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Winderlich v Simpson

The better player is?

  • Kade Simpson

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  • Jason Winderlich

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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jonoman89 said:
You're both nuffies.

Both are very good outside line breaking midfielders. I'd give the edge to Winders though because he is more consistent. Kade has one great game then about three quiet ones.

Winders seems to consistently rack up 20 touches and a goal, when he's on the park that is.
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C grade is a bit harsh. B graders is more like it. cant see either becoming elite- just solid important to their respective teams.

I f i had to choose id pick simpson-seems to create something out of nothing a bit more than winders. Though winders is a good linebreaker with above average disposal.
 
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Halfway through the season and my perception on both players has changed slightly.

Winders not having a great season so far but was very good on Friday night. Needs to improve in the second half of the year and get back to last years form if he wants to be classed as an A grader. Has all the attributes required.

Simpson has been fantastic for the majority of the season. Has added gut running to a long list of attributed which sees him get to more contests than in prebious seasons.

Being biast I would still take Winders as he has the X factor that Essendon need over the more workman like Simpson who is much similar to Brent Stanton.

Thoughts?
 

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Simpson's played well against Essendon (hence losses) the last few years. There've been bigger name players play much worse. A bit like Stanton, he's not ever going to be that guy smashing through the middle dominating games but doesn't stop him from being a pretty effective player.
 
Slattery_20 said:
Simpson's played well against Essendon (hence losses) the last few years. There've been bigger name players play much worse. A bit like Stanton, he's not ever going to be that guy smashing through the middle dominating games but doesn't stop him from being a pretty effective player.
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Very well put. This is exactly my thinking. :thumbsu:
 
The fact these two are considered so close shows how far Essendon's midfield needs to develop. Winders would probably be our third most important mid (behind Stanton and Watson) while Simpson would have Judd, Murphy and Gibbs (when playing in the middle) above him. Essendon need that extra top-grade mid to leapfrog the Blues.
 
bombermick said:
The fact these two are considered so close shows how far Essendon's midfield needs to develop. Winders would probably be our third most important mid (behind Stanton and Watson) while Simpson would have Judd, Murphy and Gibbs (when playing in the middle) above him. Essendon need that extra top-grade mid to leapfrog the Blues.
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Why would we be worried about the Blues, of all teams?

I think we need to push Stanton down the order a bit. He gets found out about a third of games he plays. That's why we need (particularly) Prismall and Winderlich (and also the younger guys like Zaha/Melk) to step up more often because they've all got a bit more damage to their possessions than Stanton.
Too often Stanton's the only bugger left with any legs.
 
My opinion is Simpson delivers more regularly than Winderlich but Winderlich's best is better than Simpson's. Winderlich's the kind of player that you go "if only he could do that a bit more regularly he could be........." I rate them reasonably similiar but i'll probably go with Winderlich just because of Essendon bias. I still think that Winderlich could become a genuine A grade mid, if he can get that consistency into his game, because he has all the attributes one needs to be a genuine match winner but i'm not really convinced he will ever get there.
 
blitzer said:
My opinion is Simpson delivers more regularly than Winderlich but Winderlich's best is better than Simpson's. Winderlich's the kind of player that you go "if only he could do that a bit more regularly he could be........." I rate them reasonably similiar but i'll probably go with Winderlich just because of Essendon bias. I still think that Winderlich could become a genuine A grade mid, if he can get that consistency into his game, because he has all the attributes one needs to be a genuine match winner but i'm not really convinced he will ever get there.
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Agreed, I think a better comparison would be Stanton Vs Simpson. Both players finishing seems to hold them back from being rated higher than they are. Winderlich when he's on song is a gun he just seems to lack consistency.
 
This season has, Winderlich has proven that he is head and shoulders above Simpson so far this season. Winderlich is now the second most important midfielder in the Essendon side behind Watson and is a major ball winner for the Dons
 

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symmos said:
This season has, Winderlich has proven that he is head and shoulders above Simpson so far this season. Winderlich is now the second most important midfielder in the Essendon side behind Watson and is a major ball winner for the Dons
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Simpson is having a far better season than Winderlich.
 
symmos said:
This season has, Winderlich has proven that he is head and shoulders above Simpson so far this season. Winderlich is now the second most important midfielder in the Essendon side behind Watson and is a major ball winner for the Dons
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LOL what? Winders has had a pretty poor season this year after a great 2009. He already had 2 BOG this stage last year. I seriously doubt he would have one vote this season.

Simpson having a fairly decent season this year. I would still take Winderlich as he has the X factor that Essendon lack but Simpson is proving he is a very handy player.
 
blues4flag said:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...pid1=446&tid2=6&pid2=507&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Simpson ahead in just about every category statistically.
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For years bomber fans have waited for an injury-free year for Winderlich to demonstrate his value. Now he has. Simpson has demonstrated he has a durable physique year in year out. In addition to the footywire stats it is interesting to note that Simpson leads in goals (10 to 1), in goal assists (10 to 6). It is fair to note that he does not lead in clangers. Winderlich has had 36 clangers to 32 despite Simpson's greater number of disposals, and significantly greater number of kicks.
 
All this talk about disposals....

Disposals are meaningless. Swan had 48 odd possesions last year and had almost no influence on the game.

Going by possesions, Winderlich's possesions are far more valuable than Simpsons' as he runs and carries with pace rather than the more one paced Simpson (similar to Stanton).

I would take a 20 possesion Winderlich game over a 25 possesion Simpson game as Winderlich's best is simply more damaging than Simpson's best.
 

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stantonLEGEND said:
All this talk about disposals....

Disposals are meaningless. Swan had 48 odd possesions last year and had almost no influence on the game.

Going by possesions, Winderlich's possesions are far more valuable than Simpsons' as he runs and carries with pace rather than the more one paced Simpson (similar to Stanton).

I would take a 20 possesion Winderlich game over a 25 possesion Simpson game as Winderlich's best is simply more damaging than Simpson's best.
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Kade Simpson is very direct with his disposal (hence a high kick to handball ratio) and often runs with the footy, particularly forward of centre. Not as much as Winderlich granted but he's a far more rounded player who scarcely plays a bad game.

9 more goals and 4 more GAs suggest that Kade is damaging with the football, too. He's not the vanilla midfielder that you wish to paint him and that he's best he plays with more passion and heart than just about every other player on list. Watch the last quarter of the Port game to see him will us across the line.

Very underrated player who I'd have top 3 in our B&F at present.

Also, 9 more goals and 4 more goal assists
 
stantonLEGEND said:
All this talk about disposals....

Disposals are meaningless. Swan had 48 odd possesions last year and had almost no influence on the game.

Going by possesions, Winderlich's possesions are far more valuable than Simpsons' as he runs and carries with pace rather than the more one paced Simpson (similar to Stanton).

I would take a 20 possesion Winderlich game over a 25 possesion Simpson game as Winderlich's best is simply more damaging than Simpson's best.
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I cannot agree that "disposals are meaningless". A player who had no disposals would need to be an exceptional tagger/tackler to advance an argument that they"had more influence" than a 48 possession player. Of course they are not the be-all and end-all, which is why I referred to clangers, goals and goal assists. I would be surprised if Winderlich had as many bounces per game as Simpson but you may be right that he runs and carries more than Simpson. Curiously such a view of Winderlich's game is not supported by his kick to handball ratio - .77 kicks per handball, compared with Simpson's 1.6 kicks per handball.

Oh, and in terms of damaging, how come Winderlich has only kicked one goal for the season and only 6 goal assists if his run and carry is so damaging. Simpson has had twice the scoring shots. And how come Winderlich has more clangers than Simpson when he he has significantly fewer possessions. Is it just that he can't hit a handball target or are these statistics also meaningless when opposed to your anecdotal certitude.
 
Winders has been quite average this season other than the hawks game, Simpson has been consistantly good this season (and his whole career I suppose). Simpson atm.
 
In what has been a poor year for Winders and a career best year for Simpson, Winders isn't too far behind him. Nuff said.
 

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