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[Postman_Pav]

His slow there is no question at all about it. He looked slow in games during the year. I was not popular when I brought it up in the middle of Sidebottom fever during the year. His draft camp results confirmed my thoughts. He is just smarter then most. At 18's level it is deffinately enough to compensate. At AFL level I am not so sure. I think the slower you are once you get to AFL level the more prolific you have to be inside. I am not sure his going to be that either and hence my question marks

Very good post. Steele's pace is an issue, everyone knows it is. He tested quite abit slower than Micheal Hurley which says alot. Luckily Steele has nous to get away with it most of the time, or at least he did through u18s. Pace of AFL is a big step up though.

 

[shawthing09]

Regardless I think Hine would know just a little bit more about it than anyone on here. I think pros and cons would have been thrown around quite a bit and I trust that he has got it right.

I see what your saying Shawthing_09 but I'm pretty sure your a glass half empty kind of guy whereas I'm the other way around.... Let's hope we are both satisfied by the end of next year though.....

I'd like to think I am more of a realist. I have no problems getting excited about someone like J-Mac who I believe has everything required to be elite. Reid too for that matter.

I am probably more optimistic about guys like Toovey and deffinately about guys like Stanley then most.

 

[DaVe86]

I was on Steele way before the TAC cup GF, I was so happy when i heard his name called.

Really what the doctor ordered. This is going to be a great draft for the Collingwood Football club. Steele is the type of player i can see many wearing the number of at the footy.

To come back as a 17 year old and come 3rd in the 2km time trial is a huge achievement.

To those unsure how he managed to do it...just consider that he tested fantastically at draft camp on all the endurance tests. I anticipate within 2 years he will be winning all these trials in fantastic times. Along with Pendlebury, we could have the hardest running and fittest midfield.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

I usually hate lifting others' reponses word-for-word, but this reply on Nicks (http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=47596&start=15) was an absolute gem:-

thats what i based my response on

 

[DaVe86]

Nope not at all.

I am just saying Sidebottom has a lot of elite attributes to AFL standard right now so it is easy to get carried away. His kicking is at an elite AFL standard, his endurance and his footy smarts are at the least above average.

He is however not without his drawbacks and question marks like any drafted player. Unfortunately with Sidebottom, his pace is not something that is "fixable" so it is more a question mark of whether he can A) Be good enough inside for that to be irrelevant or B) If his general footy smarts is enough to compensate for that lack of pace at AFL level. His endurance is certainly a big plus.

whats pace when you can hit a target over 40 metres??

Bartel, Corey, Enright and Kelly are all slow, yet are part of one of the quickest midfields going around.

Same goes with Mitchell and Sewell...Hodge aint a lightning bolt either.


As Hine said...Steele 'plays quick'. Unfortunately, the pacier guys tend to be more outside players...what we needed was an insider who has good skills. We got the best one.

 

[7zark7]

What a pick up guys. Not only is he a footballer but he is also an athelete.

Thanks god teams have stopped drafting atheletes abd trying to turn them into footballers. Luckily with SS you have the best of both worlds.

 

[MagpieGirl_13]

... and there I was thinking we'd drafted a cow....
Thank's for clearing that up....

 

[wicksy]

... and there I was thinking we'd drafted a cow....
Thank's for clearing that up....

No worries at all.

 

[shawthing09]

whats pace when you can hit a target over 40 metres??

Bartel, Corey, Enright and Kelly are all slow, yet are part of one of the quickest midfields going around.

Same goes with Mitchell and Sewell...Hodge aint a lightning bolt either.


As Hine said...Steele 'plays quick'. Unfortunately, the pacier guys tend to be more outside players...what we needed was an insider who has good skills. We got the best one.

Kelly and Enright are certainly not elite, Corey is arguable. All of which I'd argue are made look a lot better by the overall dominance of guys like Ablett, Selwood and Bartel.

Mitchell and Hodge are examples of what I was saying in that the slower you are the more prolific you need to be inside. Hodge's pace off the mark is good and combined with his core strength is an asset. Sewell is better defensively then Sidebottom. Sewell's more pseudo tagger then midfielder in his own right. Sidebottom's defensive side to his game is the only other area I can be critical.

The other thing is we are not talking about Steele being of average pace, he is genuinely slow.

Name a genuinely slow player who isn't Kpp or Ruck or a clearance king and is still considered elite.

 

[swiftdog]

A 2K time-trial measures just that, how quickly a player runs 2KM's. I wouldn't read too much into it as most players will cover much greater distances during a game. Although a VO2max score can be taken from this test I'm sure the Lexus Centre/VIS would have a better way of working it out.

 

[DWil6]

I wouldn't worry too much. He was awesome in his age group as were Judd and Hodge etc. That's all that matters for now. We need to give him time to grow and improve as he will. Hodge wasn't dominating straight away against men so it's kind of irrelevant to compare him to one. He is a gun junior who can and should take the step to gun senior.

 

[Bloben]

Name a genuinely slow player who isn't Kpp or Ruck or a clearance king and is still considered elite.

Steele Sidebottom


In all seriousness, pace is important in a linebreaking player whose main skill is to burn opposition off by running. For other types of midfielder I would prefer football smarts and disposal skills over pace. We need a bit more of a Sam Mitchell than a Rhyce Shaw. Whether Steele will ever be one of the games elite or not is unknown however he is the right fit for us.

 

[shawthing09]

Steele Sidebottom


In all seriousness, pace is important in a linebreaking player whose main skill is to burn opposition off by running. For other types of midfielder I would prefer football smarts and disposal skills over pace. We need a bit more of a Sam Mitchell than a Rhyce Shaw. Whether Steele will ever be one of the games elite or not is unknown however he is the right fit for us.

This is the core of it all. The more outside you are the more pace you require and the slower you are the more prolific you need to be IMO. The slower you are, the less space and uncontested ball you will be able to find the better you need to be at being a first touch player, around stoppages etc.

Which is why when bringing up my concerns over his pace, I also mention that I am convinced his good enough inside. I think his more of a neat tweener. Who goes hard and can win it and will give it everything but is not a prolific "extractor" which is why I am worried about his lack of pace. Hence me not being concerened about Stanley's pace or was never worried about SSB's pace but am about Sidebottom.

 

[Dave The Man]

This is the core of it all. The more outside you are the more pace you require and the slower you are the more prolific you need to be inside IMO. The slower you are, the less space and uncontested ball you will be able to find. So you need to be better at being a first touch player, around stoppages etc.

Which is why when bringing up my concerns over his pace, I also mention that I am convinced his good enough inside. I think his more of a neat tweener. Who goes hard and can win it and will give it everything but is not a prolific "extractor" which is why I am worried about his lack of pace. Hence me not being concerened about Stanley's pace or was never worried about SSB's pace but am about Sidebottom.

Well Training in a Proffesinal's does mean his speed can Improve nothing huge but can bring it up to a Better Standered.

We just have to see how he goes in the Seniors before passing Judgement

 

[FloreatPica17]

I watched TAC cup grand final and it was superhuman to say the least. But I think even Rusty himself realises everyone can have a day out once in a while.
I'm thinking of Mark McGough's Anzac Day in 2002. It seemed to put a heap of pressure on him for the rest of his short career ... hope same not for Buns of Steele.

 

[Dave The Man]

I watched TAC cup grand final and it was superhuman to say the least. But I think even Rusty himself realises everyone can have a day out once in a while.
I'm thinking of Mark McGough's Anzac Day in 2002. It seemed to put a heap of pressure on him for the rest of his short career ... hope same not for Buns of Steele.

What do you mean Short Carrier?

 

[DoubleO7]

What do you mean Short Carrier?

He played 37 games for Collingwood and 9 for St Kilda.

 

[Dave The Man]

He played 37 games for Collingwood and 9 for St Kilda.

You where talking about McGough and I thought you meant Steele

Let's hope Steele plays 200+ Games

 

[Pie eyed]

That is true.

It worries me a little that a 17 year old player can come in and place third against opposition who have been high altitude training for 2 weeks.

Is this because SS is just a freak? Were the boys trying? Are our players engines not what they should be?

Lets see.
I reckon your half answered the question yourself.
The other boys have just flown to the US, run themselves ragged for a fortnight and then flown back to Aus.
Then you have "Rusty" who on Saturday got drafted to a dream Club, is 17 and probably has a few thousand cc's of adrenalin pumping through his already fit system.

In short..."the kids on a high".

Whats the club record for the 2000?...Have a look at that before you draw too many snappy conclusions.

 

[HFF]

Pace is overrated.

Mitchell, Hodge, Sewell, Lewis.

Bartel, Corey, Enright, Selwood.

Voss, Lappin, Black.

Cousins, Kerr, Braun, Fletcher.

What do they have in common?

Premiership midfields without alot of pace.

They are pure gut-running midfielders who first and foremost win and use the football and run all day.

Their line breakers come/came from Abletts, Batemans, Akermanis', Judd's, etc.

Steele will be just fine, without the "pace".

Winning and using the football is what determines ultimate success and it is an area in which our team has been lacking. We have the outside players in Thomas, Davis, Wellingham etc. Now we have the ball-winners in Pendles, Swan, Sidebottom, Beams and Stanley.

Good times ahead.

 

[DoubleO7]

Why do people keep perceiving Wellingham as outside? He is a smaller quicker version of Pendlebury.

 

[Dundalis]

Don't know why you put Kerr in there, when he is very quick and would be a gun player even if he was purely outside. The ultimate inside-outside player.

 

[Dundalis]

Why do people keep perceiving Wellingham as outside? He is a smaller quicker version of Pendlebury.

Pendlebury is outside. Wellingham however will be more of an extractor than Pendlebury I think.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Pendlebury is outside. Wellingham however will be more of an extractor than Pendlebury I think.

Wellingham is not, I repeat not an extractor. He is purely outside.

Pendles is both. He doesn't get underneath the packs. But he does the close in work, avoiding tackles & hands off to the outside players. Sometimes that's him.

 

[RRRooocccaaa]

But he does the close in work, avoiding tackles & hands off to the outside players. Sometimes that's him.

He hands off to himself?!? Geez the arrogance!