List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

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Triggering Tiger said:
If they can both stay on the park but when have both of them done that?
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TT played every game last year and had a freak wrist break this year. Hopper the concern but not TT
 
Morro said:
TT played every game last year and had a freak wrist break this year. Hopper the concern but not TT
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At least it wouldn't hurt to pick him up if he wants to leave and we rookied him, as you can see injuries do happen especially in our case and you can never have enough back up these days.
 

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Luke Parker will be 93 years old and on his deathbed and without fail I guarantee there’ll be someone in here suggesting we trade for him
 
Parker offers the same stuff that Hopper and Taranto offer, it would benefit us to play Ross and Mcauliffe in midfield as oppossed to recruiting parker. Depth in case of injuries is not really a factor for us at the moment either since we aren't contending, so there is no need to replace injured players with ready made players becuase we want to win every game. Instead if we have injuries it suits us better to give the opportunity to young a player and see whether or not they up to AFL standard
 
FMD

Why would Luke Parker want to leave Swans

He will be in the team soon enough
 
prodigy1311 said:
All well and good RT. But this year will also be the most important since 2016 in terms of decision making. new Coach, list manager, new CEO, new President have to nail every decision in terms of players, coaches and even all the commercial stuff.
If we make the wrong decisions, it's over for the next 10 years or even more.
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New recruiting manager not list boss , toce reports to Hartley
 
Triggering Tiger said:
At least it wouldn't hurt to pick him up if he wants to leave and we rookied him, as you can see injuries do happen especially in our case and you can never have enough back up these days.
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Parker is a good move. If we could get him for free it means we can trade out players that have value that we thought about re leadership. Looking at it in a positive way, we have the chance to get some picks back from trading out those with value who want to leave, quickening the renewal, but also we can set the culture we want with players in their last year or two of footy to really help our youth. I think we have to aim to have the bulk of our top 20 picks in the years up to tassie coming in. 5 or 6 top 30 picks this year too would be a great haul towards that.
 
Masotiger said:
One massive assumption underpins your argument:

That the opposition AGREE to do the deal.

Remind me what Sydney offered in 2009 for our pick 3? And remind me if we traded it.
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His tongue was planted firmly in his cheek when writing this …..


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Dragonss said:
How can we best utilise the salary cap if Dusty retires/takes less money/gets traded. Can we do what Geelong did and take someone's salary and a pick? Or do we save it for a rainy day?
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There’s already talk of allowing the trading of ‘spare’ salary cap for draft picks … Blair will be all over this and preparing the books for a raid on picks.

For example Sydney want to retain Hayward end of this year but can’t afford to match the $800k / season being offered. We are in rebuild and have cap space to burn. We give Sydney $500k a year for 3-years in return for their 1st rounder. We get a top draft pick, Sydney retains Hayward.

I’ve got no doubt this will come in within 2-years, as the AFL is looking for mechanisms to speed up a bottom team’s ability to rebuild.

They’ve already allowed the salary dump of Bowes and pick-7 to Geelong, so this type of solution isn’t much different.

Bookmark it … and we will be there to take advantage by clearing out the books this year and next.



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Andyy said:
Honestly given how injury-prone he is and the salary of $1.2mil next year we wouldn't be getting much if anything back for him.
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The more of his salary we pay, the better the pick we’d get back. Pay no salary and no team could afford him. Pay $400k get pick 35. Pay $800k get pick-25. Pay the whole $1.2m get pick-15.

That’s how it will work.


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Roksman said:
Checks Bigfooty, Baker for Chesser

Baker is our Vice Captain ffs. We should be demanding a top 10 pick just like Essendon did for a half back flanker like Saad.

If you let your VC walk for token pick and fringe player, then might as well shut the club down.

Thank God I'm going to Europe soon, because if this is only the beginning, it's going to get a hell of a lot worse on here.

Yes, we need picks but picks are still just that - picks - and you can get them wrong through poor decision or just pure bad luck with injuries.

The only player you happily accept a compo pick for is Graham. Everyone else rumoured only leave for absolute maximum compensation.
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We can talk tough on contracted players. But Baker is out of contract. We don’t have the whip hand in any negotiations for uncontracted players or free agents. D Rioli who is contracted until 2027 different story.

If they offer crud for Baker we can reject the offer and we would… but we can’t reject a reasonable offer (ie pick 10-15), as then we will massively piss off Baker and he could walk to pre-season draft and we get nothing.


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Tiger_Of_Old said:

The Richmond recession: Its underlying causes, and the Tigers’ way out​

ByJake Niall​



The paths of Richmond and Sydney have diverged sharply since the Tigers conjured a round-three upset of the Swans that can be viewed in retrospect as the season’s most mystifying result.
But the Tigers of late March were a decidedly different unit to the team that conceded a staggering 77 forward entries to the Western Bulldogs and were so vertically challenged in defence that Nick Vlastuin, a superb veteran defender but just 187cm, was compelled to spend time on super-talented beanstalk Sam Darcy, conceding 21 centimetres.
Tigers midfielder [PLAYERCARD]Tim Taranto[/PLAYERCARD].

Tigers midfielder Tim Taranto.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
The Tigers had regained Noah Balta, but found they couldn’t man Aaron Naughton, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Darcy without Josh Gibcus and Tom Lynch. Balta had been deployed forward due to Tom Lynch’s long-term injury.
Yet, defending lanky forwards wasn’t the primary problem; it lay between the arcs, where the Bulldogs, led by Adam Treloar, Ed Richards and Marcus Bontempelli, more or less owned the footy and were subjected to scant pressure as Richmond’s diminished senior group wilted.

It was such a towelling that the question was posed of whether some senior players had thrown it in.
The Richmond recession has three or four underlying causes. In the immediate term, there’s the injury carnage that began in the round-one game against Carlton (when Gibcus went down) and worsened in the Sydney triumph that saw Lynch and Balta suffer hamstring tendon and knee injuries; it has not abated much since, although Balta and Dion Prestia returned for the Saturday night massacre.
Richmond coach [PLAYERCARD]Adem Yze[/PLAYERCARD].

Richmond coach Adem Yze.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
Monday’s medical meetings contained few glad tidings. No player of note is likely to return for this weekend’s game at the Gabba and those who are most missed – Lynch and midfielder Tim Taranto – are gone for several more weeks. Jacob Hopper, another important mid, is only an outside chance to resume in the Dreamtime game.
The large number of players used (37) to date and the small proportion who’ve played every game (just six, compared to Sydney’s 17 and Melbourne’s 16) are measures of Richmond’s player availability disaster.



But there are clearly two or three other issues that have beset the Tigers in their rapid descent since 2022, when they were unluckily pipped at the Gabba by the Lions and consigned to an early finals exit in a year when they believed – with justification – they could compete for the premiership.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-end-debate-on-20th-side-20240513-p5jd47.html
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Before the injury pestilence, Richmond’s playing stocks were ravaged by retirements to the cornerstones of their triple-flag dynasty and, as a club that finished in the finals in all but three seasons since 2013 (2016, 2021, 2023) and four times made the preliminary or grand final, they have had scant access to the top end of the national draft.
The lack of draft capital is greater considering they – rightly – gave up pick No.6 in 2016 for Prestia, and have barely had their other top-10 pick from that 11-year stretch in Gibcus.

More contentious was the trading for Taranto and Hopper that took the Tigers out of the first rounds of the 2022 and 2023 drafts and was seen, even then, as a potential sequel to Hawthorn’s hubristic acquisitions of Jaeger O’Meara and Tom Mitchell.
Outgoing Richmond CEO Brendon Gale.

Outgoing Richmond CEO Brendon Gale.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
But the loss of Taranto, in particular, has been significant to the 2024 recession and if the Tigers over-reached by getting Hopper with his Giant teammate – and giving up what turned into a top-10 selection – the converse argument is that they will need a core of senior players around which to build over the coming years.
The alternative is to let senior players leave and redress the lack of draft capital. But this will make Adem Yze’s already-massive task harder, bearing in mind that Liam Baker might leave to join one of the Perth clubs, and that the Tigers should gain a decent pick for him if that transpires.
Even if you accept that the Tigers erred in giving up draft picks in both 2022 and 2023 for Taranto/Hopper, the state of their playing list is more a result of the natural cycles – the system’s innate gravity – than list management blunders.

Yes, the Swans and Geelong have levitated above the pack for longer, compared with Richmond and the cautionary examples of Hawthorn and West Coast. But the Swans did finish in the bottom four in 2019 and 2020, and in the latter post-season, they had a top five pick and a fellow called Errol Gulden arrive, alongside Braeden Campbell, via their academy, plus had Nick Blakey on the books from the academy from 2018.

The other factor that is noteworthy is the exit of Damien Hardwick and the imminent departure of chief executive Brendon Gale, on the heels of Peggy O’Neal’s presidency. As greats such as Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and Shane Edwards have finished, with Dusty Martin winding down and others either turning or past 30, the Richmond of 2025-26 will contain few of the statues of the glorious 2017-2020 era.
Yze’s wish to implement his game plan – one more reliant on stoppage clearance compared to the previous transition-heavy Hardwick style (which the Tigers felt needed to be rebalanced) – has been compromised by Taranto, Hopper and Prestia’s injuries and the lack of ready-replacements.


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Richmond Tigers CEO Brendan Gale quit his post after 15 years before quickly being installed as Tasmania's inaugural boss.

Richmond’s regeneration, though, will need continuity of experienced players and off-field staff, who have corporate memories of 2013-2020 and can sustain a culture that has spawned success not only at Richmond, but influenced Collingwood and other clubs.
Gale has made clear that he will not be poaching renowned list boss Blair Hartley to Tassie, nor Tim Livingstone, the football performance chief. Hartley is contracted for 2025, in any case.
The Tigers have lost enough key people, and have gained sufficient fresh faces and new intellectual property. To strip back the playing ranks to near ground zero – and to further denude the football department of wise heads – would be a road to prolonged recession. Richmond people know too well what that looks like.
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Hoorah! A well balanced article from an intelligent journo not focussed on click bait.


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prodigy1311 said:
fascination with picks on big footy is at insanity levels! We had strong hand in 2021 with 5 picks in top 30, 3 years later only 1 has shown any promise but is till not certain of being best 22.

Talks of trading lynch, bolton etc is ridiculous. We will become a basket case for the next 10 years and back to the glory days or ninthmond!
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Agreed… although IMO Gibcus and Brown have both shown great promise, and I’m optimistic about Sonsie once he has some big bodies around him. Big question marks on both Banks and Clarke (2 x ACL’s), but by no means write-offs yet.

If we get 2 x quality players and a senior regular with 2 x busts that’s a solid return for picks 8, 18 and 28-30. Getting Deledio, Tambling, Meyer, Polo and Pattison with our 5 x top-20 picks including 1 and 4 in a strong draft… now THAT’S a disaster !!

But final declarations of success or otherwise of the 2021 draft can’t be made until probably end of 2026 given the long-term injuries.


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Was Toce involved when st kilda overlooked Petracca (McCartin) Naughton (hunter clark and coffield)
 
A Tiger 4 lyf said:
Nank reportedly offered a 2 year deal…typical


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Bemusing to say the least.
We need an athletic tap ruckman. I'd be okay if Nank can maintain the same intensity as he did earlier in the season for the majority of the year but he is cooked.
 
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