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Which A-Grade Midfielder?

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True - but I think the players you mention have plenty of room for improvement as none have played even 50 games. Milera appears to have been an excellent pick up and by all reports will be pushing immediately for a spot.
Agree. It's frustrating though, a few quality mids have changed clubs over the past few seasons and we can't seem to get in on it. If we could do a collingwood (Adams, Treloar, Aish) over a couple of offseasons it would set us up nicely.
 
We're just about to start a new season, and you're talking already about 2017

We don't know ATS what our priority of needs are .....who will step up this season ......we even don't know yet what roles the trades/draftee's will play ?

There's a lot of players that would "be nice to have" .......but that's not what list management is about ...the club will during the year determine it's needs .......we can assume a KPF .....but the mid really is a guess by the BF community because we lost Dangerfield

If CEY steps up ....we may say "that need has been covered" .....if he doesn't these discussions will continue

How many disposals did Patty average/effective I guess is the equation. It might actually be matched by a less than elite replacement, he did afterall butcher a lot of disposals, still loved watching him hit a ball flat out and pick it up cleanly and burst out of a pack. We may well be fine without him after all, every team better than us didn't have Dangerfield.
 
I think we are undervaluing Dangers ability to win the contest and get the ball out, perhaps instead of us winning it our opposition might
 

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I think we are undervaluing Dangers ability to win the contest and get the ball out, perhaps instead of us winning it our opposition might

Absolutely, that's also part of the equation.
It will be interesting to see if someone we have fills the void or if we really struggle.
I'm bloody itching for the first nab to see what we may be like, I really think we'll improve this year. There is a lot to be said for mindset, having Tex , Sloane, Thommo, Dougy etc. guys who know what it takes coupled with last years emotion still driving us.
 
Agree. It's frustrating though, a few quality mids have changed clubs over the past few seasons and we can't seem to get in on it. If we could do a collingwood (Adams, Treloar, Aish) over a couple of offseasons it would set us up nicely.
Some were wanting us to swap our 1st rounder for Aish, which we used on Milera.

Would be funny if Milera has more impact than Aish...

Sanders - some recruits can have impact in their 1st year - M Crouch & Smith were other ones... though I agree most don't for a few years.
 
I think we are undervaluing Dangers ability to win the contest and get the ball out, perhaps instead of us winning it our opposition might
I think you are correct that we will have lower contested ball numbers, as even with improvement from the Crouches, CEY, etc... likely to be less than Danger who was a contested beast.

The key will be improved ball use, less turnovers & improved outside midfielders.

ie. Improving the overall balance of our midfield.
 
How many disposals did Patty average/effective I guess is the equation. It might actually be matched by a less than elite replacement, he did afterall butcher a lot of disposals, still loved watching him hit a ball flat out and pick it up cleanly and burst out of a pack. We may well be fine without him after all, every team better than us didn't have Dangerfield.
Look you can do the equation like this .....Dangerfield averaged 30 possessions per game .....replacement this year averages 20, so we're 10 possessions short

However it's not pure stats ......Dangerfield is a matchwinner ...kicks that goal, takes that pressure mark .....makes that solo dash

However i do agree, we can make that up with additional players over the ground ......we'll have to see how it works out ;)
 
Sanders - some recruits can have impact in their 1st year - M Crouch & Smith were other ones... though I agree most don't for a few years.
That said ...Milera has been successful at SANFL senior level against men and finals ......i would expect that Milera could do an Aish in his first year ......although Brisbane was at a different level of development to us
 
I think we are undervaluing Dangers ability to win the contest and get the ball out, perhaps instead of us winning it our opposition might
After watching a heap of last year's games - and noting PD and his efforts specifically - I still don't know what Dangerfield's direct influence was.

Breaking lines? Yep he did that a few times, but didn't damage oppositions teams with his use of the ball.

Inside 50s? He had a few - but my god they were mostly ordinary in terms of both decision and execution.

3rd man up? His personal favourite ploy. I can't recall one time during the season where I was screaming at the TV for Dangerfield to stay out of the ruck contest - then he goes 3rd man up - and it worked. Campo and I are on the same page with that one :-)

Contested Possessions - for sure. That is his forte. Contested Marks, ground balls - he is a bull. The one thing he did regularly was get in and get the ball out of packs, but I would not be exaggerating to say that 50% of the time he dished it out to no-one's clear advantage.

Did he take a good player from the opposition? Yep, usually the best stopper... but I cannot imagine that leaving PD off the hook so to speak would ever kill you as a team. Think of Robert Harvey in that final. He's just not as damaging as the really good players in my eyes.

Did PD inspire his team mates? I'd say yes. Although it wasn't his hardness or his skill or his weapons on game day - probably moreso his constant professionalism and effort.

Maybe Patrick's biggest influence was that he could do a bit of everything well. I am really interested to see how he goes in another team with different roles and structures ... but not as interested to see what we look like on game day with our new midfield.
 
After watching a heap of last year's games - and noting PD and his efforts specifically - I still don't know what Dangerfield's direct influence was.

Breaking lines? Yep he did that a few times, but didn't damage oppositions teams with his use of the ball.

Inside 50s? He had a few - but my god they were mostly ordinary in terms of both decision and execution.

3rd man up? His personal favourite ploy. I can't recall one time during the season where I was screaming at the TV for Dangerfield to stay out of the ruck contest - then he goes 3rd man up - and it worked. Campo and I are on the same page with that one :)

Contested Possessions - for sure. That is his forte. Contested Marks, ground balls - he is a bull. The one thing he did regularly was get in and get the ball out of packs, but I would not be exaggerating to say that 50% of the time he dished it out to no-one's clear advantage.

Did he take a good player from the opposition? Yep, usually the best stopper... but I cannot imagine that leaving PD off the hook so to speak would ever kill you as a team. Think of Robert Harvey in that final. He's just not as damaging as the really good players in my eyes.

Did PD inspire his team mates? I'd say yes. Although it wasn't his hardness or his skill or his weapons on game day - probably moreso his constant professionalism and effort.

Maybe Patrick's biggest influence was that he could do a bit of everything well. I am really interested to see how he goes in another team with different roles and structures ... but not as interested to see what we look like on game day with our new midfield.
Dear oh dear
 

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Well do tell me more Peter, or don't you have an opinion of your own? Instead of "Dear oh dear" how about telling me what you think we will miss most from the loss of PD? And don't say "the third best player in the comp", be specific.
The thing is, you aren't called a top 5 player in the comp for no reason. That's a conclusion generally drawn based upon a whole range of factors, achievements etc etc.

When you total all those things up, across a number of seasons, a player is that good that he gets that reputation - it speaks for itself.

So yes I counter your post by simply referring to him as one of the top players in the comp which is really all that needs to be said.

Attempts to dissect and discredit his game are petty and run contrary to pretty much every opinion of note in the game
 
<snip>Attempts to dissect and discredit his game are petty and run contrary to pretty much every opinion of note in the game
So we should just look at the ratings and all agree? Maybe we could just add up the number of ratings points for each team and decide the premiership that way?

What I said was - on watching replays from 2015 I couldn't pinpoint what Dangerfield brought to the table beyond contested possessions and some leadership.

Happy to discuss that point if you feel so inclined, but surely you are better than just a snide comment that adds nothing?

I'm not pouring out sour grapes here Peter, I have never cottoned onto what makes Dangerfield considered a top player.

What precisely did you think PD brought to the team on game day on 2015?
 
So we should just look at the ratings and all agree? Maybe we could just add up the number of ratings points for each team and decide the premiership that way?

What I said was - on watching replays from 2015 I couldn't pinpoint what Dangerfield brought to the table beyond contested possessions and some leadership.

Happy to discuss that point if you feel so inclined, but surely you are better than just a snide comment that adds nothing?

I'm not pouring out sour grapes here Peter, I have never cottoned onto what makes Dangerfield considered a top player.

What precisely did you think PD brought to the team on game day on 2015?
Oh come on you've been pushing this barrow for long enough.

He's gone, and as much as you want to believe he's turned into an average player overnight it's just not true.

You'd have a shred more credibility on this issue if you could produce a post you made in say 2012 making all the same critical observations as you do now.

My guess is that around that time you were just as enamoured with him as everyone else
 
Oh come on you've been pushing this barrow for long enough.

He's gone, and as much as you want to believe he's turned into an average player overnight it's just not true.

You'd have a shred more credibility on this issue if you could produce a post you made in say 2012 making all the same critical observations as you do now.

My guess is that around that time you were just as enamoured with him as everyone else

Interesting that he was a fair way back in the coaches association award. Would be interesting to see the top 5 of the players mvp next to the coaches over the last few years. I'd be surprised if there aren't many posts in 2012 hoping for Danger to use the ball a bit better and add an outside dimension to his game. It hasn't just been Port supporters saying his disposal needs to improve over his tenure with us. It's been a pretty constant discussion topic. Especially that year that Sando had him playing hurt.
 

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Oh come on you've been pushing this barrow for long enough.

He's gone, and as much as you want to believe he's turned into an average player overnight it's just not true.

You'd have a shred more credibility on this issue if you could produce a post you made in say 2012 making all the same critical observations as you do now.

My guess is that around that time you were just as enamoured with him as everyone else
OK, so no chance of a reasonable discussion then. I do notice that you don't try and answer any questions - or tell what you think.

I have always admired Dangerfield's talents, I wanted him to stay ... but I don't think he is as important a player as everyone is making out - and I do believe that we could be a better team without him.
 
Oh come on you've been pushing this barrow for long enough.

He's gone, and as much as you want to believe he's turned into an average player overnight it's just not true.

You'd have a shred more credibility on this issue if you could produce a post you made in say 2012 making all the same critical observations as you do now.

My guess is that around that time you were just as enamoured with him as everyone else
Average player? That is a classic strawman mate. I never even went close to saying that. You seem unable to add anything ... why don't you just tell me what you think of PD and what he brought that we will miss beyond contested possessions and some leadership - then I can understand.
 
Interesting that he was a fair way back in the coaches association award. Would be interesting to see the top 5 of the players mvp next to the coaches over the last few years. I'd be surprised if there aren't many posts in 2012 hoping for Danger to use the ball a bit better and add an outside dimension to his game. It hasn't just been Port supporters saying his disposal needs to improve over his tenure with us. It's been a pretty constant discussion topic. Especially that year that Sando had him playing hurt.

I posted something along those lines back in 2012, funnily enough it was on the Port board. Despite Danger's faults, and he does have them, all his talents combined make him one the competition's current best and I strongly suspect that we will have trouble filling his shoes, at least for this year while we adapt to the loss. The things I believe we may miss the most will be the goals he kicks and the metres gained, although I hope the inclusion of our new recruits may lessen the impact of the latter of the two.
 

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