He lost, Greens have won the seat instead.
Final LC tally:
| Labor | 15 |
| Libs/Nats | 14 |
| Greens | 4 |
| Legalise Cannabis | 2 |
| Animal Justice | 1 |
| Labour DLP | 1 |
| Liberal Democrats | 1 |
| One Nation | 1 |
| Shooters Fishers Farmers | 1 |
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22 leftish seats to 18 should mean Labor is able to pass legislation as long as there's no other Somyureks in their ranks. And on that, I'm hoping the one positive out of him getting back in is that it annoys Andrews enough that the government finally changes the voting process for the upper house.
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Victoria's new upper house crossbench
The Victorian parliament’s new upper house crossbench will be dominated by progressive parties but also include One Nation’s first MP in the state.
One Nation’s Rikkie-Lee Tyrrell has become the party’s first MP in the Victorian parliament. The Greens will be represented by four MPs in the 11-person crossbench, while Legalise Cannabis will have two MPs. The Liberal Democrats, Animal Justice, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers, the Democratic Labour Party and One Nation will all have one MP in the upper house.
To pass legislation in the legislative council, 21 out of the 40 votes in the chamber are required. Labor now holds 15 seats in the upper house - three less than in the past parliament.
This means, if the Coalition does not support legislation, the Andrews government will need to win over six members of the crossbench.
The Victorian parliament’s new upper house crossbench will be dominated by progressive parties but also include One Nation’s first MP in the state.
One Nation’s Rikkie-Lee Tyrrell has become the party’s first MP in the Victorian parliament. The Greens will be represented by four MPs in the 11-person crossbench, while Legalise Cannabis will have two MPs. The Liberal Democrats, Animal Justice, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers, the Democratic Labour Party and One Nation will all have one MP in the upper house.
To pass legislation in the legislative council, 21 out of the 40 votes in the chamber are required. Labor now holds 15 seats in the upper house - three less than in the past parliament.
This means, if the Coalition does not support legislation, the Andrews government will need to win over six members of the crossbench.
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So 4 Greens and 2 LC gets them over.
Legalise it Dan and you should have smooth sailing
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So 4 Greens and 2 LC gets them over.
Legalise it Dan and you should have smooth sailing
What would legalisation mean though? Would it be regulated and to what extent?
The thing is that most of their progressive agenda has been passed in the last 8 years.
I'm worried they end up placating the Greens by doing something silly and over-the-top with regard to animal welfare (bans on greyhound racing etc).
If I were the SFF/LD/ON, I would be in the Govt's ear to stop them going to AJ or too far into the Greens camp. Unless, I guess they make the calculated decision that if the Govt passes more legislation that their voters hate they will win more seats next time, even if they're nowhere near their state goals.
I'm guessing the latter will happen.
I'm worried they end up placating the Greens by doing something silly and over-the-top with regard to animal welfare (bans on greyhound racing etc).
If I were the SFF/LD/ON, I would be in the Govt's ear to stop them going to AJ or too far into the Greens camp. Unless, I guess they make the calculated decision that if the Govt passes more legislation that their voters hate they will win more seats next time, even if they're nowhere near their state goals.
I'm guessing the latter will happen.
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NSW tried banning greyhounds. It went badly
I reckon they'll first decriminalise it, with the messaging around not wanting to waste the courts time on personal possession etc.
Then they'll a year or so later go with a medical driven inquiry into legalising it, while taking the public's mood on if to legalise it or not.
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Don't know. They may push for decriminalisation and ability to grow - I would hope they legalise completely and have it available retail like most places that have legalised in the US and elsewhere.
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Banning greyhound racing wouldn't be silly or over the top. Especially with the treatment of some of those animals.
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But that would mean regulation right? So what does that mean. Genuinely interested in this. I don’t use it, not against it just want to understand what it would mean to legalise it. Amsterdam model seems pretty messy.
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That’s the first thing that springs to mind. But what about where you can purchase it, consume it, grow it etc.
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I guess it would mean making it legal to produce for commercial purposes (like breweries/distilleries for alcohol) and making it legal to sell retail (as plants or edibles) in "coffee" shops or other retail outlets. Any producer/retailer would require a licence. And taxed each step of the way (like alcohol/tobacco).
Would mean the potency could be made available to so you know the strength of what you're consuming.
Here's some examples of how it could work in practice
California's cannabis laws
Learn about how laws, regulations and ordinances work together to set rules for businesses and consumers.
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Legal marijuana use in Colorado | Colorado Cannabis
In November 2012, Colorado legalized marijuana for adults over age 21 by passing Amendment 64 to the Colorado Constitution.
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sad 2 c fiona go. a sensible, thoroughly decent person and skilled negotiator. and in her place a nasty, self-serving, low life.
Declarations
- Eastern Victoria - 2 Labor, 1 Liberal, 1 National, 1 SFF. No change on 2018 party composition.
- North-Eastern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Green. Green gain at the expense of the Transport Matters Party.
- Northern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 1 Liberal, 1 Green, 1 DLP. DLP gain from Fiona Patten's Reason Party.
- Northern Victoria - 1 Labor, Liberal, 1 National, 1 One Nation, 1 Animal Justice. The Nationals, One Nation and Animal Justice gain seats. Labor, the Liberal Democrats and Derryn Hinch's Justice Party lose seats.
- South-Eastern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 1 Liberal, 1 Liberal Democrat, 1 Legalise Cannabis. Labor loses a seat to Legalise Canabis.
- Southern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Greens. Green gain at the expense of Sustainable Australia.
- Western Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Legalise Cannabis. Labor lose one seat and Derryn Hinch's Justice Party turned Independent turned Angry Victorian Catherine Cumming defeated. Legalise Cannabis and Liberals gain a seat.
- Western Victoria - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Green. Liberals and Greens gain seats at the expense of Animal Justice and Derryn Hinch's Justice Party.
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- Kidding, right?
In a sane world where only facts and reality matter, you'd think so. Some disgusting practises in that sport. But various opponents of Labor in NSW totally weaponised the attempt to ban greyhound racing and the government backed down very quickly.
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Is this a poor attempt at humour or for real?
Either way might be good to reconsider your life choices about now
Worth reading the 28 part twitter thread by Adem Somyurek.
Whether you like him or not, it appears he ran a smart campaign. Claims he got 7.33% primary vote across the 4 electorates he targeted- Broadmeadows, Greenvale, Thomastown and Kalkallo.
Those were areas the ALP's vote dropped considerably. Areas with lower than average income, high rates of ethnic minorities and full of people impacted by government overreach during covid.
Whether you like him or not, it appears he ran a smart campaign. Claims he got 7.33% primary vote across the 4 electorates he targeted- Broadmeadows, Greenvale, Thomastown and Kalkallo.
Those were areas the ALP's vote dropped considerably. Areas with lower than average income, high rates of ethnic minorities and full of people impacted by government overreach during covid.
Liberal-National Government in NSW implemented and retracted the greyhound racing ban.
Gamblers just have stronger opinions than everyday people
They are over confident types who believe in their views strongly enough to part with their hard-earned cash in a game that's rigged against them.
Perhaps gamblers have more epistemic blind spots than the average joe on the street, but in terms of making predictions about who will win, you wouldn't assume those specific epistemic blind spots would lend themselves to gamblers favoring one party over another
Layman's summary:
Gamblers might be fools, but fools back both sides. They're still representative of the views in the community.
He targeted that area not because the high rates of ethnic minorities would agree with the Labour DLP policies, but a higher chance that section of the community would mistake Labour DLP for Labor (the ALP) on the ballot paper.
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My bad.
But remains to be seen whether Vic Labor would stand up to a sustained campaign by the greyhound industry and fellow travellers.
Currently NSW Labor are sure trying to not offend the clubs industry, despite massive public support for gambling reforms.
