wells has not got to where he is on talent?

The internet has peaked ladies and gentlemen. Pack it up. We won't do better than this.

I mean id have sacked him for that mumford trade, might have cost you 5 in a row

 

[Skull Face]

I cannot stress enough here that Geelong has played spud rucks for a decade now. We've missed finals once, gone top 4 nearly every other year, and have a premiership from two GF appearances over that period.

You'll be fine

You play spud rucks but they can at least get around the ground and take a contested mark on occasion and force a contest in the ruck, we have to play a defender and an undersize forward in the ruck.

Happy to come back in here and admit I was wrong should we win clearances vs Darcy + Jackson playing Young + Silvangi but I dont see it happening

 

[bird_man]

Fairytailing your own argument? I never said we will get a huge offer for him I said we shouldnt trade him at all

Not sure what you are on about?

The original post of mine you quoted wasn't even a discussion between us, it was replying to another poster. You've managed to spin it around into something that it isn't now. I never said you suggested you'd get a huge offer. Maybe go back dand read what I originally said and you might understand.

 

[Skull Face]

Not sure what you are on about?

The original post of mine you quoted wasn't even a discussion between us, it was replying to another poster. You've managed to spin it around into something that it isn't now. I never said you suggested you'd get a huge offer. Maybe go back dand read what I originally said and you might understand.

You have made a series of posts implying we should have traded him at an unspecificed time and place but you aren't telling us we should have traded him

All I quoted you to say was it would have been stupid for us to offload him when Geelong came looking so its rather irrelevant what was on the table vs what is on the table which led you to change the goalposts to trading him last year which is an odd hill to die on, potential at 23 but by 24 should be performing so worthless on the trade table (Im sure you will probably come back at this with I never said he is worthless now, I get it you struggle with commitment).

Then your last 2 posts have been about us missing our chance with the trade value so I called you out on fairytailing your own argument because I've never once mentioned what he should be worth on the trade table and I get tired of people inventing an argument rather then responding to what was said.

Now if you want to have that discussion about his worth by all means go have it with the guy you were talking to before me, if you can bother to come up with a good reason why we should have left our ruck stocks in tatters by trading him thats what im here for.

 

[bird_man]

You have made a series of posts implying we should have traded him at an unspecificed time and place but you aren't telling us we should have traded him

All I quoted you to say was it would have been stupid for us to offload him when Geelong came looking so its rather irrelevant what was on the table vs what is on the table which led you to change the goalposts to trading him last year which is an odd hill to die on, potential at 23 but by 24 should be performing so worthless on the trade table (Im sure you will probably come back at this with I never said he is worthless now, I get it you struggle with commitment).

Then your last 2 posts have been about us missing our chance with the trade value so I called you out on fairytailing your own argument because I've never once mentioned what he should be worth on the trade table and I get tired of people inventing an argument rather then responding to what was said.

Now if you want to have that discussion about his worth by all means go have it with the guy you were talking to before me, if you can bother to come up with a good reason why we should have left our ruck stocks in tatters by trading him thats what im here for.

No, I not once said you should have traded him

What I said is that Carlton missed the boat if they want a high price for him because he's not worth much now

Think I've pointed that out 3 times now. Really not that hard to understand...

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I mean id have sacked him for that mumford trade, might have cost you 5 in a row

Well history suggests that would have been a bad move

 

[Skull Face]

No, I not once said you should have traded him

What I said is that Carlton missed the boat if they want a high price for him because he's not worth much now

Think I've pointed that out 3 times now. Really not that hard to understand...

For the 85th time I have not once discussed with you his value at the trade table, respond to what I said or go annoy someone else with your fairytale bullshit.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

What were we being offered for him last year? You want us to trade away the only ruckman we had on the park for half the year? The mind boggels

I don't even think we had 10 hitouts to halftime last week playing lewis young in there, thats the limit of our depth behind Pittonet and TDK atm and you think it would have been a genius move to have to do that for half the season? Trading him would be stupid even now, it would force us to overpay to get in a backup ruck whos going to be worse than tom without the upside, we should hold him for 3 years and draft some ruck depth to replace him unless he requests out the door.

What choice do you have? He doesn't want to be there.

Honestly, just pick up a Jordan Sweet type and you'll be fine.

FWIW, half our board would rather us do that then go for TDK. He's not the difference between where you guys are and where you want to be.

 

[Skull Face]

Well history suggests that would have been a bad move

If you say so, I'd take Mumford anyway

 

[Skull Face]

What choice do you have? He doesn't want to be there.

Honestly, just pick up a Jordan Sweet type and you'll be fine.

FWIW, half our board would rather us do that then go for TDK. He's not the difference between where you guys are and where you want to be.

If he goes he goes idc I'm simply stating it would be a bad move to move him on with no backup from our side.

If we're forced to this year then whatever we get for him gets wasted on a replacement but it still doesn't change the fact trading him in prior years regardless of what we would have received would have been a mistake.

 

[bird_man]

The ruck merry go round has been going on for years and will continue. Don't think it will be a huge loss for Carlton and they shouldn't have any trouble finding a similar replacement

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The ruck merry go round has been going on for years and will continue. Don't think it will be a huge loss for Carlton and they shouldn't have any trouble finding a similar replacement

Agreed. Could end up a gun some years down the track but still don't really care if he goes or not. Plenty of capable rucks around who cost half the price.

 

[Forty3]

Instead of giving me an essay, just name one player who requested a trade, and was then forced to go to a club he didn't want to go to. That's my whole point.

I'll see myself out.

Bryce Gibbs
Tristan Xerri
Esava Ratugolea
Jeremy Sharp
Hunter Clark
Bobby Hill (bombers)
Rory Lobb (return to GWS)
Tom Papley
Josh Dunkley (Bombers)

Off the top of my head, I’m sure there are many many more.

 

[botts]

Bryce Gibbs
Tristan Xerri
Esava Ratugolea
Jeremy Sharp
Hunter Clark
Bobby Hill (bombers)
Rory Lobb (return to GWS)
Tom Papley
Josh Dunkley (Bombers)

Off the top of my head, I’m sure there are many many more.

Hunter Clark didn’t request shite