Will We be Expecting Less Goals From Jack?

[SleepingGiant]

All this latest news points to him playing up the ground more. If he does he wont kick near as much goals and it will generate pressure from the media I reckon. What does everyone think? It's like I idolise him as this massive future goal kicker and dont want him to fail at achieving that.

 

[Bird Man]

totally agree .. if he can kick them why stop them?

 

[Grockadoc]

Wholeheartedly Agree. Keep Jack in the goalsquare and get Post to push up the ground.

 

[El Tigre]

If Jack pushes up the ground, he won't be double teamed. And on a one-on-one, he is simply going to beat pretty everyone at the moment.
I'd say that he'll be pushing up the ground to lose his 2nd opponent, and cutting back to the free space area (that needs to be created by other Tiges) Lets hope that his hammys are up to it.

 

[CeltDave]

If we can get a more even spread of goal kickers and 4-5 half forwards / mids in the 20-30 goal catagory, I would be more than happy for Jack to kick his 50-60 a year.

The game continues to evolve with the Collingwood's, St Kilda's & Geelong's teaching the competition that having a more even spread of goal kickers seems to be the way to go these days as opposed to the prolific FF.

On saying this, geez wouldn't it be nice to see another number 8 kick 100 goals in a season.

cheers,

 

[rfctigerarmy]

I don't think Jack will be as dominant as last season. I think that other clubs will work harder on stopping him because we were a bit of a one man band.

Hopefully we get a better spread anyway. Especially from midfielders kicking a goal a game.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

I hate it when a full forward goes forward. Good examples of the last few years:

• Matthew Lloyd
• Matthew Richardson
• Lance Franklin
• Jonathan Brown
• Brendan Fevola
• Matthew Pavilach

I don't mind if Jack runs up to create a play and can get back down. Don't forget, if Reiwoldt runs up, and then Miller kicks 3 quick ones, they can swap them and then Reiwoldt can kick 3 Or, so I hope

 

[telsor]

I don't think Jack will be as dominant as last season. I think that other clubs will work harder on stopping him because we were a bit of a one man band.

This...They couldn't have him do the same thing, because he'd get sorted out...Change, and the opposition will remain a step behind.

Playing him up the ground more will also allow us to develop more alternatives.

 

[kainokaino]

He played up the ground against St.Kilda the second time we versed them last year and tore them to shreads. All the gun forwards can push up the ground; Brown, Franklin, N.Riewoldt, Pavlich...

 

[tigerfansince86]

The answer to the OP is yes, definately be expecting less goals from Jack as we expect more from the other guys like Griff, Post, Vickery, HFF' and our midfielders it's unfair to expect him to kick all the goals as much as he'd love to. We definately need to find more goals from elsewhere.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Kelvin Templeton won the Coleman in 1979 (or he would have if it existed). The next year he moved to CHF and won the Brownlow. It's not about how many goals Jack kicks, it's how many Richmond kicks.

 

[SA TIGER]

If we can get a more even spread of goal kickers and 4-5 half forwards / mids in the 20-30 goal catagory, I would be more than happy for Jack to kick his 50-60 a year.


cheers,

An even spread of goalkickers would be the ideal scenario. As for Jack playing up the ground, I don't picture it being too detrimental if last season was any indication. He's a great kick, even from outside 50. In saying that, players such as Post and Vickery who have been in the system 2-3 seasons need to step up to average at least one goal per game in 2011.

 

[_RT_]

Hopefully we do, because eventually I'd much rather see our top 10 reading as:
65, 45, 35, 30, 25, 20, 17, 15, 12 & 10 rather than how it read this year: 78, 15, 14, 13, 12, 12, 11, 11, 7 & 7.

 

[SA TIGER]

Hopefully we do, because eventually I'd much rather see our top 10 reading as:
65, 45, 35, 30, 25, 20, 17, 15, 12 & 10 rather than how it read this year: 78, 15, 14, 13, 12, 12, 11, 11, 7 & 7.

Spot on RT! Finals abound if we can emulate your predictions above. I'm guessing that from No 2 (45 goals) to No 6 (20 goals) would probably equate to 3 forwards and 2 midfielders stepping up to the plate!

 

[El Tigre]

The Pies only had 2 players who kicked 30 plus goals in the 2010 h&a season. I don't think we are or should be trying to emulate them, but i'd like to see a bit more of a spread.

 

[_RT_]

The Pies only had 2 players who kicked 30 plus goals in the 2010 h&a season. I don't think we are or should be trying to emulate them, but i'd like to see a bit more of a spread.

The Pies had 13 players kick 15+ goals for the season. Geelong had 9 with 6 of them scoring 30+. If we can get somewhat of a mixture of the 2 we'll be well on our way.

For this year I'd be happy with 4 players kicking at least 20 goals each.

 

[El Tigre]

The Pies had 13 players kick 15+ goals for the season. Geelong had 9 with 6 of them scoring 30+. If we can get somewhat of a mixture of the 2 we'll be well on our way.

For this year I'd be happy with 4 players kicking at least 20 goals each.

I think those stats include the finals, where-as the figures i think we should talk about are h&a. But thats a bit semantic. I agree with your theory.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Whatever is best for the team, that's where Jack should play. I know it's stating the bleeding obvious but it's the truth.

 

[Spluff]

He'll probably kick about 60+. He'll certainly kick more if he gets on his bike than he will if he stays in the goalsquare like he did for the latter parts of the season. The goalsquare FF just isn't practical unless your teammates are good enough to draw all the extra defenders away from you - which Jack's aren't. Zoning and extra defenders will chop off 9/10 shots to the goalsquare if you just sit there all day.

There was a reason his only good late game (and IMO his best game of the season) was vs. the Saints, and it was because he got moving and played up the ground. It allowed him to lose his opponents and get a bit of space (as well as get a lot of score assists). If he gets lazy and just sits in the goalsquare he'll get 3 people playing on him and scragging him out of the contest and he won't get near it.

 

[MightyTiger]

He'll probably kick about 60+. He'll certainly kick more if he gets on his bike than he will if he stays in the goalsquare like he did for the latter parts of the season. The goalsquare FF just isn't practical unless your teammates are good enough to draw all the extra defenders away from you - which Jack's aren't. Zoning and extra defenders will chop off 9/10 shots to the goalsquare if you just sit there all day.

There was a reason his only good late game (and IMO his best game of the season) was vs. the Saints, and it was because he got moving and played up the ground. It allowed him to lose his opponents and get a bit of space (as well as get a lot of score assists). If he gets lazy and just sits in the goalsquare he'll get 3 people playing on him and scragging him out of the contest and he won't get near it.

Was the best game I had seen him play also, played further up the ground and lost Fisher on the way back to the goal square, done this maybe 2 or 3 times that game, then he does the exact opposite against Port the second time round and he sat in the goal square the whole day and had no chance of competing in the air because he was double and triple teamed all day.

 

[Barnzy]

I don't mind if Jack runs up to create a play and can get back down. Don't forget, if Reiwoldt runs up, and then Miller kicks 3 quick ones, they can swap them and then Reiwoldt can kick 3 Or, so I hope

lol...

 

[captain blood 17]

For those of us old enough to remember, could there be a touch of Pagan's paddock coming? We need a far greater spread to be more competative, no doubt about it, but with Jacks pace and spring, if he gets goalside, ala a Brown or Carey, i reckon a few defenders may just be shitting themselves with him running at them. As a side note, Henderson injured himself. Looks like he's out for possibly two months. Bad luck for the kid, a round two return would be good for us and the blues!!

 

[TJTIGER]

The answer to the OP is yes, definately be expecting less goals from Jack as we expect more from the other guys like Griff, Post, Vickery, HFF' and our midfielders it's unfair to expect him to kick all the goals as much as he'd love to. We definately need to find more goals from elsewhere.

Agree! I would think the RFC is trying to avoid an over dependence on just one player. I guess this needs to be nipped in the bud and if it means that maybe we reduce Jack's goals and possibly our overall wins to promote a multi attack. Then maybe the club is prepared to ware the short term pain?? But I'm just thinking on the forum. In Dimma we trust & his coaching team.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Buddy kicked close to a tonne for the Hawks and then played more up the ground as he had built up his tank and to minimize the two on one scenario . Funny enough Hardwick was at the Hawks at the same time , it ain't that hard to work out ?

 

[delediofan3]

He will be kicking less goals than last year because he will be double or even triple teamed, which made Franklin's year after he won the Coleman a not so good year for him. There will be media pressure but I am expecting no more than 50 goals even if it is 30 or 20 I don't mind because Richmond is a team not a one-man show. Don't hate on him if he isn't like he was last year, please that makes him worse plus he is only about 23 or 22. If he does manage to kick another big bag of 70+ I'd say we have a hero up forward. As well as that I'd like our goals to be spread evenly and the only thing I want this year is to see us in finals and for our players to get the best out of themselves.