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Dave The Man said:
What is so Secreat about the Other Forum?
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Stone cutters ep in the simpsons DTM

kinda like that if you have seen it.

really i have no idea mate
 
Daniel Price said:
Now that is news to me and makes me feel very very nice :D



im guessing u havent done shuttle runs on basketball courts before. The surface may be flat but its rock hard and impacts ur knees more then doing it on grass. Anyone can do a knee on grass if the foot lands in a pot hole or whatever.
Clearly AFL game day is completely different. Look at Bucks, he could get through training with him hammie but then in a match situation his leg couldnt handle it. I do however think match conditions isnt that much of a issue when it comes to knees compared to soft tissue injuries.
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Hello? Going 100%? No one tackles you when you are trying to turn in the beep test.

FWIW, I do beep tests every year for clients. You know when and where you have to turn, it is quite easy on the joints compared to playing footy and suddenly have to turn to avoid opponents or being bumped or pushed when running.

The beep test is nowhere near match conditions.
 
^ Inclined to agree with that. The conditions of the beep test are strictly controlled, nothing like match day.
 
Is it true Swift did not take part in the agility test at draft camp? I'm not sure what to make of that. Perhaps he didn't want to risk it, but there will eventually come a time where he has to. Or perhaps his confidence wasn't 100% so he felt he couldn't produce the result he is capable of. Although I understand many players didn't take part in various tests for different reasons. It's not a big deal, but the agility one would be the one i'd be most interested in regarding swift. Either way, match conditions will be the true test.
 
A couple of things. Firstly re the knees and what the testing tells us. The fact that he has done to different injuries too two different knees suggest more bad luck then bad knees. If you watch the footage of the way he actually did it originally it's not like it buckles out of no where like Burton's did against us this year. He came down on it terribly and no ones knee would have stood up to that sort of landing. The second more minor injury may well have been from extra strain he put gaurding the other one general wear and tear who knows.

Secondly, you don't forget how to play football. The general understanding of the game etc doesn't leave you. At AFL level older players struggle because the game changes and gets faster and they miss it. For a kid with all the time in the world to adapt that is not an issue. What is an issue is if his lost mobility, pace etc. The draft camp results say he hasn't.

We have the luxury of sitting him on the training track for 6 months and giving him 6 months in the VFL if we feel we really need to like we did with Dawes.
 
If you weren't on the T Swift bandwagon yet....

Swift mover a draft bolter

www.afl.com.au

AFTER opting for part-time study so he could dedicate time to football, eight games in 2008 was hardly the return highly-rated draft prospect Tom Swift was hoping for.

But not rushing back late in the season in a bid to further impress AFL recruiters might yet be the smartest decision the then 17-year-old university student made during an injury-plagued two years.

Swift is considered among the best midfielders on offer in Saturday’s NAB AFL Draft but has endured a frustrating two years.

In 2007, on the eve of leaving for South Africa with the AIS-AFL Academy squad, the talented West Australian ruptured an anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee.

He returned to the fold in 2008 but his knee troubles didn’t stop there. This time it was his right knee that buckled in WA’s final scratch match before the NAB AFL U18 championships.

Again Swift missed the season but there was some good news - the knee was not structurally damaged and there was no need for surgery.

“I guess I’m in a unique situation,” Swift said ahead of Saturday’s draft.

“I haven’t played too much footy over the last couple of years, so I’m sort of pretty excited to just to get into it and start playing again.

“If my name gets called out I’ll get that opportunity. Yeah, I’m a bit nervous but [the feeling is] more just excitement, I guess.”

Some might have seen Swift’s second knee blow as more heartbreaking than his first setback.

However the youngster, who graduated from the AIS-AFL Academy alongside Trent Cotchin, Nicholas Naitanui and Hamish Hartlett, thinks he has come through the process a stronger person.

“In a way I was prepared for it [the second injury], having done the other knee,” he said.

“I guess in terms of this last injury and any injuries I have in the future, it’s sort of prepared me pretty well for whatever’s to come and I know the process now.

“Someone who’s never had an injury and comes into an AFL club and injures themself might not know how to handle it as well as I do, so I guess that’s a positive I can take out of it.”

The Collingwood supporter worked hard to overcome both injuries and, despite a limited preparation, surprised even himself with an impressive display at the AFL Draft Camp in October.

Those performances further convinced AFL recruiters of Swift’s athletic ability that had earlier surfaced not only on the footy field but also in the pool, tennis court and athletics track.

Talent scouts have long noticed Swift’s smarts on the ground but the 191cm midfielder doesn’t leave his brains behind when coming off the field.

Outside football, a part-time science studies might lead to a degree in engineering or possibly economics.

The son of two doctors, Swift says there has never been any pressure to follow in the footsteps of mum and dad.

“They’ve (my parents) always been supportive of whatever I want to do,” Swift said.

“At the moment the last thing I want to be is a doctor, I’ve already told them that.

“At the moment they’re probably a bit more excited about it [this weekend] than I am.”

Another person excited by Swift’s prospects is AFL Youth and High Performance Co-ordinator Jason McCartney.

“Tommy will be a really interesting one come draft day because he was in our AIS/AFL Academy last year and Daniel Rich was in that side at the time and I believe there wasn't much difference between the two of them,” McCartney said.

“What happened with Tom though was he did his knee in our first game in Perth on the way to South Africa and spent 12 months off in rehab. Coming back this year he had a setback with his opposite knee.

“He's a super intelligent kid and didn't miss a session in his rehab; he's very diligent in his preparation and has a high work ethic. So when he came to Draft Camp his speed was good and his beep test was good as well.

“He didn't end up playing, not because of the knee, but he's 191 cm now and he's had some growing pains with that. He's virtually missed nearly two years of footy, but I think he might surprise a few people with how high he gets taken.

“Tom sets really high standards for himself and he just wants to achieve.”
 

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Barwick17 said:
Hello? Going 100%? No one tackles you when you are trying to turn in the beep test.

FWIW, I do beep tests every year for clients. You know when and where you have to turn, it is quite easy on the joints compared to playing footy and suddenly have to turn to avoid opponents or being bumped or pushed when running.

The beep test is nowhere near match conditions.
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i know its not the same as match conditions but if there were any issues he would have felt it playing in those 2 games in the WAFL and then doing the draft camp.
He reckons he's good as gold, medicos think he is good as gold. There shouldnt be any issue here.
2 seperate knee incidents, 1 contact, the other a bad landing and has come back and done everything asked of him. If he is overlooked because of a "feeling" he may be injury prone then that is ridiculous
 
People say we don't want a another "Lee Walker" on our list, which is fine, but it is all about risk and return. I'd risk a small chance at a "Lee Walker" for a reasonable chance at a "Joel Selwood".

Knee injuries generally aren't career threatening (ie many more players have had them and recovered than those who have had them and had to retire).

I pray that we take a punt on Swift. Everyone was saying at the start of the off-season that they wanted a quick, skillful inside midfielder who could also play outside. Throw in that he is tall, has potential leadership abilities, and was possibly the top ranked youngster of his age group immediately before injury, and it is a lock.
 
King Woodie said:
People say we don't want a another "Lee Walker" on our list, which is fine, but it is all about risk and return. I'd risk a small chance at a "Lee Walker" for a reasonable chance at a "Joel Selwood".

Knee injuries generally aren't career threatening (ie many more players have had them and recovered than those who have had them and had to retire).

I pray that we take a punt on Swift. Everyone was saying at the start of the off-season that they wanted a quick, skillful inside midfielder who could also play outside. Throw in that he is tall, has potential leadership abilities, and was possibly the top ranked youngster of his age group immediately before injury, and it is a lock.
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Licca did 2 knees early in his career and had no more trouble.
 

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i think the fact he barracks for collingwood is a significant factor moreso for the fact that it would quell the fears that recruiters might have of him wanting to head back west after a few years on the list, whilst recruiters say they dont look at that stuff i am sure it would play into their heads if they were comparing say a kid from perth and a kid from queensland and they were pretty much dead even, you'd want the one who was more likely to stick around. i dont like getting involved in predraft predictions as most are usually wrong (it only takes one pick to completely change the landscape of the draft) but from reading that article and his draft camp results he sounds like a decent player, both athletic and intelligent, the thing i would need to be sure of is - can he kick a football? and i mean how good are his football skills, not just his running ability. other than that he sounds like a nice get if he comes our way!
 
Al Scorcho said:
i think the fact he barracks for collingwood is a significant factor moreso for the fact that it would quell the fears that recruiters might have of him wanting to head back west after a few years on the list, whilst recruiters say they dont look at that stuff i am sure it would play into their heads if they were comparing say a kid from perth and a kid from queensland and they were pretty much dead even, you'd want the one who was more likely to stick around. i dont like getting involved in predraft predictions as most are usually wrong (it only takes one pick to completely change the landscape of the draft) but from reading that article and his draft camp results he sounds like a decent player, both athletic and intelligent, the thing i would need to be sure of is - can he kick a football? and i mean how good are his football skills, not just his running ability. other than that he sounds like a nice get if he comes our way!
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He's supposed to be a great kick both sides of the body. From those you-tube clips i'd say this is true as well. More or less a complete midfielder.
 
Must admit Swift does look good, would fit in our midfield very nicely.

As long as the medicos pass him I would try & disregard his injury problems. You only have to look at the recruiters kicking themselves for letting Judd & Selwood slip down the order on the basis of junior injuries. Injuries can happen to anyone at anytime of their career - most of the time its pot luck.

Therefore disregarding the injury risk if Hine sees him as the best available at that point then get him. But surprises happen and he may be taken earlier which gives us an oppurtunity at another good player or someone may jump into the top 10 & give us a harder choice between Swift & another quality kid.

I would hope we have a crack at a midfielder like Swift or Sidebottom.
 
Booyeahbaby said:
Hartlett is the one we need to slide.. clearance specialist.. one of the top 3 or 4 for skills.. lets keep talking Swift up so North take him and leave Hartlett open
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I bet ya Hartlett is gone by pick 4. He will most likely be at Port next year.
 

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