Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[WalshistheGOAT]

I think just about all of these would classify as 'match winning' performances... Maybe 1 or 2 could be excluded on this measure

2024

Rd 1 - 7 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 6 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 9 - 5 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 11 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 15 - 9 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 16 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 23 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes

2023

Rd 3 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 14 - 8 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes

2022

Rd 1 - 10 coaches votes, 1 brownlow vote
Rd 2 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 3 - 5 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 7 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 8 - 8 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 13 - 6 coaches votes 1 brownlow vote
Rd 19 - 6 coaches votes 2 brownlow votes

2021

Rd 3 - 5 coaches votes, 2 brownlow votes

2019

Rd 12 -10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes
Rd 19 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes

2018

Rd 19 - 10 coaches votes, 3 brownlow votes

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

most of those games were thrashings, try again

Is that the criteria now is it? So a player absolutely s***stomps another team with a clear dominant BOG but its not a match winning performance because they won by too much?

You lot are absolute clowns lmao

 

[Arr0w]

The use of rhetorical click bait terms like contender, match winner, etc is a weak rebuttal in a conversation of facts

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Can we get Nicky's list now please? 20 games of Crippa took about 10 minutes of research... Only fair that Fadge provides his list of the holy squibs heroics to compare it to

 

[Fadge]

Lets start going from:

2024

Rd 1 - 31d, 21cp, 4cl, 7si, 4tk
Rd 6 - 39d, 24cp, 13 cl, 11si, 7tk
Rd 9 - 35d, 19cp, 7cl, 4si, 5tk, 1gl
Rd 11 - 31d, 16cp, 13cl, 11si, 6tk, 1gl
Rd 15 - 41d, 18cp, 14cl, 8si, 5tk
Rd 16 - 40d, 17cp, 14cl, 8si, 4tk, 3ga
Rd 23 - 35d, 21cp, 10cl, 12si, 2tk, 1ga

2023

Rd 3 - 42d, 20cp, 13cl, 11si, 1tk
Rd 14 - 27d, 14cp, 7cl, 11si, 4tk, 3gl

2022

Rd 1 - 30d, 11cp, 8cl, 10si, 2tk, 3gl
Rd 2 - 35d, 23cp, 11cl, 12si, 5tk, 2gl
Rd 3 - 31d, 12cp, 6cl, 6si, 11tk, 1gl
Rd 7 - 35d, 18cp, 10cl, 11si, 4tk, 1gl
Rd 8 - 35d, 19cp, 10cl, 12si, 7tk, 2gl, 2ga
Rd 13 - 28d, 13cp, 8cl, 8si, 5tk, 1gl
Rd 19 - 34d, 10cp, 4cl, 6si, 4tk, 1gl

2021

Rd 3 - 34d, 18cp, 11cl, 10si, 3tk, 2gl

2019

Rd 12 - 38d, 16cp, 8cl, 9si, 2tk, 4gl
Rd 19 - 39d, 24cp, 19cl, 8si, 7tk, 1gl

2018

Rd 19 - 37d, 17cp, 5cl, 6si, 11tk, 1gl

I've bolded the games in which Cripps would have been considered a 'matchwinner' - 7 games in total.

You started off so well, with the first three games great examples. But then you seemed to get a little desperate...

 

[HeathySure]

Matchwinner Cripps has played 11 full seasons and only 3 winning seasons, those records, 11-0-10 (i will be generous and not count the game he missed. 14 1 9 and in the much vaunted 48 vote Brownlow season 13-0-11, ouch

 

[HeathySure]

Can we get Nicky's list now please? 20 games of Crippa took about 10 minutes of research... Only fair that Fadge provides his list of the holy squibs heroics to compare it to

lol you don't understand the definition of a matchwinner. Thrashings dont count

 

[Fadge]

So you rejected my notion that I would have to watch the games again to see when he was a matchwinner because the games should be "obvious". Then someone provides a list of games without rewatching them and you reject that. Literally no winning with you - no point to this conversation

The best thing to do would have been to provide a legitimate list of games in which Cripps was a matchwinner.

As has been said before - there really aren't that many games to choose from in his catalogue of wins with the Carlton Football Club - it should be a straightforward exercise.

 

[carlton_99]

The best thing to do would have been to provide a legitimate list of games in which Cripps was a matchwinner.

As has been said before - there really aren't that many games to choose from in his catalogue of wins with the Carlton Football Club - it should be a straightforward exercise.

It was done and you rejected it as it was not consistent with your own belief about how many Cripps should have. Confirmation bias at its best

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I've bolded the games in which Cripps would have been considered a 'matchwinner' - 7 games in total.

You started off so well, with the first three games great examples. But then you seemed to get a little desperate...

Based on what? 10 coaches votes + 3 Brownlow votes is a pretty clear indicator of who they thought was the difference maker and you've left out a bunch of them lmao

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Anyway, where is the list of Nicky's heroics? That was the arrangement wasn't it... I give Cripps games and Fudger gives Nicky's to compare?

Lets see it

 

[Fadge]

Anyway, where is the list of Nicky's heroics? That was the arrangement wasn't it... I give Cripps games and Fudger gives Nicky's to compare?

Lets see it

So we're aware that Cripps has 7 'matchwinning' games since 2018 - the past 7 years. I even gave you the dead rubber against Brisbane in 2019.

That's not bad - it's not easy to be a matchwinner at AFL level. One per season.

I assume you stopped at 2018 on the basis there wouldn't have been any more examples prior to that?

OK - I've already given two examples of Daicos being a Matchwinner. Let me share another six examples to make the ratio 8:7 across their careers - a win to Daicos.

 

[HeathySure]

Can we get Nicky's list now please? 20 games of Crippa took about 10 minutes of research... Only fair that Fadge provides his list of the holy squibs heroics to compare

First of all the stats you are using are completely pointless because this is also an eye test thing, But just to humour you he has played 70 games in 3 seasons winning 49 games mostly really tight games, He was BOG in half those wins, and if you want to pick a game with stats i will just choose 2024 Round 10, 32 possessions including 15 contested 7 Clearances and a couple of goals. you may remember this game as the Daicos totally pantsed Walsh game and kicked the matchwinner which also had a big degree of difficulty

 

[carlton_99]

So we're aware that Cripps has 7 'matchwinning' games since 2018 - the past 7 years. I even gave you the dead rubber against Brisbane in 2019.

That's not bad - it's not easy to be a matchwinner at AFL level. One per season.

I assume you stopped at 2018 on the basis there wouldn't have been any more examples prior to that?

OK - I've already given two examples of Daicos being a Matchwinner. Let me share another six examples to make the ratio 8:7 across their careers - a win to Daicos.

Confirmation bias at its best

 

[Fadge]

Exhibit 3:

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So we're aware that Cripps has 20 'matchwinning' games since 2018 - the past 7 years. I even gave you the dead rubber against Brisbane in 2019.

That's not bad - it's not easy to be a matchwinner at AFL level. One per season.

I assume you stopped at 2018 on the basis there wouldn't have been any more examples prior to that?

OK - I've already given two examples of Daicos being a Matchwinner. Let me share another six examples to make the ratio 8:7 across their careers - a win to Daicos.

Yes that's correct.

I stopped at 2018 because I couldn't be bothered wasting any more time for such a ridiculous discussion.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Oh dear god he's basing match winning performances off fluff pieces by the media in the match reports isn't he...

 

[carlton_99]

Oh dear god he's basing match winning performances off fluff pieces by the media in the match reports isn't he...

And the most useless stat in the game in metres gained

 

[HeathySure]

Oh dear god he's basing match winning performances off fluff pieces by the media in the match reports isn't he...

you know, it didnt happen in your nightmares, it was actually real lol

 

[Fadge]

Exhibit 4:

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If we're going off fluff pieces I change my answer to 25 'matchwinning' performances by Cripps.

Can chuck in the Port game this year too when he kicked 2 clutch goals in the last quarter to turn the game

 

[Fadge]

Exhibit 5:

 

[Fadge]

Exhibit 6:

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Unless we see 20 matchwinning performances provided I'm counting this as another win to Crippa

 

[Fadge]

Exhibit 7: