Will Anna Bligh's performance during the crisis save QLD Labor?

[morgoth]

QLD ALP is stuffed. Now coming out that poor management of Wivenhoe contributed heavily to the floods in Brisbane.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...-little-too-late/story-fn7iwx3v-1225991990957

LEAKED email communications from a Wivenhoe Dam engineering officer underline concerns that the Brisbane River flood was mostly caused by massive releases from the dam after it had held on to water too long over a crucial 72 hours before the severe rainfall that hit the region last week.

The emails, which become increasingly urgent in tone as the situation became critical as the dam's levels rise rapidly, were provided to The Australian by a source who said the stream of data had convinced him the river flood of Brisbane could have been largely avoided if the dam's operators had taken action much earlier.

Just like the Vic bsuhfires, poor preparation, bad building pratices etc etc. Blighs performance will be forgotten quickly as shock turns to anger. Maybe the insurance companies can sue the Govt.

 

[John]

So if the present government is inept Morgoth then the likes of me give praise that the LNP was not in power as my 50 meter near miss would have been severe inundation.

http://www.jplangbroek.com/labor-not-interested-in-wivenhoe-‘rethink’-2/

Seeing that they have decided to remove this embarrassment from their website it said the following.

Wivenhoe Dam’s true capacity was double that being claimed by the Bligh government and better management was needed to stop further waste of taxpayers’ money and soaring water bills for southeast Queenslanders, the State Opposition told Parliament today.
LNP water spokesman Jeff Seeney said government claims that Wivenhoe was 100 per cent full and water had to be released were misleading because at ‘100 per cent capacity’ the dam was less than half full.
Mr Seeney said the water crisis was caused by the long-term Labor government’s failure to plan – delivering consumers inflated water bills and water restrictions that still applied while water was being released from Wivenhoe.
“Isn’t this release of water from Wivenhoe when it’s holding only 40 per cent of its available capacity a clear indication the Government has learnt nothing from the water crisis and is still failing to plan for the next inevitable drought,” Mr Seeney asked Minister Stephen Robertson.
Mr Seeney said the Minister wasn’t interested in telling the people of southeast Queensland that the true capacity of Wivenhoe was 2.6 million megalitres.
“The government states the dam is ‘full’ at 1.15 million megalitres, but its total capacity is 2.6 million megalitres.”
Mr Seeney said a 2005 government report showed using just 2 metres extra of Wivenhoe’s storage would add an extra 228,000 megalitres of water and provide an extra ‘no fail’ yield of 31,000 megalitres a year to SEQ’s water supply – equivalent to the total annual yield from a properly functioning Tugun desal plant.
Built in the late 1970s in response to the 1974 floods that devastated Brisbane, Wivenhoe was constructed to hold not just a large water supply, but also act as a buffer to help to manage future floods.
Mr Seeney said it was time to review management policy so more of the dam could be used for water storage to reduce chances of another water crisis.
“Obviously the dam needs to maintain the flood buffer for Brisbane. But we need to determine whether the balance that was struck in the early 1980s remains appropriate for the situation today.”

 

[noddy]

QLD ALP is stuffed. Now coming out that poor management of Wivenhoe contributed heavily to the floods in Brisbane.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...-little-too-late/story-fn7iwx3v-1225991990957



Just like the Vic bsuhfires, poor preparation, bad building pratices etc etc. Blighs performance will be forgotten quickly as shock turns to anger. Maybe the insurance companies can sue the Govt.

Is there not a judicial inquiry in place to go through everything connected to these floods ?

& you want to sprout on about a leaked e-mail

 

[Clay Davis]

QLD ALP is stuffed. Now coming out that poor management of Wivenhoe contributed heavily to the floods in Brisbane.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...-little-too-late/story-fn7iwx3v-1225991990957



Just like the Vic bsuhfires, poor preparation, bad building pratices etc etc. Blighs performance will be forgotten quickly as shock turns to anger. Maybe the insurance companies can sue the Govt.

You're a scumbag, morgoth.

 

[Coledinho]

You're a scumbag, morgoth.

Nice articulare point Clay. Care to argue the facts or ignore them as most seem to be doing.

 

[Coledinho]

Is there not a judicial inquiry in place to go through everything connected to these floods ?

& you want to sprout on about a leaked e-mail

A judicial process designed to provide one outcome im afraid. A bit like a wrestling match without the entertainment thrown in

 

[Clay Davis]

Nice articulare point Clay. Care to argue the facts or ignore them as most seem to be doing.

What facts? In what way do those emails implicate the QLD government?

The problem with Wivenhoe is that it was designed incorrectly in the first place. The operational capacity was too high.

And in rides that paranoid idiot morgoth, flinging s**t at whatever he can find.

 

[morgoth]

You're a scumbag, morgoth.

Can't handle the truth can you Clay. Can't refute the facts either. So typical of the weak left.

 

[Coledinho]

What facts? In what way do those emails implicate the QLD government.

The problem with Wivenhoe is that it was designed incorrectly in the first place.

And in rides that paranoid idiot morgoth, flinging s**t at whatever he can find.

Theres more problems with Wivenhoe than design if the current emails doing the rounds are anything to go by. Looks like it is about as well run as a chook raffle

 

[noddy]

Can't handle the truth can you Clay. Can't refute the facts either. So typical of the weak left.

Not saying your e-mail is bullshite but there have been e-mails of a political nature in the past that have been proved to be somewhat dodgy.

 

[Clay Davis]

Theres more problems with Wivenhoe than design if the current emails doing the rounds are anything to go by. Looks like it is about as well run as a chook raffle

No it doesn't, Embers.

What in the 'emails doing the rounds' say the problems with Wivenhoe are?

 

[morgoth]

What facts? In what way do those emails implicate the QLD government?

The problem with Wivenhoe is that it was designed incorrectly in the first place. The operational capacity was too high.

And in rides that paranoid idiot morgoth, flinging s**t at whatever he can find.

Oh designed incorrectly was it? So why did they hold nearly doube what it was designed to going into a major rain event. Amateur weather forums were predicting QLD to go under weeks before it happened.

Its the same as the Vic bushfires mismanagement by Govt.

The ALP has been in power in QLD for over a decade, plenty of time to fix any problems they inherited but the problem was they beleived the Global Warming lobby and thought it would never rain again, hell they even built a desal plant on this advise.

The Federal ALP blocked a new dam, Peter Garrett strikes again.

Abuse me all you like but it will not save Bligh or her ALP Govt, the facts speak for themselves. Go back in the thread, I told you it was early days and to wait for the facts. How did t work for Brumby (hint go and look at the swings in the seats where the fires were).

 

[Clay Davis]

Can't handle the truth can you Clay. Can't refute the facts either. So typical of the weak left.

What facts? There is nothing implicating the QLD govt, or showing that the SEQwater went against how the dam was to be managed.

The facts like your recession prediction thread? Maybe you'll be correct next flood.

 

[noddy]

A judicial process designed to provide one outcome im afraid. A bit like a wrestling match without the entertainment thrown in

So what you are saying is that we should all dismiss the outcome of the report unless it can lay blame on the current Queensland government.

Is this judicial inquiry not empowered along the lines of a royal commission ?

Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Coledinho]

No it doesn't, Embers.

What in the 'emails doing the rounds' say the problems with Wivenhoe are?

I suggest you read the emails a tad closer. Design is a problem but its catastraphised when no one seems keen on carrying out a plan or making a decision. A key footnote to this whole saga in general im afraid

 

[Clay Davis]

Oh designed incorrectly was it? So why did they hold nearly doube what it was designed to going into a major rain event. Amateur weather forums were predicting QLD to go under weeks before it happened.

What are you on about?

Its the same as the Vic bushfires mismanagement by Govt.

Nah.

The ALP has been in power in QLD for over a decade, plenty of time to fix any problems they inherited but the problem was they beleived the Global Warming lobby and thought it would never rain again, hell they even built a desal plant on this advise.

Probably good that they did. A desal plant will allow Wivenhoe to reduce its operational capacity, providing more for flood mitigation.

The Federal ALP blocked a new dam, Peter Garrett strikes again.

You are a disingenuous arseclown. The leaders in advocating the Traveston Crossing dam were the LNP and Barnaby Joyce.

Abuse me all you like but it will not save Bligh or her ALP Govt, the facts speak for themselves. Go back in the thread, I told you it was early days and to wait for the facts. How did t work for Brumby (hint go and look at the swings in the seats where the fires were).

I'll abuse you because you're partisan sook, who whinges and moans everytime the Liberal party loses, and makes grandiose chicken little statements as a result.

How do you exist? You're pathetic.

 

[Clay Davis]

I suggest you read the emails a tad closer.

I did. Please point out where they went wrong.

Design is a problem but its catastraphised when no one seems keen on carrying out a plan or making a decision. A key footnote to this whole saga in general im afraid

What?

 

[morgoth]

Some more facts for you Clay:

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...m-levels-to-drop/story-fn7ik2te-1225991445546

Oh so the legislation was to blame, who controls that Clay?

Retired flood forecaster Geoff Heatherwick said that the dam operators, Seqwater, could not have increased the capacity reserved for flood mitigation without a change of legislation.

"No one in that operating group could have made the sorts of changes that some of these people coming out of the woodwork are suggesting," he said.

Oh and who was responsible for this? Oh the ALP (again). So the introduced the legisaltion and then did not repeal it when they caved into public pressure.

The 60:40 flood mitigation to water supply ratio was set when there were plans to build the Wolffdene dam as an alternative source but this was scrapped by the Goss government after public pressure.

Please respond Clay, I am really interested to see how you can blame the coalition for shitty ALP policy and back downs.

 

[Coledinho]

So what you are saying is that we should all dismiss the outcome of the report unless it can lay blame on the current Queensland government.

Is this judicial inquiry not empowered along the lines of a royal commission ?

Correct me if i'm wrong.

The chances of blame being layed on the government is absolutely zero though. Id say on the scale we will have

998. That bum who lives across the road from Wivenhoe dam
999. Those 3 cane toads in a field in Ipswich
1000. Queensland government

 

[Coledinho]

I did. Please point out where they went wrong.



What?

What morgoth said pretty much in his last post. You have completely ignored that part of the argument altogether

 

[morgoth]

What are you on about?



Nah.



Probably good that they did. A desal plant will allow Wivenhoe to reduce its operational capacity, providing more for flood mitigation.



How do you exist? You're pathetic.

One problem with your theory. They did not use the desal plant and they allowed the dam to reach 180% of capacity going into a major rain event. So what is your point, the could have, would have, should have?

 

[ralphmalph]

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Wasn't putting "blame" on Bracks/Brumby, just made obvious point that it was the policy that developed on their watch meant govt was seen to have responsibility. And that commnonsense had gone out the window at all levels.

http://www.royalcommission.vic.gov....rs/Victoria-s-Bushfire-Safety-Policy#_ftnref2
"The policy that applied in Victoria on 7 February reflected a national approach implemented by all Australian fire agencies"

And there's plenty more in there that describes the policy in greater detail, its shortcomings and how it can be improved - particularly the communication.

Not sure talking about "commonsense" helps anything when the policy was developed in light of about 40 years of research of different fires.

And Pazza - yeah, some of the report's recommendations are debatable but dismissing the entire thing as a witch hunt is wrong. It is a very useful document. You don't want to end up like those posters who will claim that anything published by News Ltd, Fairfax or Crikey (depending on your political leanings) is inherently biased and incorrect, rather than address the specifics of the article.

 

[Clay Davis]

Some more facts for you Clay:

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...m-levels-to-drop/story-fn7ik2te-1225991445546

Oh so the legislation was to blame, who controls that Clay?



Oh and who was responsible for this? Oh the ALP (again). So the introduced the legisaltion and then did not repeal it when they caved into public pressure.



Please respond Clay, I am really interested to see how you can blame the coalition for shitty ALP policy and back downs.

You're thrashing around like a mental patient. I was right to begin with, your modus operandi is to fling s**t about and hope it sticks.

The guy who makes the basis of that story says:

Prof Dragun said the water capacity diverted for flood mitigation could have been easily replaced by the multibillion-dollar desalination and recycling plants that now sit idle.

morgoth, the infinitely unintelligent nitwit says:

The ALP has been in power in QLD for over a decade, plenty of time to fix any problems they inherited but the problem was they beleived the Global Warming lobby and thought it would never rain again, hell they even built a desal plant on this advise.

Big conflict there. How do you resolve posting things that disagree with you just to make your partisan hack point?

Yes, Goss canned a dam. They were elected on that platform. A dam not built over 20 years ago by a government that no longer exists is now is responsible for the flooding now. But how does that implicate Bligh?

 

[Clay Davis]

One problem with your theory. They did not use the desal plant and they allowed the dam to reach 180% of capacity going into a major rain event. So what is your point, the could have, would have, should have?

They probably should have, but instead they listened to 'climate change is not happening' fools like you.

But then, none of this has to do with the flooding of Brisbane River. You are trying to implicate the dams supposed mismanagement being the fault of Bligh. Remember, the dam was meant to stop floods like this. On its own. It didn't.

 

[Clay Davis]

What morgoth said pretty much in his last post. You have completely ignored that part of the argument altogether

What argument? You have not answered my question. I know you're a mental midget, but please try.