US textbook omits evolution

[Mani]

True! I actually mentioned that the micron was an extension of the metre, so I'm sorry if it came out wrong.
When measuring in microns, I think the um symbol is applied for the entire measurement calculated in microns, not metres and mm.
I could be wrong. It has happened. In true pedant mode, I do recall once making a mistake in 1968....

You need to distinguish between units and prefixes.

A meter, kilometer, micrometer, centimeter are all units of length with the same SI units used. The prefixes merely add or subtract zeros or decimal places for convenience.

The unit for a meter in SI or metric notation for example can be changed to say imperial units of inches.

Inches and meters are both measurements of length but are differents units

Microns/micrometer, centimeter, meter, mm are the same units distinguished by prefixes

 

[Bennett.]

I'm sure some of you will get a kick out the irony here, but at the moment I am lying in a hospital bed after scans and awaiting an MRI to see if I am having a brain issue. However, I feel the biggest frustration sometimes is people who on one hand scream tolerance, until you admit you are Christian and then hatred, intolerance and questioning of sanity are spewed forth.

 

[Pie eyed]

It doesn't offend me but pie eyed said everyone can believe what they want as long as they keep it to themselves and that's his argument as to why creationism shouldn't be taught....last time I checked macro evolution was still a belief not fact so by that logic it shouldn't be taught. I believe it should be taught but not as a fact but a theory as to the way we are.

I'd suggest you link to where I made this claim?
Creationists can teach their voodoo. I have no problem with main stream religions being taught.
I have issue with it being taught as science, which it most definitely is not and a major issue with mainstream science being refuted by the uneducated in the absence of evidence to support what amounts to nothing more than their feelings.

Macro evolution, evolution in general is not a belief.
It is a theory.
A theory supported by millions of observations, hundreds of thousands of datable, touchable, chemically analyzable artifacts, which is supported evidentially by dozens of separate fields of science such as genetics, genealogy, biology, geology, radiology, chemistry, paleontology, hydrology and many more. To boot it is wholly accepted as fact by the Christian religions.

Creationism is nothing more than a dogmatic refusal to accept that the Bible is not accurate in relation to the timescales it claims for it's major events and the creation of the earth. It is nothing more than a pig-headed attempt to discredit an established, entrenched science through lies, miss-information and fraud,
There is no evidence for a a 6000 year old earth nor a Biblical global flood. None.

Even then, I do not give a rats arse what they teach their children, so long as their agenda, a religious agenda, is labelled as such.

 

[Pie eyed]

I'm sure some of you will get a kick out the irony here, but at the moment I am lying in a hospital bed after scans and awaiting an MRI to see if I am having a brain issue. However, I feel the biggest frustration sometimes is people who on one hand scream tolerance, until you admit you are Christian and then hatred, intolerance and questioning of sanity are spewed forth.

Hopefully your scans will be all positive news.

 

[Monniehawk]

You need to distinguish between units and prefixes.

A meter, kilometer, micrometer, centimeter are all units of length with the same SI units used. The prefixes merely add or subtract zeros or decimal places for convenience.

The unit for a meter in SI or metric notation for example can be changed to say imperial units of inches.

Inches and meters are both measurements of length but are differents units

Microns/micrometer, centimeter, meter, mm are the same units distinguished by prefixes

I will bow to your better research!

 

[Bennett.]

Hopefully your scans will be all positive news.

Yeah that would be nice, cheers!

 

[Monniehawk]

Yeah that would be nice, cheers!

It would!
Good luck with it and get back to us. Cheers.

 

[Mani]

I will bow to your better research!

I am not a Monarch

 

[Admiral Byng]

I'd suggest you link to where I made this claim?
Creationists can teach their voodoo. I have no problem with main stream religions being taught.
I have issue with it being taught as science, which it most definitely is not and a major issue with mainstream science being refuted by the uneducated in the absence of evidence to support what amounts to nothing more than their feelings.

Macro evolution, evolution in general is not a belief.
It is a theory.
A theory supported by millions of observations, hundreds of thousands of datable, touchable, chemically analyzable artifacts, which is supported evidentially by dozens of separate fields of science such as genetics, genealogy, biology, geology, radiology, chemistry, paleontology, hydrology and many more. To boot it is wholly accepted as fact by the Christian religions.

Creationism is nothing more than a dogmatic refusal to accept that the Bible is not accurate in relation to the timescales it claims for it's major events and the creation of the earth. It is nothing more than a pig-headed attempt to discredit an established, entrenched science through lies, miss-information and fraud,
There is no evidence for a a 6000 year old earth nor a Biblical global flood. None.

AGree with all of that.

Might just add one further thing. It is often mistakenly implied that a scientific theory is the same rank as an opinion. It is not. A theory is based on evidence and observation as per the scientfic method. A theory is far more robust than an opinion. I have no proble with evolution being taught as a theory, it ought to be. I obeject to non-evidence-based opinion being promoted to the same category as a robust scientific theory which has been carefully compiled and tested and retested over decades.

 

[Mani]

AGree with all of that.

Might just add one further thing. It is often mistakenly implied that a scientific theory is the same rank as an opinion. It is not. A theory is based on evidence and observation as per the scientfic method. A theory is far more robust than an opinion. I have no proble with evolution being taught as a theory, it ought to be. I obeject to non-evidence-based opinion being promoted to the same category as a robust scientific theory which has been carefully compiled and tested and retested over decades.

Actually, Evolutionary Biology is in the top 3 most validated and observationally verifiable scientific theories ever proposed.

If would be difficult for someone to refute the scientific evidence which supports the notion that life evolves and still accept the scientific method as valid. One can argue as to whether natural selection, the Gaia mechanism or any other mechanism is the best theoretical framework that explains evolutionary biology.

The notion of life evolving on this planet is a well established scientific fact - its an observable and verifiable natural mechanism. Reject this simple reality and I think one needs to reject the scientific method all together.

It would be like denying the existence of the force of Gravity. People often claim that Gravity is a theory. This is an incorrect statement to make. Gravity is simply a force that arises between two objects comprised of baryonic matter. There are however two major theories that attempt to explain and quantify this force of gravity. (Newtonian theory of gravity and the General theory of relativity). One can argue over the limitations of each of these theories, just as one argues over the theories that have been put forward to explain evolutionary biology.

Its a subtle point, but people often dismiss Evolutionary biology on the basis that its only a "theory" (a weak evidence-less statement or opinion - a rumour or mythical statement based upon magic - and as we all know the scientific method was developed by the ancient Greeks to counter this very mystic approach)

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Urey-Miller Experiment.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Urey-Miller experiment.


Yields from sparking a mixture of CH4, NH3, H2O and H2 (there was no nitrogen gas and carbon dioxide as shown) given below (Per cent yields based on 59 mmoles of carbon added as CH4):

Compound Yield mmoles %

a-Amino-n-butyric acid 50 0.34
a-Aminoisobutyric acid 1 0.007
b-Alanine 150 0.76
Acetic acid 150 0.51
Alanine 340 1.7
Aspartic acid 4 0.024
Formic acid 2330 4.0
Glutamic acid 6 0.051
Glycine 630 2.1
Glycolic acid 560 1.9
Iminodiacetic acid 55 0.37
Iminodiacetic-propionic acid 15 0.13
Lactic acid 310 1.6
N-Methylalanine 10 0.07
N-Methyl urea 15 0.051
Propionic acid 130 0.66
Sarcosine 50 0.25
Succinic acid 40 0.27
Urea 20 0.034

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Amino acids.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

More amino acids

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

A penny dropping

 

[bombermick]

Good luck with the surgery sparta. May the force be with you.

 

[bombermick]

Agree!
...but, it kinda makes you wonder about the near-universal concept of dragons, eh?

Are you saying dragons are historical proof of man living with dinosaurs? Before I spend any time debating the point ...

 

[Mani]

Most Theists don't like this experiment, its results and its profound ramifications.

IT does demonstrate how easy it is to chemically assemble the basic building blocks of living system - namely amino acids (the basic units of proteins etc)

Obviously the next stages of creating self replicating molecules such as DNA and eventually single cellular organisms cannot be inferred by the success of this experiment. But at least it provides a simple and very probable mechanism for amino acids to form.

 

[CharacterFirst]

What a total crock of shit.
God escapes the blame for nearly everything.
For a omnipotent entity he/she sure is a bloody let down.

You do realize, that "the problem of evil" as an argument against God, is almost universally rejected by the entire philosophical world, don't you? The problem of evil just does not disprove God as a orthodox Xian understands him.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

Nearly two years I have been waiting for the promised "standard of proof." But nothing from you PE.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Most Theists don't like this experiment, its results and its profound ramifications.

IT does demonstrate how easy it is to chemically assemble the basic building blocks of living system - namely amino acids (the basic units of proteins etc)

Obviously the next stages of creating self replicating molecules such as DNA and eventually single cellular organisms cannot be inferred by the success of this experiment. But at least it provides a simple and very probable mechanism for amino acids to form.

Miller and Urey produced infinitely more in that reaction vessel than any theist has ever been able to produce.

 

[bombermick]

You do realize, that "the problem of evil" as an argument against God, is almost universally rejected by the entire philosophical world, don't you? The problem of evil just does not disprove God as a orthodox Xian understands him.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

Nearly two years I have been waiting for the promised "standard of proof." But nothing from you PE.

It's not just you, but I don't know why we're debating God's character in this thread, other then what it means for religion if we agree creationism is false. That's for the other thread.

Do you accept a 6000-7000 year-old earth, and if so why?

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Meanwhile MAN marches on, correcting all of gods little flaws:

Ordinary heart cells become 'biological pacemakers' with injection of a single gene December 16, 2012 in Medical research

Ordinary heart cells become 'biological pacemakers' with injection of a single gene December 16, 2012 in Medical research Cedars-Sinai Heart Institute researchers have reprogrammed ordinary heart cells to become exact replicas of highly specialized pacemaker cells by injecting a single gene (Tbx18)–a major step forward in the decade-long search for a biological therapy to correct erratic and failing heartbeats.

Read more at: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-12-ordinary-heart-cells-biological-pacemakers.html#jCp

 

[CharacterFirst]

A little disingenuous, I think.
The US charter outlines freedom of religion and belief. By not allowing a prevailing belief to infiltrate and dominate, it maintains that freedom and actually permits dialogue rather than monologue. So, the 'little children can go to him', rather than being hearded along a predefined path. That is anathema to the concept of salvation, I would think. A bit like 'I chose it because it was the only option', rather than a conscious personal choice.
It is fair to say that the most prominent proponents of xian education (or any religion for that matter) in secular schools are intolerant of others' beliefs. It is the nature of the beast. Hence the outcry over the teaching of evolution and denouncements of other religions that emanate from the pulpits.
I doubt that the world of xianity would countenance all schools being taught only the Pentecostal or Baptist line of xianity.
Better none at all - and allow the discourse to continue on an equal footing - than have one suffocating all others.
Politics, for example, is a subject that does not confine itself to western democracy.
That comment is by way of a support for the teaching for comparative religion rather than, say, a strictly sectarian xianity. I believe that religion is an important philosophical part of all societies and should be examined in that light.

Hey, hey MH!!!

How's things? I reckon the Cats could "steal" another one this year!!!

Back to topic.

It's not what we are discussing though. And we sure as heck aren't talking about "religion" which is a pretty useless term used by people to lump everything in together, as if they were all the same.

The context is should people blame God for bad things - school shootings - and on the other hand say we want nothing to do with him? We are talking about the US as well.

But we are not discussing comparative religion as a good idea for a school curriculum.

Jesus was reprimanding those stopping little children coming to him - it matters not the context. If schools ban Xians from talking about Jesus, or people praying, etc; then they are stopping the kids from coming to Jesus. It would be a bit rich to then turn around and blame God for bad things - even if he was responsible for it, which he isn't as everyone agrees - atheist and theist like - but just for different reasons. lol.

 

[CharacterFirst]

It's not just you, but I don't know why we're debating God's character in this thread, other then what it means for religion if we agree creationism is false. That's for the other thread.

Do you accept a 6000-7000 year-old earth, and if so why?

No.

If you read thru the thread, you will see why, and also what I believe.

I have also given a link to a site which pretty much sums up my position, which is not a new one for Xians. In fact its over 1700 years old at least!