List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 3

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COLLINGWOOD has a decision to make.

Does it stick or twist in 2020?

There's no doubt its current crop is good enough to challenge for a premiership.

It was one solitary kick away from claiming that elusive flag last season, while it was one poor third quarter away from being in a position to challenge once again this year.

But its preliminary final exit on Saturday evening leaves the Pies facing a tough choice.

Do they need to reinvent themselves to take that next step? And if so, how can they do it?

As of 7.30pm on Saturday night, Collingwood found itself as one of 16 sides now left with the challenge of considering how it improves this summer. It's a unique task that the Magpies face and one they might find more difficult than most given their situation.

They have a tight salary cap squeeze next year, with four of their most important and influential players uncontracted beyond season's end, at the same time they are without blue-chip draft picks.

Should Collingwood decide to retool and rejig, bold and difficult decisions in regard to its current list might need to be made, while creative ways of bringing in new blood will need to be found.

Veteran duo Daniel Wells and Tyson Goldsack have already called it quits. Ben Reid and Lynden Dunn – both over 30 and with questionable injury records – might soon follow suit.

It leaves livewire forward and free agent Jamie Elliott – courted by Melbourne and with plenty still to give at AFL level – as the key player Collingwood might have to part with, purely in order to give itself some wriggle room to improve in other key areas of the field.

It won't start at November's NAB AFL Draft until pick No.34 – having parted with its first selection to secure Dayne Beams from Brisbane last year – though could earn another pick should Elliott depart, depending on the length and value of the contract he finds elsewhere.

Whether the Pies hold on to such potential picks, or give them up, is another question.

On Saturday's evidence, they need key-position forward depth. Mason Cox was injured, though has had his consistency questioned at times this year, while the duo of Reid and Brody Mihocek failed to provide a genuine four-quarter threat throughout the encounter.

Together, they combined for just six disposals all game.

But how the club manages to find that depth, internally or from elsewhere, is a mystery.

Then there's the other option on the table. Nathan Buckley sticks with what he's got, hopes for better luck with injuries and goes again with the same group. Even that has its challenges.

Brodie Grundy, Jordan De Goey and Darcy Moore will be the most lucrative trade targets on the market throughout next year, given all three are uncontracted beyond season 2020.

Grundy has already spoken publicly of the lure that a return to his home state of South Australia presents, De Goey has attracted offers in excess of $1 million per season before, while the Western Bulldogs have already signalled their interest in trying to poach Moore.

Already facing a relatively tight salary cap squeeze as it is, the task of keeping them was laid bare in August when AFL.com.au reported that industry sources believe the Pies will need to find an extra $650,000 to $750,000 in their budget to retain all three of the important trio.

Then there's captain Scott Pendlebury, who is also out of contract next season.

A number of other key stars are locked away for their best years, while the list itself is young enough, talented enough and resilient enough to launch another flag tilt in 2020.

Finding that something extra is where the challenge lies.

Is it natural growth from the youngsters? Is it the pain of last year's Grand Final and this season's preliminary final providing the current crop with additional motivation? Or can the list management team conjure something special during the AFL Trade Period?

Regardless, it makes Collingwood's summer situation fascinating to watch.
 
I agree with what you have stated... in Theory

But that appears the mentality at Collingwood that near enough is good enough
We were less than a goal from premiership in 1964
We were unlucky with the bounce of the ball in 1966
We were gazumped in 1970
We should have won 1972
If only Carman had not got rubbed out in 1977
Bloody Harmes in 1979
We led for 3 quarters in 1981
Pebbles kick was a goal in 2003
We were less than a kick from the GF in 2007
We were robbed in 2018
In 2019, we were unlucky with some umpiring decisions.... if only

I call Bull***t. A hell of a lot went wrong for us this year. Injuries and poor form. Our midfield as a collective failed to fire. We lacked avenues to goal. Before yesterday's last quarter we had kicked 3 goals in our last 4 quarters of football. In 14 games (incl finals) we failed to kick more than 80 points. More often than not if Brodie didn't kick goals, neither did the team.

We were gifted an easier finals draw thanks to the Hawks. We played Geelong... who were lucky to finish where they did. We played Giants at the MCG where they had only won 3 times in their history and without 3 of their best 5 players... yet.

Making GF's is not easy, however in the past 40 years the Hawks have been in 15, winning 10, plus 5 night GF's. Successful teams are ruthless. They seem to move their players on at the right time. (Yet, they remain the destination club). Something which we have been and remain poor at. We revere our players and overlook their shortcomings, yet we are not a destination club... why?

Our current list will not win us a Premiership. When it counted yesterday, our midfield again collectively failed to fire a shot. C'mon Pies, be brave at the Trade Table
What do you suggest? Sincere question, I’m not being smart.
 

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True, he strikes me as a pretty loyal bloke, be very surprised if he walks.

I think it's no guarantee that Billy will be at the Pies next year. Our needs to go that extra step are clear. We have Stephenson and De Goey to fill the small/medium forward roles. We do however require a key forward and a pure/quick crumbing forward eg. Papley, in this trade draft period.
Also cap space we need to open up, and we are no where near the Melbourne offer to Billy, in terms of money and length of contract.
 
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We clearly need a key position forward, the fact losing Cox hurt our side even though he's so inconsistent shows just how badly we lack in that area of the list. Checkers has his moments but is ultimately a battler. Our midfield is probably the most disappointing. We lack some real spark and power, and can't always rely on the same players to get us out of trouble.

Phillips is one that I honestly think should be traded. He has value and we have other options for the wing at Sidebottom Mayne and even Crisp and Stephenson. Get IQ going and Maynard into the middle. It's time to be brave and reinvigorate this side.
 
We clearly need a key position forward, the fact losing Cox hurt our side even though he's so inconsistent shows just how badly we lack in that area of the list. Checkers has his moments but is ultimately a battler. Our midfield is probably the most disappointing. We lack some real spark and power, and can't always rely on the same players to get us out of trouble.

Phillips is one that I honestly think should be traded. He has value and we have other options for the wing at Sidebottom Mayne and even Crisp and Stephenson. Get IQ going and Maynard into the middle. It's time to be brave and reinvigorate this side.

I don't know why the List Mangement keep Ignoring KPF when we been Screaming for one since Cloke Left
 
We clearly need a key position forward, the fact losing Cox hurt our side even though he's so inconsistent shows just how badly we lack in that area of the list. Checkers has his moments but is ultimately a battler. Our midfield is probably the most disappointing. We lack some real spark and power, and can't always rely on the same players to get us out of trouble.

Phillips is one that I honestly think should be traded. He has value and we have other options for the wing at Sidebottom Mayne and even Crisp and Stephenson. Get IQ going and Maynard into the middle. It's time to be brave and reinvigorate this side.

Phillips is an interesting one. Has good attributes but also has his flaws. Think he would appeal to clubs crying out for outside run.

The thing with Phillips is, he's not overly "quick" he just racks up good K's each week. And while he is a good gatherer of the ball his use is not damaging enough to be dangerous or clean enough to complete attacking passes.

I could see someone like Shaz, Stephenson, or even Pendlebury playing in the role without losing much, other than really good distance running, which is something that can be built and developed.
 
We need to see guys next year take a step forward, mainly Murphy, Daicos, Quaynor, Kelly, Tyler Brown and maybe even Wilson with a preseason under his belt. I'm hoping to see these guys play senior footy next year, and not stagnate in the VFL. I really believe Keane will be a senior player next year. His growth has been so impressive.
 
I don't know why the List Mangement keep Ignoring KPF when we been Screaming for one since Cloke Left

I imagine Clokey himself was screaming for another tall who could take the pressure off towards the end. Had a career year in 2011 with Dawes and Brown as support.
 
If there was any doubt about Jamie Elliott’s importance to this team it showed again yesterday.
The only forward moving, the only forward clean grabbing and marking his opportunities and still has all the attributes to be the best player in that forward mix.

He’s 27....give him the 3 years if that’s what it takes.
 
We clearly need a key position forward, the fact losing Cox hurt our side even though he's so inconsistent shows just how badly we lack in that area of the list. Checkers has his moments but is ultimately a battler. Our midfield is probably the most disappointing. We lack some real spark and power, and can't always rely on the same players to get us out of trouble.

Phillips is one that I honestly think should be traded. He has value and we have other options for the wing at Sidebottom Mayne and even Crisp and Stephenson. Get IQ going and Maynard into the middle. It's time to be brave and reinvigorate this side.
I agree with everything except Mayne isn’t a good enough option on the wing.
 

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If we are serious about freeing up cap space and retaining our better players then there’s no way next season we should have names such as Varcoe, Dunn, Reid etc on the list.
Even on minimum wage it be better resourced given to our players we need to retain.
 
As in rather than keep these guys around on minimum wage 1yr deals for example I’d rather we gave the money to the guys we need to retain. I’d rather give Elliott and extra $100k than pay a guy like Varcoe, Dunn or Reid.
Yeah I don’t think it works like that. You have to pay everyone on the list atleast minimum wage so even if we got rid of the guys the draftees that replace them would also be on minimum wage.
 
Yeah I don’t think it works like that. You have to pay everyone on the list atleast minimum wage so even if we got rid of the guys the draftees that replace them would also be on minimum wage.

The thing is these guys would be coming off contracts higher than a first year draftee salary.

So evidently why keep them around if they’ll take up a spot and money we could invest in someone else of more importance?
 
The thing is these guys would be coming off contracts higher than a first year draftee salary.

So evidently why keep them around if they’ll take up a spot and money we could invest in someone else of more importance?
So minimum wage is different for draftees?
 
I agree with what you have stated... in Theory

But that appears the mentality at Collingwood that near enough is good enough
We were less than a goal from premiership in 1964
We were unlucky with the bounce of the ball in 1966
We were gazumped in 1970
We should have won 1972
If only Carman had not got rubbed out in 1977
Bloody Harmes in 1979
We led for 3 quarters in 1981
Pebbles kick was a goal in 2003
We were less than a kick from the GF in 2007
We were robbed in 2018
In 2019, we were unlucky with some umpiring decisions.... if only

I call Bull***t. A hell of a lot went wrong for us this year. Injuries and poor form. Our midfield as a collective failed to fire. We lacked avenues to goal. Before yesterday's last quarter we had kicked 3 goals in our last 4 quarters of football. In 14 games (incl finals) we failed to kick more than 80 points. More often than not if Brodie didn't kick goals, neither did the team.

We were gifted an easier finals draw thanks to the Hawks. We played Geelong... who were lucky to finish where they did. We played Giants at the MCG where they had only won 3 times in their history and without 3 of their best 5 players... yet.

Making GF's is not easy, however in the past 40 years the Hawks have been in 15, winning 10, plus 5 night GF's. Successful teams are ruthless. They seem to move their players on at the right time. (Yet, they remain the destination club). Something which we have been and remain poor at. We revere our players and overlook their shortcomings, yet we are not a destination club... why?

Our current list will not win us a Premiership. When it counted yesterday, our midfield again collectively failed to fire a shot. C'mon Pies, be brave at the Trade Table

Good post - calling it, as it is. Midfield group way over rated, and we have no avenue to score goals.

Both Richmond and GWS have elite talent up forward and around the ball.

Interesting trade period


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