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[edgie]

It's basically rigging the system to ensure the best team all year actually plays off in the GF.

They do, the system works. Sometimes a team falls in to 1st or 2nd but they're always found out come finals, ala Freo 2015, Crows 2012, Geelong 2014.

Exception; Port 01 - 03.

 

[Andre]

They do, the system works. Sometimes a team falls in to 1st or 2nd but they're always found out come finals, ala Freo 2015, Crows 2012, Geelong 2014.

Exception; Port 01 - 03.

Yep, since they changed it from the system Adelaide Bradburyed to flags with, it's worked well. Miss top 4 and short of a miracle you aren't making the GF, let alone winning it.

 

[MutleyDog]

Quote about Gillon regarding Watson's Brownlow

"so should it come to a decision having to be made on the medal, he has decided to excuse himself from any process."

Is it just me? This guy likes to delegate any tough decisions. Seriously weak as piss IMO

 

[Needs Gravy]

Quote about Gillon regarding watson's Brownlow

"so should it come to a decision having to be made on the medal, he has decided to excuse himself from any process."

Is it just me? This guy likes to delegate any tough decisions. Seriously weak as piss IMO

I'm sure he will ask the top ten ranked players in the Brownlow what their thoughts on the matter are.

 

[Steve Dore]

How would a bracode help you get into the footy?

http://www.weareportadelaide.com.au/ticket-transfer/

Bra Code not barcode

 

[It Just Is]

How is it even a tough decision?

Watson was found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs the year he won it. Doesn't get much more clear cut than that.

 

[Steve Dore]

How is it even a tough decision?

Watson was found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs the year he won it. Doesn't get much more clear cut than that.

This is what I don't understdand. It is an award for best and fairest, cheating = unfair.

 

[Adz2332]

Bra Code not barcode

haha geeez only just got it and saw the typo

 

[OneGreatClub]

Bra Code not barcode

oops

 

[Jonts]

I'm yet to hear a just argument about why he should keep his Brownlow

 

[JayPea14]

according to the afl we have a new recruit....

 

[bomberclifford]

How is it even a tough decision?

Watson was found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs the year he won it. Doesn't get much more clear cut than that.

Yes, but he was playing for Essendon, who are apparently one of the 'Big4', he is Victorian and his dad is one of the game's "Hall of Fame'ers".

There's also that pesky little inconvenient truth of the AFL themselves being implicated in the Bombers' amateur attempts at covering up once the cat was out of the bag.

These reasons—along with probably a dozen more that we don't know about—are why he'll keep his medal and we shall never speak of it again.
(Notice how the media are surprisingly quiet on this)

It's disgraceful and shows the level of corruption involved in this league.

"Players banned? No probs, here have some top up players. Except you, you're not powerful enough."

 

[Forzaport]

Barrett has just given North and Geelong the kiss of death.

 

[Rising Power]

according to the afl we have a new recruit....


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And Matt White has been terrible for the last 5 weeks. Should be dropped.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

How is it even a tough decision?

Watson was found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs the year he won it. Doesn't get much more clear cut than that.

"Hey Jobe drop the medal in when you're passing."Job done.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The use of the term wildcard by the AFL is rubbish.

You have it in Tennis especially grand slams because no one plays the other 127 competitors in the draw. A wildcard is for ex champions or qualifiers. In footy terms that would be players from WCE's 2006 flag side. So a wildcard would mean snorting Benny gets to play finals, or qualifiers like East Perth or Sturt or North Ballarat.

A wildcard in the US sports is used because you have conferences and dont play everyone eg in NFL you dont play everyone in your conference let alone the whole NFL, when you have a 16 game season, 32 teams in the league, and in your division you have 4 teams ie 3 opponents you play at home and away leaving 10 games to play the other 12 teams in your conference plus 16 teams in the other conference as there are cross over conference games.

In baseball there used to be 2 divisions in both the national and american leagues and those 2 division champions played each other to find the winner of the league and that winner progressed to the world series. Then they expanded and had 3 divisions in each league so they needed to find the best 2nd placed team across 3 divisions to play semi finals so they called that team a wild card team.

In the NHL post the 1967 expansion and pre the mids 1990's expansion they had 21 teams and 2 conferences. You played 80 games and the top 8 teams in both conferences ie 16 of 21 went to the finals. Then when the mid 90s expansion happened to 30 teams, with new unequal divisions introduced to the conferences, they had to find a way to continue getting 16 teams into the finals in an unbalanced draw and unequal divisions so they copied the NFL wildcard idea.

NBA similar story to the NHL, 82 minor round games, expansion causes new unequal conferences and divisions so they need a system to get 16 teams to finals stage, be there 20, 24, 28 or 30 teams in the NBA over the last 30 years.

So the AFL using the phrase wildcard is BS. Its just 2 extra games for TV and giving 2 s**t teams a bit of hope and turning a few meaningless games during rounds 19 to 23 into a bit more meaning.

Maybe we should copy what the NHL did and have a season and then get 16 of the 18 teams to qualify so we can have proper round of 16, quarter finals, semi finals and GF just like the true wild card originator - Tennis and eliminate double chances and double prelim finals.

 

[TeeKray]

I like the idea of expanding the finals series. The whole objective of a finals system should be to generate as much excitement and interest for as many teams as possible for as long as possible. Having 10/18 teams missing the finals means half a dozen teams have no realistic hope from very early in the season and by mid season you have a couple of games each week that have no bearing on anything.

This idea that teams finishing 9th and 10th 'don't deserve' to play finals yet those finishing 7th and 8th somehow do is totally misguided. Have 7th play 10th and 8th play 9th in the week we now have between R23 and the first week of finals. Last year that would have meant Adelaide v Geelong and North Melbourne v Port Adelaide. What would have been wrong with that? Who is gong to argue that Adelaide and North 'deserved' finals but Port and Geelong didn't, especially given how rigged and lopsided the fixture is?

 

[philreich]

I'm yet to hear a just argument about why he should keep his Brownlow

Because like Luke Hodge, he's a good bloke?

 

[snozulu]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-...ctorian-players-says-giants-ceo-dave-matthews

I see what he is Saying but i think he is missing the bigger picture of the fact that they have first dibs to a lot of kids that IMO they shouldn't.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Noticed in the NBA that they release a referee report after every game where they analyse every play and determine whether it is the correct or incorrect call. In a recent playoff game they listed 5 incorrect calls in the final 13.2 seconds. http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rrect-Non-Calls-From-Final-Thunder-Spurs-Play

Anyone think the AFL should do the same/something similar with umpires?

 

[manureid]

Noticed in the NBA that they release a referee report after every game where they analyse every play and determine whether it is the correct or incorrect call. In a recent playoff game they listed 5 incorrect calls in the final 13.2 seconds. http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rrect-Non-Calls-From-Final-Thunder-Spurs-Play

Anyone think the AFL should do the same/something similar with umpires?

Would take too long to compile each week.

 

[simba_]

we get the umps at the end of the year basically saying "yeah we made 6-12 big errors this year that probably cost games lol, human error will always be a factor", they can always fall back on the heat of the moment/human error lines. what do fans get out of a ref report that confirms what they saw, ie. some serious s**t in the last 13 seconds of the game. people will probably just get madder if it's officially confirmed they got owned but the result stays the same.

 

[Andre]

I like the idea of expanding the finals series. The whole objective of a finals system should be to generate as much excitement and interest for as many teams as possible for as long as possible. Having 10/18 teams missing the finals means half a dozen teams have no realistic hope from very early in the season and by mid season you have a couple of games each week that have no bearing on anything.

This idea that teams finishing 9th and 10th 'don't deserve' to play finals yet those finishing 7th and 8th somehow do is totally misguided. Have 7th play 10th and 8th play 9th in the week we now have between R23 and the first week of finals. Last year that would have meant Adelaide v Geelong and North Melbourne v Port Adelaide. What would have been wrong with that? Who is gong to argue that Adelaide and North 'deserved' finals but Port and Geelong didn't, especially given how rigged and lopsided the fixture is?

Nah. Giving 7 v 10 and 8 v 9 to fix the fixture is not justification. What if team 11 copped teams 1-5 twice and team 10 got lucky and had teams 14-18 as their double ups and finished 0.1% behind team 10? Swap draws and they'd be likely swapped.

Fixing the fixture is a different issue (a big way there would be expand to 23 games and every team gets 2 double ups from the top 6, middle 6 and bottom 6 and no more than two previous year top 6 teams in a row).

Finals should be the showcase of the season, the best teams showing how good the competition is. Teams 7 and 8 have always made up the numbers and more years then not show why they shouldn't be there. Adding teams 9 and 10 just makes it worse. If we had the option to retrospectively have 7x10 and 8x9 last year I'd still be against it. We weren't good enough.

I'd be happy for a 7 v 10 and 8 v 9 during the break between the last round and finals where the winners get the better draft picks, before a 6 team finals. 6 teams, a third of the league, would be a better showpiece. And having those draft games still lets them milk the TV rights / audience.

 

[Andre]

we get the umps at the end of the year basically saying "yeah we made 6-12 big errors this year that probably cost games lol, human error will always be a factor", they can always fall back on the heat of the moment/human error lines. what do fans get out of a ref report that confirms what they saw, ie. some serious s**t in the last 13 seconds of the game. people will probably just get madder if it's officially confirmed they got owned but the result stays the same.

It's not really useful for individual games / decisions. The AFL having a breakdown of umpires incorrect and missed calls for the full season and broken down by teams / venues, would be useful. Umpires that consistently award to the home team, particular teams etc. over multiple seasons or whose error rates are a shitload higher to be relegated for at least a season.

 

[Portmanteau]

The outcome of such a process IMO would actually find that umpires make far fewer bad decisions than partisan fans actually believe. Mouthbreathers' worst nightmare.