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I don't like Netanyahu and think he should be charged with war crimes, but I'll still repeat his talking points unironically.
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On or around October 7th specifically? No.
Ever? I believe they would have eventually, yes.
They've done it multiple times before, they've been illegally seizing land in the West Bank.
The events of October 7th allowed them to drastically escalate what they appear to have been slowly doing anyway.
October 7th also didn't happen in a vacuum no matter how many times you try to pretend otherwise.
I mean... I'd love for you to provide any kind of source where Hamas asked for a ceasefire agreement where it specifically permits them to attack Israel and that Israel agrees not to shoot back or anything.
That would be pretty easy to find right?
Meanwhile, it takes about 3 seconds to locate where Hamas have said if Israel removes the troops from <not their land> then they'll immediately commence returning hostages.
Upon what are you basing this assertion? Israel are the ones firing (aside a handful of Hamas rockets), they are the ones occupying Gaza. The are the only ones who can cease firing in any meaningful way. If they want to stop, why don't they stop?Israel clearly do want a ceasefire.
Upon what are you basing this assertion? Israel are the ones firing (aside a handful of Hamas rockets), they are the ones occupying Gaza. The are the only ones who can cease firing in any meaningful way. If they want to stop, why don't they stop?
1.) Hamas is not firing anything (in any meaningful/harmful way). Hamas can't cease firing anything 2) Hamas doesn't want to give up the hostages. 3) Hamas by all accounts doesn't appear to care what happens to Gazans.Because Hamas continues to attack them and hold on to their hostages.
Hamas just rejected a ceasefire proposal for 6 weeks - 800 prisoners returned to Hamas in exchange for 40 hostages released.
If Hamas were genuine about an immediate ceasefire they'd take that deal immediately. Go back to the negotiating table in 6 weeks time.
The peace deal brokered by Qatar between Israel / Hamas literally one week prior to Oct 7 kinda makes your claim look deluded.
It all comes back to you believing Hamas was just fighting back to oppression on Oct 7. Evidenced by mentioning a vacuum prior to Oct 7.
1.) Hamas is not firing anything (in any meaningful/harmful way). Hamas can't cease firing anything 2) Hamas doesn't want to give up the hostages. 3) Hamas by all accounts doesn't appear to care what happens to Gazans.
What makes you say Israel wants a ceasefire? Did you mean to write Israel wants the hostages back? The way I see it, Isarel holds all the power and can do whatever they want to do, including ceasing firing and occupying. That they don't do either suggests to me they don't want to.
Go back to the negotiating table in 6 weeks time.
Hamas holds all the power here
Hamas holds all the power here. They could release all hostages immediately and unconditionally. Stand down all military action.
That would make continued military action by Israel untenable. Nobody would support any such action. Hamas are fully aware returning all hostages would result in a ceasefire regardless of any agreements.
They choose not to and to prolong the war.
You keep referring to this 'peace deal' as though it's an open and shut answer to decades of oppression. It isn't.
You keep trying to make strawman arguments while making a fool of yourself.
Let's be clear - the actions taken and the agreement made between Israel & Hamas brokered by Qatar on September 29 2023 absolutely do not suggest that Israel was trying to "take back Gaza slowly" as you cllaimed.
I don't think you know what a strawman argument is.
They were busy taking over the West Bank at the time, yes.
I also don't think the whole work permit thing is quite the same as the 'peace deal' you keep making it out to be. Israel aren't exactly doing it out of the goodness of their hearts;
Israeli permit regime in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I don't think you know what a strawman argument is.
They were busy taking over the West Bank at the time, yes.
I also don't think the whole work permit thing is quite the same as the 'peace deal' you keep making it out to be. Israel aren't exactly doing it out of the goodness of their hearts;
Israeli permit regime in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The agreement was in regards to Gaza, not West Bank (other than permitting travel between Gaza & West Bank)
The agreement on 29th September was separate to the work permit scheme but why let facts get in the way of a good story.
Eylon Levy has been fired.
The report claims that his dismissal is due to a "series" of diplomatic incidents, most prominently a post on X in response to statements by British Foreign Secretary David Cameron.
Cameron had urged the Israeli government to send more aid into the Gaza Strip, to which Levy replied claiming Israel was not limiting aid into the Palestinian enclave.
Israel's Channel 12 said the UK's Foreign Office contacted the Israeli government, asking if Levy's posts that "actually attack the position of foreign minister Cameron" reflected their official position, causing Levy's suspension.
Levy was reportedly already on "thin ice" due to his auditioning for Israel's version of Dancing With The Stars without confirming it with his supervisors, and for posting a fake video on X months ago. His spat with Cameron, however, was "the straw that broke the camel's back".
Suspended Israeli spokesperson Eylon Levy reportedly dismissed from his position
www.middleeasteye.net
Breaking: A building next to the Iranian Embassy in Damascus has been bombed to bits, there are casualties.
Also this happened overnight
Australian aid worker in Gaza killed by Israeli air strike, Palestinian officials say
Gaza medical officials say an Australian working with the World Central Kitchen charity was among a group of people killed by an Israeli air strike in central Gaza.www.abc.net.au
As far as I'm concerned, that's an act of war.
Albo and Wong should pull their fingers out of their ar5e5 and immediately stop all trade or aid to Israel.
Aid workers were reportedly clearly wearing their aid insignias.
It's just (more) cold blooded murder.
But I'm sure all the Zionist adherents on here will be celebrating.
Anthony Albanese demands accountability from Israel over death of aid worker in Gaza
Australia Prime Minister Anthony Albanese confirmed that aid worker Lalzawmi "Zomi" Frankcom had been killed in an airstrike in Gaza and demanded accountability for her death.www.sbs.com.au
Albanese has demanded FULL ACCOUNTABILITY for this.