What's wrong with the AFL ?

[gavaniacono]

Pretty ironic when the AFL is registered as a not for profit organisation.

NFPs are a business model.

 

[Kwality]

I dont get the premise of the OP. The way I look at it the players are celebrities and there are less scandals in AFL than you would expect for celebrities.
I put this down to the fact they lead very disciplined lives and have limited scope for self infulgence.
The AFL tries to educate at the induction of draftees. and acts when it must.
Not sure what else is relevant

Equally the first reaction of the AFL to the slightest whiff of trouble is to protect the brand as it did in the blackest day for Aus sport.

 

[Kwality]

Never questioned the commitment of clubs in looking after their own players and staff and at times at the expense of public perception.
Which it would appear is somewhat the bi-polar opposite to the way AFL head office run.

the bi-polar opposite
hello, the what? Dr Google couldnt help !!

 

[_Mike_]

NFPs are a business model.

Which the AFL is bound to abide by the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission Act 2012 in running its "not for profit" business model

 

[Marc_Remillard]

If someone tries to embarrass or damage the AFL brand in the media they will turn on them

 

[Bokonon_]

Equally the first reaction of the AFL to the slightest whiff of trouble is to protect the brand as it did in the blackest day for Aus sport.

It's your view and your entitled.
I actually think that's a part of rheir role though. But if what your saying is the AFL needs to confront issues openly and transparently then your not going to get any argument from me.

 

[gavaniacono]

Which the AFL is bound to abide by the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission Act 2012 in running its "not for profit" business model

Have they not abided?

 

[Toump Ass]

Thoughts.

The brand and the bottom line are more important than the fans or the game.

Hird was the scapegoat for the supplements saga, and even though he made things infinitely worse for himself the AFL were ****ing abominable for their part as well.

I'm fine with Carey's acceptance back into the AFL community as he genuinely showed remorse for his actions- and had a lengthy penance.

AFL handling of the claytons tanking was another reminder... Gimme some transparency.

Were you calling for transparency when your head coach admitted to tanking for Cotchin?

Didn't think so.

 

[gavaniacono]

The brand and the bottom line are more important than the fans or the game.

Hird was the scapegoat for the supplements saga, and even though he made things infinitely worse for himself the AFL were ******* abominable for their part as well.

I'm fine with Carey's acceptance back into the AFL community as he genuinely showed remorse for his actions- and had a lengthy penance.

Were you calling for transparency when your head coach admitted tanking for Cotchin?

Didn't think so.

Brain fart?
Hangover?

 

[_Mike_]

Have they not abided?

A previous poster arguing that the AFL is a business states that the AFL puts money ahead of player welfare.

 

[EIGHTYEIGHTEIGHTYNINE]

the bi-polar opposite
hello, the what? Dr Google couldnt help !!

Sometimes diametrically opposed, other times in complete accord

 

[M Malice]

the AFL is like all other large profile sporting bodies in that they react to perception and don't make decisions in the most part based on facts and justice or what is right and correct.

IMO they operate as a reactive group who pander to the media (who like to stir up controversy/outrage/sensationalism) in order to protect their "brand".

 

[andrewb]

[QUOTE="andrewb, post: 48354126, member:

The CEO is paid more than the best players in the competition, $3m to manage a pissant business that wouldn't even make the ASX100.

Your post is fair enough opinion but this statement isn't right. It wouldn't becuase it's not a company but it would on turnover. Never happen I hope because it's fundamentally not a for profit business.[/QUOTE]

Mate it's not a big business. Revenues are around $500m p.a. For comparison's sake the CEO of Myer gets about $1.2M to manage a company that does $3B odd. Gil's salary is almost equivalent to a bank CEO and those guys are presiding over $10B in revenue and far more complex business structures. It's an absolute joke.

 

[Bokonon_]

Your post is fair enough opinion but this statement isn't right. It wouldn't becuase it's not a company but it would on turnover. Never happen I hope because it's fundamentally not a for profit business.

Mate it's not a big business. Revenues are around $500m p.a. For comparison's sake the CEO of Myer gets about $1.2M to manage a company that does $3B odd. Gil's salary is almost equivalent to a bank CEO and those guys are presiding over $10B in revenue and far more complex business structures. It's an absolute joke.[/QUOTE]
Actually your right. I was using the revenue from tv rights and thinking they must make the cut of around $1.7b.
The flaw was the tv revenue is a spread out and not in a single year.
I apologise.

 

[Toump Ass]

Brain fart?
Hangover?

How would I know what's wrong with you?

We can go with hangover if you like...

 

[andrewb]

Mate it's not a big business. Revenues are around $500m p.a. For comparison's sake the CEO of Myer gets about $1.2M to manage a company that does $3B odd. Gil's salary is almost equivalent to a bank CEO and those guys are presiding over $10B in revenue and far more complex business structures. It's an absolute joke.

Actually your right. I was using the revenue from tv rights and thinking they must make the cut of around $1.7b.
The flaw was the tv revenue is a spread out and not in a single year.
I apologise.[/QUOTE]
No worries

 

[Since 2001]

Recently we have seen champions of the game , Hird and Cousins, who were alleged to have wrongly used drugs , banned from the game put under immense scrutiny and subsequently there lives have spiraled out of control.
On the flip side we have seen players caught red handed , banned and rightfully welcomed back with open arms.
There are many conspiracy theories as to the steps that occured involving the AFL during both the Hird and Cousin cases , with many close to those people very critical of the AFL.
Let's not forget that in both cases it has come to light that plenty others at the respective clubs were using.
For every Hird , Cousin and even Goodes story there are similar claims of miss treatment by relatively unknowns who have a involvement at grass roots level.
It would appear the brand is starting to get on the nose , primarily due to it's ongoing miss handling of big football personal issues and alleged creating of a scapegoats .
Thoughts.

I don't think its so much the afl, its the media for me.

The media use ben cousins for a story. The guy is sick and needs help, not more articles written about him and putting him even more in the public eye.
James Hird, been smashed by the media for 3 years. It would feel like consistent harassment and theres nothing he can do. Imagine the guilt he already feels about what has happen, the media following his every step has just made it worse.
As for goodes. The media change, chop and switch the story to fit their agenda. The race card was pulled and make everyone out to be racists. Yes race could've been a factor for some and for others his play style or to put him off the game mentally. Ive never seen articles written when other players who are not of colour who get booed saying its racist.

The media is the problem for me.

 

[TedDougChris]

Hundreds of thousands of dollars being thrown at young adults who have limited life experience and are yet to develop a level of maturity. Yet the public puts such great expectations on them and scrutinise them at every opportunity.

Since the evolution of the game from a suburban fanfare to a national competition with endorsements and sponsorships at risk the young kids have to grow up fast. We've always had issues with drug use in the 18-25 age group and whether you chose to ignore it or not today's age has big brother looking over its shoulder at every step.

Sometimes we need to let kids be kids however the AFL has the responsibility on it's head to look after their welfare

This issue is common across a number of professional sports, particularly soccer.

 

[Doss]

I put this down to the fact they lead very disciplined lives and have limited scope for self infulgence.

I can't agree with this one. You have young men earning far more than most people their age, even with considerable qualifications, could hope to earn. And yet they only spend, at most, seven months of 12 every year actually playing competitive games.

Being an AFL player opens many doors to them that otherwise wouldn't be open either.

I'd say the scope for rampant self-indulgence is very much there, in spite of the discipline they must exercise to be elite level footballers.

 

[Bokonon_]

I can't agree with this one. You have young men earning far more than most people their age, even with considerable qualifications, could hope to earn. And yet they only spend, at most, seven months of 12 every year actually playing competitive games.

Being an AFL player opens many doors to them that otherwise wouldn't be open either.

I'd say the scope for rampant self-indulgence is very much there, in spite of the discipline they must exercise to be elite level footballers.

It's opinion
From videos on our website about the players getting collected by Welfare staff and taken to training most days and delivered back home late and no doubt tired my perception is their days are pretty full generally. That's where I was coming from.
I get they've got plenty of money and no doubt hangers on, although less so in Sydney. One thing that shocked me was one Bio on Tomlinson suggested interested girls send pics, would have thought finding a girlfreind wouldn't be that hard for him, can assume he was time poor.
Evidence is thise that want to find trouble do, so I concede you might have a point.

 

[Kwality]

Your post is fair enough opinion but this statement isn't right. It wouldn't becuase it's not a company but it would on turnover. Never happen I hope because it's fundamentally not a for profit business.

Mate it's not a big business. Revenues are around $500m p.a. For comparison's sake the CEO of Myer gets about $1.2M to manage a company that does $3B odd. Gil's salary is almost equivalent to a bank CEO and those guys are presiding over $10B in revenue and far more complex business structures. It's an absolute joke.[/QUOTE]

Andy you hit on a failure of our game to control its costs ... I once told my boss, the more he pays me, the more he will get paid - not acceptable when its out of control as is the AFL industry, the industry works on paying each other more.
Sure it costs to get management talent, & if they are worth it, the game will be better off .... Gil is overpaid IMO, Andy was set KPIs , achieved them & banked the proceeds. Fair enough !
Senior salaries at the AFL, at the clubs should follow the same procedure as public companies, its disclosure, and the fans of our game (members or not) deserve to know - club insiders should not afforded any info, make it public & its up to the AFL Commission to police the disclosure for not only the AFL but definitely for all the clubs.
Are jobs in the AFL subject to transparency or are they jobs for the boys, the boys in Melbourne?

 

[Furn2]

The AFL didn't make Cousins do copius amounts of drugs or make Hird implement a team wide doping program.

 

[Kwality]

The AFL didn't make Cousins do copius amounts of drugs or make Hird implement a team wide doping program.

Now that is perceptive & so correct even if totally irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[gavaniacono]

How would I know what's wrong with you?

We can go with hangover if you like...

That tanking reference really got a reaction out if you didn't it. As if I was pointing my finger at you because you are a melbourne suporter, and you know, if you support a club, you are responsible for everything they do. You dirty tanker you!

 

[Teen Wolf]

Recently we have seen champions of the game , Hird and Cousins, who were alleged to have wrongly used drugs , banned from the game put under immense scrutiny and subsequently there lives have spiraled out of control.
On the flip side we have seen players caught red handed , banned and rightfully welcomed back with open arms.

But enough about Hird and Cousins. What about the flip side?