Roast Umpiring Thread

[PNess]

Haven't watched the replay yet but from where I was (roasting in the sun at the Coventry end) it was atrocious!

A lot of the holding the ball calls were very harsh and there were calls that no one knew what the hell was going on.

Two of the worst decisions were at my end when Setanta pushed Gilham in the back very clearly and was paid the mark. Thankfully he f*^%ed it up.

In the last quarter down my end Buddy looked to have pushed his opponent in the side goaled then was pinged for in the back. Thankfully the ball ended back in his hands for a great goal.

A couple times when Buddy and his opponent were on the ground and Buddy got to his feet quickest he was held and nothing was paid. This holding is far more critical than the shite that gets paid around stoppages as it costs us a shot on goal. This seem to happen just about every week!

I really felt the umpiring kept them in the game at 3 qtr time.

How did everyone else see it?

 

[MinerBoy]

In regards to Buddy, even the commentators are now mentioning the massive gulf between what he gets paid (or more accurately, not paid)and what he gets pinged for.

Will anything change? Doubt it.

 

[bigbuddyboy]

The best thing Franklin can do is just keep playing good footy.

But at the same time he cannot do anything to anyone, but can have anything done to him.
By far, the most umpire-induced scrutiny towards one player I have ever witnessed.
The Geisha needs to pull his head in, watch a few hawks games and tell his little army of pathetic blind maggots that there isn't two rule books out there.

Doubt anything will happen though.

 

[mustardnugget]

You weren't mistaken my friend.

Good thing our long lost buddy instant karma was also in attendance.

 

[MinerBoy]

The perfect example of Buddy's treatment is when he kicked a point from a tight angle with an almost banana without ever taking possession of the ball.

He is trying to tap and control the ball in front of him with one hand and also guide it on to his boot. That he nearly snagged it is besides the point....there was an obvious reason he didn't take possession with two hands and it happens every time he looks to break from his opponent.

It's glaringly obvious..........isn't it?

 

[Hawkamania!]

These umpiring issues with us have been around since 2005. I doubt anything less than legal action would make the afl take notice of the bias we are up against.

Free kick count: Hawks 15, Carlton 23.

We are still dead last in the free kick ladder.
http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/diffladders.php?ty=-1&yrfm=2010&yrto=2010&ty=3

 

[Great 2008]

Every now and then when you end up on the bottom of the free kick ladder you can cop it on the chin.

I may be wrong but it feels we have been there for years which is a joke. I watched a couple of games on the weekend, before watching the Hawks game. Sometimes I could swear the refs. apply a different rule book to Hawthorn.

Could this be symptomaitic of the 'unsociable tag' that has been applied to us. If so we need to shed this tag somehow.

On another note if Nic Riewoldt had been kneed over while tieing up his shoe lace (instead of Barry Hall) he would have got a free kick and probably 50m. Just highlights that some players are regarded differently by the umpiring fraternity.... which is just plain wrong.

Ps. This is my first ever rant against umpires. I'm just fed up.

 

[Hawkamania!]

^ Here is the free kick ladder since 2005.

http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/diffladders.php?ty=3&yrfm=2005&yrto=2010&ty=3

We are still last.

 

[markr]

I didn't think it was quite as bad as in previous weeks, but perhaps I just wasn't paying as much attention because we were winning.

Certainly a few players were more attuned to the current (ridiculous) holding the ball interpretation if you dive on the ball. I think Sewell still got done a few times, but it was nothing like last week.

 

[Neville Bartos]

I didn't think the umpiring was that bad yesterday. Admittedly we did almost everything right so they couldn't really penalise us, although Buddy got shafted again. That free-kick against him for the shove was wrong and he was held a few times that would have netted Riewoldt a free-kick were he playing.

 

[Arkadia]

That is one stat we will never be in front, the free-kicks.

 

[Off The Couch]

What made me laugh was with all the pushing and shoving and elbow jabbing at the start of each quarter the umps ping hooper for putting his hand in the back of joseph (I think) and reversing the kick, yet a player can push another player over while he is tying his shoes laces and get away with it.

 

[brew]

I have boycotted away games which are not designated away until we win a free count in any game.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Mitchell got pulled by the ears, twice by Judd and another time (cant remember the player).Result 2 holding the balls and a ball up.
If it was Judd or Selwood it would have been 3 over the shoulders.

 

[MightyHawks]

I do think that the club needs to make a DVD of Buddy and Riewoldt and their respective treatment by umpires.

Release it to the media.

Hands in the back, hands in the side, chopping the arms, scragging, being bumped.

If the video shows that one player is clearly favoured more often than the other then it needs to be brought up on a weekly basis.

 

[The Kipster]

I do think that the club needs to make a DVD of Buddy and Riewoldt and their respective treatment by umpires.

Release it to the media.

Hands in the back, hands in the side, chopping the arms, scragging, being bumped.

If the video shows that one player is clearly favoured more often than the other then it needs to be brought up on a weekly basis.

Good idea MH

In regards to yesterdays umpiring, let's just say it wasn't as bad as previous weeks.....though it was still shite

Cyrils 50M in the 1st quarter was classic, threw the ball up too high apprently..WTF

 

[Neville Bartos]

Good idea MH

In regards to yesterdays umpiring, let's just say it wasn't as bad as previous weeks.....though it was still shite

Cyrils 50M in the 1st quarter was classic, threw the ball up too high apprently..WTF

I believe Scott Stevens from Adelaide got done for the same thing against us last year. This was probably the evener-upper

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

i reckon some one here could email the afl and the umpires mob a video with the questions why wait for the club just send an email just asking the difference make sure that the ones sent are ones buddy does not get paid that look the same as the ones that the other player does get paid and ask the question why ?? is there a different rule for buddy , as i do not have the means of doing this would be great for some one who does to do it [please] thanks

 

[LuvMyHawks]

Mick McGuane said on 927 this morning, that there are two players in the AFL that never get frees that they are entitled to. Hall & Buddy. He said that they are penalised for things that they do, but when someone does the same thing to them, NO FREE!!! He is so right...

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Mick McGuane said on 927 this morning, that there are two players in the AFL that never get frees that they are entitled to. Hall & Buddy. He said that they are penalised for things that they do, but when someone does the same thing to them, NO FREE!!! He is so right...

exactly i think i heard sen either last night or on saturday before the game say something similar ! they don't want fans to abuse the umps yet they umpire like that and wonder why we do ! p's me off something shocking !

 

[Maybloomer]

Is there any possible chance the AFL could apply a set of "interpretations" once a year and STICK BY THEM. I'm sick of seeing a "clamp down on this" week or a "red hot on that" round. Does anybody really know the correct interpretation of the Holding The Ball rule as it's applied today?

A Hawthorn player was on his back trying to knock the ball on with several opposition players keeping it there. Pinged.
Players from both sides were gang tackled standing up with no prior opportunity to dispose of the ball. Pinged.
Having had prior opportunity, several Carlton players graduated from the Geelong School of Incorrect Disposal. Not pinged.
Gilham gets shoved in the back - not pinged and play on (thankfully)
Buddy shoves in the side - pinged

It really is a lottery these days with players, commentators, spectators and coaches totally baffled. Other football codes and sports in general must really be laughing. In most cases the AFL will make unwarranted knee-jerk changes to a situation only to have it understandably create a bigger problem. e.g :

Buddy's Bump - it's still not clear when you can bump and where and how many weeks you may or not miss. The AFL wants you to play the game at full speed but you are judged, juried and executed in super slow motion.
FAIL

Holding The Ball - now you don't actually have to be in possession to get penalised, just be the last one to touch it. Excuse my ignorance but to dispose of a ball you first have to take possession of it. Vlad doesn't seem to like you doing that, it's bad for ratings. You have to knock it on. Pick it up at your peril.
Guess what boys? The packs are bigger and uglier than ever now. FAIL

Hands In The Back - yeah, that one's working a treat. You can knock a guys tooth out, KO him by jumping into him at full pace but resting that little pinky on a forwards back with zero force is going to destroy the fabric of this game and damage that spearhead irrepairably. Wasn't broken, didn't need fixing, nobody asked for it. FAIL

50m penalties - there is a massive difference between a player deliberately encroaching the mark and he who gets caught up in the speed of the moment and doesn't move away in a millisecond. If an umpire can't differentiate he shouldn't be out there. Once again AFL, if you want to speed the game up, cut the players some slack.

Unfortunately the AFL really have an overinflated ego and think the game is so popular because they're making it so.

Think again, Oh Mighty Ones.

It's popular because of Hawthorn and Collingwood and Foot-a-scray and Buddy and Riewoldt and Ablett. It will survive the test of time and will continue to draw crowds in spite of Vlad and Co, not because of them. It would just be nice if the AFL could let the umpires adjudicate to a simple, standard, COMMONSENSE set of rules instead of the over-officiated melodramatic spectacle we see today. I'm sure the umpires would appreciate it. My ticker, my hair and my plasma might stand a chance of making it through the weekend.

 

[CanonNo1]

I do think that the club needs to make a DVD of Buddy and Riewoldt and their respective treatment by umpires.

Release it to the media.

Hands in the back, hands in the side, chopping the arms, scragging, being bumped.

If the video shows that one player is clearly favoured more often than the other then it needs to be brought up on a weekly basis.

Possibly the worst idea ever (ever). Wasting our resources making a DVD and releasing it to the media in order to make the AFL and umpires 'look bad'? I repeat - possibly the worst idea ever! In fact, bordering on insane.

It's like the little kid who doesn't get to play in the lunchtime football match going to cry to the principle - is that what we are resorting to? F$$k me ... and to think we won by 50 points ... we are still whining about the umpires?

I'd much rather us spending the time tyring to win games of football!

Worst idea ever....

 

[willo_k]

Good idea MH
Cyrils 50M in the 1st quarter was classic, threw the ball up too high apprently..WTF

We got one back that resulted in a goal to Lewis. Pretty clear intent by the respective players on both counts to hold the play up for a couple of seconds IMO. Fair enough to be payed.

 

[markr]

A Hawthorn player was on his back trying to knock the ball on with several opposition players keeping it there. Pinged.
Players from both sides were gang tackled standing up with no prior opportunity to dispose of the ball. Pinged.
Having had prior opportunity, several Carlton players graduated from the Geelong School of Incorrect Disposal. Not pinged.

Okay, not commenting on any of those in particular, and certainly umpires aren't 100% consistent within this, but the current interpretation as I read it is:

a) If you come off your feet to get the ball or grab it when you are off your feet and then don't get it out you are gone every time. Prior opportunity doesn't come in to it. We got burnt by this against the Tigers again and again because or players are trained to go hard at the ball. This rule came in to stop Sydney creating stoppage after stoppage, but has really been ramped up in the last year or so. Sewell got done for this a few times on the weekend, you just can't dive at the ball anymore.

b) If the ball is "knocked loose" in the tackle, it isn't incorrect disposal. In the AFLs push to keep the game moving this has been broadened massively. Basically if you drop it as soon as you are tackled the umpires call play on. Some clubs are on to this. Traditionally we've wrapped it up and taken the free kick against in order to give time for our zone to set up.

c) Even if you have no prior opportunity the umpires are being much stricter on "making an attempt" to dispose. If you have one hand free then you have to try to throw the ball on your boot. And they are far less likely to fall for the "fake punching while actually trying to hold it in" trick.

d) If they can't give a free kick from any of that, pay one anyway for holding the ball or high contact at least 50% of the time.

Basically the umpires appear to be under instruction to pay a free kick if at all possible to keep the game moving, rather than having to have a ball up. This is one reason why tackling has become so effective, and tackle rates have gone through the roof. In previous seasons all this tackling would have just led to more ball ups. Now it is often smarter to hang off the ball and tackle the bloke who grabs it. I feel some of the reason we've been on the wrong end of free kick counts is that we're still going hard at the ball all the time, and the current interpretations just don't reward that.

 

[Thurgood2Dawson]

The perfect example of Buddy's treatment is when he kicked a point from a tight angle with an almost banana without ever taking possession of the ball.

He is trying to tap and control the ball in front of him with one hand and also guide it on to his boot. That he nearly snagged it is besides the point....there was an obvious reason he didn't take possession with two hands and it happens every time he looks to break from his opponent.

It's glaringly obvious..........isn't it?

This happened right infront of me and i couldnt beleive it, cant remember who was holding him but it was blatant, whats worse the carlton supporters calling for a push on the other side of the contest, was a disgrace but unfortunately nothing will change