Ottens, mckee, Ray hallWayne Thornburrow, drafted after one good game agaist us.
Strawbs O'Dwyer
Premiership ruckman Grigg
Vickery?
Brad Smith (Claremont) though don't think he ever played seniors.
Premiership ruckman Pickett
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Ottens, mckee, Ray hallWayne Thornburrow, drafted after one good game agaist us.
Strawbs O'Dwyer
Premiership ruckman Grigg
Vickery?
Brad Smith (Claremont) though don't think he ever played seniors.
Premiership ruckman Pickett
A little bit of a Passenger maybeTim watson. Didn’t do too bad.
Cartlege was a bomber.Just thinking that we generally have more success with trading in rucks than drafting our own:
Nank, Maric, Simmonds, Stafford possibly our best in recent history - plus Hampson, Orren Stephenson, Greg Dear, Marsh, Knobel.
Drafted? Soldo, Angus Graham, Browne, Adam Pattison, Ottens, then other names I can't even remember - Tristan Cartlege?
With respect, I don't think Tyson had any mental problems in his first fight against Holyfield (apart from the punishment he received): he was simply out-boxed.
The second fight I agree, he completely lost it.
Yeah, just a little bit, lol.You could be very right as i am not a big Tyson/boxing fan - but tbh i think Tyson was always fairly unstable guy. A killer of a boxer for sure - i think Alex Rance would be far more stable above the shoulders
how'd wayne carey go ?Pretty bad examples across the board.
Tyson was coming back from a parole in prison, mentally unstable & still managed to win the WBC & WBA title before his mental problems went awol in his fights against Holyfield (who was also in the middle of a very successful comeback)
Lockett was 36 when he returned from 3 years out, about 10 kilo's lighter and a completely different body. The game was also a very different spectacle.
Gary Ablett actually had his best years after his comeback from retirement - kicking 72,124, 129 & 122 in the full seasons immediately after it.
Not that familiar with Borgs comeback, before my time.
Michael Jordans 1st comeback was pretty bloody successful though, & I personally think even his 2nd one was worth the trip & very underrated, especially considering he was 38. Foremans comeback was very successful. Michael Phelps retired for 4 years and came back and still won gold at the 2016 olympics. Fans of American sports will also be pretty aware of Roger Clemens & Mario Lemieux. Successful comebacks are very dependant on the mental strength of the player + their physical conditioning & lifestyle during their retirement. Does this look like a guy who has spent his retirement eating pie's and partying ? If you saw a photo of Alex vs Garthwaite, no one would guess its Rance playing the suburban footy. Look at the veins in his arms mate, this guy is still ready to go or at least capable of it if he dedicated himself 100% over the next 6-8 months to get to that point. His work ethic is borderline OCD once he sets a goal for himself, I would back him in all the way to get an AA again if he were to return, fully committed for several years.
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Markle and that other bloke who is racking up possessions in the 2s. I think constablenarkle for me is massive yes.
Yeah, just a little bit, lol.
That first Tyson v Holyfield right was the perfect example of Iron Mike coming up against an opponent who had him covered for height, weight, reach and pure boxing class. Not that many of the experts (and none of the bookies) saw it coming. As you said, Evander was in the middle of his own comeback at the time. Plus Holyfield could take a decent punch. It's worth checking the fight out if you can find it.
I thought they all were.and loaded on the juice
How is constable different to vfl players we have racking them up in the twos , Martyn , Rossy , Dow is prob 12m away from consistently doing itMarkle and that other bloke who is racking up possessions in the 2s. I think constable
No real difference at all boHow is constable different to vfl players we have racking them up in the twos , Martyn , Rossy , Dow is prob 12m away from consistently doing it
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Richmond has the potential for the Port Adelaide-style draft heist that secured the Power Connor Rozee, Zac Butters and Xavier Duursma with its massive arsenal of early picks.
The club’s five picks within 42 selections have been well-scrutinised, but what does it actually mean from a draft value?
The Tigers have pick 10, pick 16 (tied to Geelong), pick 27 (their own second-rounder), pick 29 (tied to St Kilda) and pick 42 (tied to Gold Coast).
Those picks add up to 4213 draft points — which is in effect the draft collateral they have to trade into earlier picks or multiple first-rounders.
Port Adelaide went bang in the 2018 national draft, securing Rozee (pick 5), Butters (pick 12) and Duursma (pick 18) after deciding to trade out stars Chad Wingard and Jared Polec.
The value of those three picks five, 12 and 18 — 4131 points.
The beauty of Port’s draft haul was nailing all three picks as well as grabbing Ryan Burton from Hawthorn in the trade haul.
Power hit draft gold when they brought in Xavier Duursma, pictured, and teammates Connor Rozee and Zac Butters. Picture: Michael Klein
It was also was the club’s confidence it could secure players that would hit the ground running that allowed it to rise up the ladder again.
So the Tigers can go one of two ways:
Give up multiple first rounders — something like 10 and 27 — if they want to secure Fremantle’s Adam Cerra in a trade.
Or back in their recruiter Matthew Clark to bring in the new wave of stars.
Clark is part of a recruiting team that has nailed the likes of Shai Bolton (pick 29), Noah Balta (pick 25), Jack Graham (pick 53), Sydney Stack, Marlion Pickett and the latest in mid-season recruit Matt Parker.
Sam Weideman kicks a goal for the Demons in their win against Carlton at the MCG this year. Picture: Michael Klein
DEMONS AIM TO KEEP THEIR HOOKS IN WEIDEMAN
Melbourne remains confident key forward Sam Weideman wants to stay at the club for the long-term despite being pushed out of the senior side.
The agile goal kicker is out of contract at season’s end but has not yet flagged any plans to explore a move to a rival club at the end of the year.
The Demons have strong belief Weideman has a bright future at the club even though he has been leapfrogged by new recruit Ben Brown and remains behind Tom McDonald and Luke Jackson in the forward line pecking order.
He has been out of the team since the Round 13 loss to Collingwood but the Dees are content the contract discussions will lead to his signature even if he is yet to put pen to paper.
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Collingwood would be a natural fit but does not have the salary cap room to accommodate Weideman, while Gold Coast is hunting another key forward and has put its first draft pick on the table to help secure a quality marking target.
Weideman, 25, has booted only three goals from five games this season and averaged eight disposals a match, having failed to grab his chance when he was in the senior side.
The average form means even if he did demand a release he would not command a considerable bounty in return at the trade table.
The Demons brought in Brown from North Melbourne and have been thrilled with McDonald’s output this year after failing to trade him last year.
The Demons have done an outstanding job tying up their priority targets this year re-signing stars Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca, Max Gawn and Christian Salem.
FORMER GIANT EMERGES FROM THE BLUES
Matthew Kennedy’s five-week patch at Carlton has turned into a career-saving burst after Greater Western Sydney turned the No.28 draft pick they secured for him into the brilliant Sam Taylor.
Kennedy, a former No.13 draft pick, had hit such a slump in form last year the Blues could not offer him a contract.
He was saved at the last minute — thrown onto the rookie list — when the club received clarity from the AFL over list sizes.
He played only 88 minutes across three games from Rounds 4-6, used as the sub twice.
But since coming back into the side in Round 14 — against the Giants — he has peeled off three 100-ranking point matches from five games, averaging 23 possessions, nine contested possessions and four clearances.
Clubs do not expect list sizes to shrink again — especially given long injury lists this year — so he is quickly playing himself into another one-year extension.
Crows coach Matthew Nicks congratulates Daniel Talia after his 200th game in 2020 at Adelaide Oval against Richmond. Picture: Sarah Reed
CROWS NEED TALIA TO STEP UP INJURY FREE
Restricted free agent Daniel Talia is confident he still has plenty of good AFL football left, despite a foot injury that has sidelined him all season and uncertainty about his future beyond this year.
Talia, 29, comes out of contract at the end of this season, along with Adelaide teammates Matt Crouch and Tom Lynch.
The Crows are unwilling to make a commitment to any of the three players at this stage and Melbourne clubs are eyeing their potential availability for next year.
Adelaide coach Matthew Nicks said recently the club won’t make a decision on Talia’s future until they know he is on top of his foot issues.
The dual All-Australian and one-time Crows best and fairest winner is a class defender at his best and would be an asset to a Melbourne-based club if he can get his body right.
Talia is back running again and is increasingly confident he is over his issues and can play on for multiple seasons.
Aaron Hall fires off a handball in the Saints clash with St Kilda at Marvel Stadium in May 2021. Picture: Michael Klein
HALL LOOKS GOOD FOR NEW DEAL WITH KANGAROOS
Aaron Hall’s rich vein of form across the past few months could see him rewarded with a multi-year contract with North Melbourne.
The Kangaroos started preliminary discussions with the 30-year-old’s management group a few weeks ago but were keen to see how he would perform in the second half of the season.
Hall has enjoyed a career resurgence since his move to half-back where he and skipper Jack Ziebell have assisted the young team in its development phase.
The former Suns player, who is in his third season at Arden St, has averaged 29.5 disposals since Round 7 this year.
He is ranked eighth overall for metres gained behind Brodie Smith, Jack Lukosius, Paul Seedsman, Daniel Rich, Marcus Bontempelli, Jayden Short and Christian Petracca.
Hall has played 15 games this season for the Kangaroos and has been one of driving forces in the club’s more competitive performancesin the second half of the season.
CARMODY LEAVES PLAYER MANAGEMENT FOR MEDIA
Nigel Carmody, the manager of Joe Daniher, Bachar Houli and several other AFL stars, is leaving player management to expand his burgeoning media roles.
Carmody has had to balance player management with his media career as a caller and host with Channel 7 and Racing.com in recent years.
He has been with TLA for 18-and-a-half years and will remain until the end of the 2021 football season before moving into the media full-time.
Carmody said: “I have been presented with some pretty amazing opportunities in the last few years.”
“The journey with Seven doing VFL to AFLW to AFL has been amazing. The work with Racing.com has been increasing over the lastcouple of years and that’s a space I am really passionate about as well.
“The time is right for me to have a proper crack at it.”
Carmody has loved his experience working with many great clients over the years, including for a time Shane Crawford, Nathan Buckley and Garry Lyon.
But he sees this as an opportune juncture to devote more time to his highly-regarded media hosting and calling roles.
“The balance has been really challenging, with two young kids, and effectively two jobs, but I’ve loved it,” he said.
LIONS ON THE LOOKOUT TO FILL HIPWOOD VOID
Brisbane is not prepared to hand over one of its two first-round picks for a ruck-forward but is considering rival players including Greater Western Sydney ruckman Kieren Briggs.
The Lions are short for talls after the loss of Eric Hipwood (ACL), who won’t be back until deep into 2022.
Brisbane is determined to take picks currently at 14 and 18 instead of handing them over for established talent.
But Briggs, out of contract, will start next year third in the pecking order at GWS behind Matthew Flynn and Braydon Preuss.
He is one of the rucks clubs are considering after three solid games this season.
Essendon star Matthew Lloyd told Nine on Monday he would not pay $700,000 a season for Rory Lobb, as the Suns consider whether to offer him a deal to cross the country.
how'd wayne carey go ?
Wayne never even retired - he just got cancelled for 12 months for rooting his best mates wife in a toilet & became the biggest story in Australian Sports history at the time. He basically nuked his own self belief that he was invincible himself as he couldn't control "lil Wayne" who lived in his pants.
Again, for a player to come back successfully from a prolonged layoff - its all about how fit your body has been & how strong you are mentally. Carey at that point of his career was in a minus on both ends. His body was battered, his reputation was mud & his life was in absolute tatters.
I have so much belief in Rance as a player & person that i think he would definitely succeed, as long as he wanted to enough. This is why the club needs to sit down & speak to him (assuming they havent already). If he ticks the box, I genuinely believe can play a bigger role in the next "great" Richmond team than any other player that comes from that last era. From a leadership & team culture perspective he just ticks the boxes everywhere. If he can be 80% of the player he was when he last played, he will still be our #1 key defender. Balta spoke at length about how important Alex was to his development & we have all seen the slip in Balta's development in the last 12months. Alex's backline knowledge would also strength our assistant Coach rot. He was basically an extra assistant in 2019 & everyone at the club spoke immensely of his strong impact - Alex is a 1 in a million guy. Not perfect, has his flaws - but with where we are at, he is still by far our best option to fill our backline hole immediately, but also has so many other attributes i think can galvanise this group moving forward.
Played at game for Seymour a month or so ago , feedback was that he was ok without being dominate . Reckon he has lost the drive let him stay retired.Love this idea…
Anyone know how he’s been going in the WA league?
What about Rance returning to the club as our backline coach?Played at game for Seymour a month or so ago , feedback was that he was ok without being dominate . Reckon he has lost the drive let him stay retired.
His best coaching might be of the bathroom slide .What about Rance returning to the club as our backline coach?
10. DEW DILIGENCE, 2008
Stuart Dew was a year out of the game and tipping the scales at just over 120kg when Alastair Clarkson insisted the Hawks draft him against the wishes of some of those within the club. Thankfully, they did. The 2004 Port Adelaide premiership player shed around 20kg and returned with 25 disposals and two goals in his first game with the Hawks. He had hamstring issues but showed his real worth in the Hawks’ 2008 premiership, kicking two goals in the third term as well as assisting in two others.