Warnock for .....?

[Moo]

essendon will never trade with fremantle after what they did with keplar bradley...full stop..

What refused your great offer?

What part of this didn't you understand ...

You made an offer

We rejected the offer and countered

You said no we will let delist him first

You delisted him and we took him


I hope every club in the AFL says they don't want to trade with us as we are too hard.

Bring it on.

Richmond and Melb loom as the 2 most in need - though St Kilda and even to a lesser extent a Geelong/Carlton could be in the mix.

Essendon probably think of Ryder as being the one but I think they need him in def and in the ruck.

Who knows and at the moment who cares.

 

[Moo]

no harvey and shaw promised 3rd round pick then reneged on the last minute deal at the trade table...
you got him for nothing...
taught us a lesson we never will forget...
good luck to keps ,i am glad he is doing the job...

God it is hard.

Learn the facts mate ...the 3rd round offer was for Dyson & Bradley - Knights & Co said no just Bradley ...we said no we will take him in the draft. You were never, ever offered 40 for Bradley.

The rumour got started because with 2 minutes to go ...Freo came in with a take it or leave it pick 55 offer ....Essendon said 40 or nothing. I think Essendons and Essendon's fans shittiness comes from assuming we would crack. Bad move.

So guess what you called our bluff and we had a pair. It is no biggie to Essendon - I think a mistake in delisting Kepler but pick 55 is hardly going to mean you never trade with us again.

Seems the Dons were just shitty we wouldn't bend over and give them pick 40 which has turned out to be a very handy pick indeed.

Some posts from the Essendon Board at the time of the deal -

Hey we offered to buy you dinner first but you said no .....once the lights go on at the night club - well you know.

It was reported ...we offered 40 for Dyson and Bradley ...with Dyson off the table it was 56 or nothing.

Doesnt change the fact that we didnt roll over. Obviously Knights rated Dyson (given he signed for two years) so the third rounder for Dyson and Bradley was never going to happen. I would have taken pick 40 for both of them but that is another story.

and with that we got Mayne and Bradley.

Another year of playing hard ball please.

 

[Sman-21]

ryder hmm another tall lightly built loping defender who is at his best as a spare man an can occasionally go up forward.

Nope we dont need another player like that.

MiJohnson,Mundy,Thornton, could even include Gilmore in that list but he actually has pace.

Even though i think 2 of them could be gone at end of this year he still isnt the type of player we need.
Only really need 2 of that type

 

[bomber c]

God it is hard.

Learn the facts mate ...the 3rd round offer was for Dyson & Bradley - Knights & Co said no just Bradley ...we said no we will take him in the draft. You were never, ever offered 40 for Bradley.

The rumour got started because with 2 minutes to go ...Freo came in with a take it or leave it pick 55 offer ....Essendon said 40 or nothing. I think Essendons and Essendon's fans shittiness comes from assuming we would crack. Bad move.

So guess what you called our bluff and we had a pair. It is no biggie to Essendon - I think a mistake in delisting Kepler but pick 55 is hardly going to mean you never trade with us again.

Seems the Dons were just shitty we wouldn't bend over and give them pick 40 which has turned out to be a very handy pick indeed.

Some posts from the Essendon Board at the time of the deal -





and with that we got Mayne and Bradley.

Another year of playing hard ball please.

once bitten twice shy....no deals....as i said you taught us a lesson....

 

[SupersonicDocker]

once bitten twice shy....no deals....as i said you taught us a lesson....

What? to use your brain when making deals?

ha you guys are just dark you took myers over Palmer.... haha

 

[Moo]

What? to use your brain when making deals?

ha you guys are just dark you took myers over Palmer.... haha

Perhaps it is the fact that Kepler Bradley is averaging career highs in handpasses, kicks, marks, goals, hitouts and free kicks for & recording career average lows in frees against and behinds.

Not only that if Kep was back in red and black for them he would be 3rd in average disposals, 2nd in marks, top 10 for inside 50's and 2nd in free kicks earnt.

The funny thing is over in bomberville they are still calling him the dud ...seriously Kep would be very close to top 10 for us currently.

Palmer, Mayne Hinkley and Bradley ....seriously this is potentially the best draft we have ever had.

 

[Chops_a_must]

The funny thing is over in bomberville they are still calling him the dud ...seriously Kep would be very close to top 10 for us currently.

Palmer, Mayne Hinkley and Bradley ....seriously this is potentially the best draft we have ever had.

Indeed.

I bow to your wisdom in these matters draft, and I'm wondering if you would have a thought on us using later picks to look at players aged between the 20-22 region. Given the later picks are a lottery, do you think that is a viable strategy?

 

[Moo]

Indeed.

I bow to your wisdom in these matters draft, and I'm wondering if you would have a thought on us using later picks to look at players aged between the 20-22 region. Given the later picks are a lottery, do you think that is a viable strategy?

Absolutely ...as long as we use the later rounds.

The mistake I think we sometimes make is not being speculative enough on our rookie list. If we kept Dunn to save cash - it is a wasted opportunity.

 

[The Night Shift]

Palmer, Mayne Hinkley and Bradley ....seriously this is potentially the best draft we have ever had.

You could very well be right their Moo

 

[dominguez]

The mistake I think we sometimes make is not being speculative enough on our rookie list. If we kept Dunn to save cash - it is a wasted opportunity.

Dunn was contracted for 2008, and has been injured off and on since drafted. Could you imagine the outcry if we had de-listed him then he got fit and dominated the WAFL/VFL in 2008 while we were still paying him?

It was a low risk move to re-draft him, we might aswell have access to a player if we are paying his wages and if he doesn't show anything in the next 3 months we can de-list him.

 

[bomber c]

You could very well be right their Moo

yeah solly mark johnson have been good gets...
courtney johns must think hes already a docker next year...
you can have him for free...

 

[Wizard]

Keep him at all costs IMO. I watched our only win of the season last night and althogh he didnt get much game time and didnt have the ball much he looked so good.
Moves very very well, kicks well and is a nice tap ruckman. We must try and keep this kid.

And FFS Harvey play him you w***er.

 

[Freo Shark]

Keep him at all costs IMO. I watched our only win of the season last night and althogh he didnt get much game time and didnt have the ball much he looked so good.
Moves very very well, kicks well and is a nice tap ruckman. We must try and keep this kid.

And FFS Harvey play him you w***er.

We want to keep him but you aint going to keep him unless you throw the cheque book at him. Hows that a change of culture at Freo and more importantly a reward for his teammates?

How would Palmer and Ibbo appreciate a lazy, momma's boy, tanty thrower and out of form player getting a fat paycheck after their efforts this year.

Real smart move mate.

 

[Cameron_K]

At this stage I would take a carton of gravy chips for him.

 

[sabre_ac]

We want to keep him but you aint going to keep him unless you throw the cheque book at him. Hows that a change of culture at Freo and more importantly a reward for his teammates?

How would Palmer and Ibbo appreciate a lazy, momma's boy, tanty thrower and out of form player getting a fat paycheck after their efforts this year.

Real smart move mate.

I agree with most of this.

Ibbotson especially...He was in and out of the side, bagged and had to work bloody hard in the WAFL to get a place.

If Warnock isn't performing and is showing attitude problems, I would prefer to have Kepler in the side.

 

[Freo Dr]

A source within a WAFL club informs me that Warnock had let West Perth know some months ago that he would not be playing for them next year...

If and this is a big if, if we finish 2nd bottom to Melbourne, we might actually be better off forcing Mebourne to pick him up in the PSD with pick 1. That would in effect give us leverage over other clubs with number 2 PSD draft pick, knowing Melbourne will use theirs for Warnock.

If we don't finish 2nd bottom we have to take what we can get, a fair trade would be 3rd round pick maybe.

 

[estibador]

If and this is a big if, if we finish 2nd bottom to Melbourne, we might actually be better off forcing Mebourne to pick him up in the PSD with pick 1. That would in effect give us leverage over other clubs with number 2 PSD draft pick, knowing Melbourne will use theirs for Warnock.

I never thought about it like that. Depending on who's available that could actually be far more valuable than an average draft pick that Melbourne offers. Effectively trading Warnock for whoever we can screw another club out of.

And to anyone saying we should play him to bump up his value... aren't we desperate to develop a culture where players bleed for the jumper? How are we going to do that when we're giving games to lazy half hearted players who don't want to be here just to make them more attractive to other clubs?

 

[The Night Shift]

A source within a WAFL club informs me that Warnock had let West Perth know some months ago that he would not be playing for them next year...

If and this is a big if, if we finish 2nd bottom to Melbourne, we might actually be better off forcing Mebourne to pick him up in the PSD with pick 1. That would in effect give us leverage over other clubs with number 2 PSD draft pick, knowing Melbourne will use theirs for Warnock.

If we don't finish 2nd bottom we have to take what we can get, a fair trade would be 3rd round pick maybe.

I never thought about it like that. Depending on who's available that could actually be far more valuable than an average draft pick that Melbourne offers. Effectively trading Warnock for whoever we can screw another club out of.

And to anyone saying we should play him to bump up his value... aren't we desperate to develop a culture where players bleed for the jumper? How are we going to do that when we're giving games to lazy half hearted players who don't want to be here just to make them more attractive to other clubs?

very interesting points made there lads

 

[bigkev bleeds purple]

What we need even more is for a very high profile player to nominate in the PSD and get Melbourne to commit their pick to that player.

I've always thought that Booze Bus Benny is an oxygen thief, but he could yet do one useful thing with his life.

 

[theGav56]

If and this is a big if, if we finish 2nd bottom to Melbourne, we might actually be better off forcing Mebourne to pick him up in the PSD with pick 1. That would in effect give us leverage over other clubs with number 2 PSD draft pick, knowing Melbourne will use theirs for Warnock.

Yep, top idea. And also the point of this thread, made in the opening post. Sheeesh!

If we get shafted by Warnock and Melbourne via the PSD, the possibility of any of these guys coming to us via the PSD opens up a bit, assuming that we remain in as bad a way as we currently are.

 

[Trav 20]

If and this is a big if, if we finish 2nd bottom to Melbourne, we might actually be better off forcing Mebourne to pick him up in the PSD with pick 1. That would in effect give us leverage over other clubs with number 2 PSD draft pick, knowing Melbourne will use theirs for Warnock.

Fair point, although it presupposes that Warnock will be the best uncontracted player in the preseason draft, which may not be the case. But it still puts pressure on Melbourne, as other clubs may offer a viable deal for Warnock and he may not be totally wedded to the bottom team even if his Brother happens to play there.

 

[rgauci]

Fair point, although it presupposes that Warnock will be the best uncontracted player in the preseason draft, which may not be the case. But it still puts pressure on Melbourne, as other clubs may offer a viable deal for Warnock and he may not be totally wedded to the bottom team even if his Brother happens to play there.

But if we come 2nd last, we can take him back if no-one better is available. Should be enough leverage to get Melbourne's 2nd round pick.

 

[LemmingMaster]

If it is true what a few people are saying and Warnock was always leaving at the end of this season, then I'm glad Harvey had the balls to not play him.

Warnock has basically done nothing at WAFL level to warrant a game, Bradley has been a revelation this year, I certainly did not pick him to be playing this good.

 

[Belnakor]

I think you mean revelation but yes. Kepler has had a good start to the season, playing in the role that everyone at Essendon was saying he should have played.

Harvey is showing other people that if you pull this shit like Warnock has then the club will be absolutely mercenary and not put any effort into your development at all. Good times.

I've got a relative who plays for West Perth, who reckons Warnock's attitude stinks. though i hadn't heard that he informed the club he wasn't going to be playing next year.

 

[Brettox]

Look at which Melbourne clubs need a ruckman.

Melbourne - they need just about everything
Carlton - Kruezer may not be a true ruckman, have Hampson as well
Collingwood - Traded for Cameron Wood, won't be involved
Essendon - Ruck stocks aren't that deep
Bulldogs - Traded for Hudson, may look for his replacement. Maybe for Farren Ray.
Richmond - Don't have much behind Simmonds
Hawthorn - can't see how they could afford him unless they offload a player to create room in Salsry cap. Jordan Lewis or Chance Bateman ... Not likely
Geelong - Do need ruck depth in their team. Fringe mid plus draft pick
Kangaroos - quite strong in ruck with a bit of depth

Most likely teams that could or would chase him would be Melbourne, Carlton, Bulldogs, Richmond or Geelong.

Best bet would be Bulldogs if they could get Farren Ray.