List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Latest phantom draft in today's HSun

Will Green​

Sydney​

Northern Knights, 204cm Ruck
The Swans are believed to be having a good look at Green for this pick, and while it appears somewhat of a surprise it is not much of a stretch. The towering young ruckman could be anything after showing plenty of development this year. His tap-work stands out, but he is also aerobically strong to cover the ground and has good fundamentals with his kicking and marking. Green was a member of the All-Australian team this year, following a big under-18 national championships with Vic Metro.

If this comes to pass, can't see us taking May. Might be setting the scene for Cabor or Rider to be rookie listed?

 

[SGBeach]

The brother of Demons forward receiving draft interest from interstate clubs

A second van Rooyen could enter the AFL by this time next month.

www.sen.com.au

Van Rooyen says he’s spoken to Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney, GWS, St Kilda, Carlton and more, with his chances of joining his brother in a different time zone growing.

Swans talk to a lot of draftees,, not just for this draft, but also trades in the future (like Jordan)

 

[Adnico26Parker]

If this comes to pass, can't see us taking May. Might be setting the scene for Cabor or Rider to be rookie listed?

It does seem a bit strange, as all of the recent rankings have Green at around the 22-28 range.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

The brother of Demons forward receiving draft interest from interstate clubs

A second van Rooyen could enter the AFL by this time next month.

www.sen.com.au

Van Rooyen says he’s spoken to Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney, GWS, St Kilda, Carlton and more, with his chances of joining his brother in a different time zone growing.

Swans talk to a lot of draftees,, not just for this draft, but also trades in the future (like Jordan)

SVR is probably only 4th in line from Claremont this year.

Definitely behind Curtin & ZZ. Possibly also Fonti. He hasn’t exactly dominated at colts level this year.

Having said that - potential tall forwards don’t grow on trees, so wouldn’t surprise at all if he was drafted somewhere.

 

[Bandicoot]

Matty Roberts is interesting.. theres definitely enough there to be playing senior footy in the future.. in what position , I dont know? Looks an inside mid to me.. could he play back pocket?

Yep, a tall in the draft would be awesome. ZZ, Reid or Schoenmaker (his kicking looks elite and you cant have too many good kicks). All those players are a decent chance to still be available at pick 25.. thats why Id love see us trade down this year and trade up our future p19 into the first round. My dream scenario involves our F p19 for the Dogs F 1st (which the Suns have). Dogs could finish anywhere next year, and death riding them would be unreal!

There is no hope in hell that the dogs would be interested in taking our pick 12. They traded out their pick 10 due to the chance that Croft would be nominated prior to that. He certainly would be prior to our pick meaning it becomes useless to them.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

The Age's top 40 prospects in the 2023 draft crop (Marc McGowan)

Meet the young guns who could be on their way to your AFL club next month

This draft offers something for everyone from a positional sense, but there are fewer safe picks than most years and an expectation things could get wild from midway through the first round.

www.theage.com.au

Cleary ranked 34

Of who's been discussed at our first pick (or thereabouts):

17 Koltyn Tholstrup
18 Riley Hardeman
19 Ollie Murphy
23 Arie Schoenmaker
24 Charlie Edwards
26 Harry DeMattia
28 Will Green
31 Angus Hastie
32 Zane Zakostelsky

 

[SGBeach]

There is no hope in hell that the dogs would be interested in taking our pick 12. They traded out their pick 10 due to the chance that Croft would be nominated prior to that. He certainly would be prior to our pick meaning it becomes useless to them.

Us getting dogs future 1st (which the Suns have) doesn't mean we trade this years p12 to the dogs. I agree the dogs won't want it.
but
North might want to trade up to get p1.. Swans p12 for Norths p18 + p57 + F 2nd
Suns will need more points to match academy bids (If Walter goes at p2, Reid p9 and Rogers p14 + 4th Academy kid who could go p30-40 - as Twomey suggests)... So, Swans could then trade p45 + p55 (about the right amount of points needed) + F p19 for Suns future 1st (tied to the dogs).

I can think of dozens of other pick swaps involving Swans moving down this year but keeping a 1st pick in the range of ZZ & Schoenmaker.. and moving up in next years draft.
I just liked that one (as it seems to meet all the clubs requirements - according to me!) and death riding the dogs next year would be awesome!

 

[Ticky009]

It does seem a bit strange, as all of the recent rankings have Green at around the 22-28 range.

The rankings had Sheldrick being a pick in the 20's I think but we nabbed him at 18 because we knew it was unlikely he'd be available in our next pick.

Given that we only have 1 pick of any consequence its going to be interesting to see just how out there we get with this one.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Us getting dogs future 1st (which the Suns have) doesn't mean we trade this years p12 to the dogs. I agree the dogs won't want it.
but
North might want to trade up to get p1.. Swans p12 for Norths p18 + p57 + F 2nd
Suns will need more points to match academy bids (If Walter goes at p2, Reid p9 and Rogers p14 + 4th Academy kid who could go p30-40 - as Twomey suggests)... So, Swans could then trade p45 + p55 (about the right amount of points needed) + F p19 for Suns future 1st (tied to the dogs).

I can think of dozens of other pick swaps involving Swans moving down this year but keeping a 1st pick in the range of ZZ & Schoenmaker.. and moving up in next years draft.
I just liked that one (as it seems to meet all the clubs requirements - according to me!) and death riding the dogs next year would be awesome!

I see it like last year when Hawks wanted Josh Weddle. After the 2 bids and having pick 18, we traded out 18 to go back to 20, and got the Hawks' 27 and 2 future picks.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Us getting dogs future 1st (which the Suns have) doesn't mean we trade this years p12 to the dogs. I agree the dogs won't want it.
but
North might want to trade up to get p1.. Swans p12 for Norths p18 + p57 + F 2nd
Suns will need more points to match academy bids (If Walter goes at p2, Reid p9 and Rogers p14 + 4th Academy kid who could go p30-40 - as Twomey suggests)... So, Swans could then trade p45 + p55 (about the right amount of points needed) + F p19 for Suns future 1st (tied to the dogs).

I can think of dozens of other pick swaps involving Swans moving down this year but keeping a 1st pick in the range of ZZ & Schoenmaker.. and moving up in next years draft.
I just liked that one (as it seems to meet all the clubs requirements - according to me!) and death riding the dogs next year would be awesome!

Except West Coasts, a bunch a junk late first picks will not get pick 1, they already have refused a similar deal. They won't trade out of pick 1 unless it has picks 2 or 3 involved. Personally if they trade 1, it will be for 2 and say 15/17 or 18 (one of the 3.

 

[Bandicoot]

Us getting dogs future 1st (which the Suns have) doesn't mean we trade this years p12 to the dogs. I agree the dogs won't want it.
but
North might want to trade up to get p1.. Swans p12 for Norths p18 + p57 + F 2nd
Suns will need more points to match academy bids (If Walter goes at p2, Reid p9 and Rogers p14 + 4th Academy kid who could go p30-40 - as Twomey suggests)... So, Swans could then trade p45 + p55 (about the right amount of points needed) + F p19 for Suns future 1st (tied to the dogs).

I can think of dozens of other pick swaps involving Swans moving down this year but keeping a 1st pick in the range of ZZ & Schoenmaker.. and moving up in next years draft.
I just liked that one (as it seems to meet all the clubs requirements - according to me!) and death riding the dogs next year would be awesome!

My bad. I'd forgotten that they traded it to the Suns.

 

[mtooler]

The rankings had Sheldrick being a pick in the 20's I think but we nabbed him at 18 because we knew it was unlikely he'd be available in our next pick.

Given that we only have 1 pick of any consequence its going to be interesting to see just how out there we get with this one.

If there is anything we specialise in, it is out there 1st round draft picks.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

SVR is probably only 4th in line from Claremont this year.

Definitely behind Curtin & ZZ. Possibly also Fonti. He hasn’t exactly dominated at colts level this year.

Having said that - potential tall forwards don’t grow on trees, so wouldn’t surprise at all if he was drafted somewhere.

meant to ask you about Fonti, who from the bits I’ve seen looks a goer.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If there is anything we specialise in, it is out there 1st round draft picks.

Good ole Swans and taking a “draft bolter”

Been better in the last few years though

 

[Bloods86]

Good ole Swans and taking a “draft bolter”

Been better in the last few years though

One of the biggest myths going around. If we're using the main mock drafts and power rankings going around, we've had a single 1st round "reach" since Towers. And that's Sheldrick, where he was discussed mid to late 20s at the earliest.

Ling was mentioned within a few picks of where we got him. Stephens mentioned from Pick 5. Jones around the mark where we got him. Florent, Hayward same.

People just have short memories and it gets said enough, it's widely believed. Similar to "Swans mostly draft skinny flankers", which is clearly untrue.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

One of the biggest myths going around. If we're using the main mock drafts and power rankings going around, we've had a single 1st round "reach" since Towers. And that's Sheldrick, where he was discussed mid to late 20s at the earliest.

Ling was mentioned within a few picks of where we got him. Stephens mentioned from Pick 5. Jones around the mark where we got him. Florent, Hayward same.

People just have short memories and it gets said enough, it's widely believed. Similar to "Swans mostly draft skinny flankers", which is clearly untrue.

Hey for the first time I didn’t mention the Ling Selection and you just had to make me remember just how bad it was! A few picks is pushing it though. I still wanted Richards among others there. My issue wasn’t the selection but the value, trade down if that’s the plan.

 

[Bloods86]

Hey for the first time I didn’t mention the Ling Selection and you just had to make me remember just how bad it was! A few picks is pushing it though. I still wanted Richards among others there. My issue wasn’t the selection but the value, trade down if that’s the plan.

If we really wanted Ling, who could have been gone within a few picks, why would you risk it? Maybe we heard whispers like we did with Sheldrick. Fair enough if we thought he wasn't going for another 10+ picks. In any case, it's a bit odd when people use a player wrecked by injury as indicative of a bad selection. No-one actually knows whether Ling was a bad draft decision.

 

[Ticky009]

One more year for Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

Luckless Swans forward learns future after missing 2023 season

The Swans have made a decision on forward Sam Reid's future at the club

www.afl.com.au

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If we really wanted Ling, who could have been gone within a few picks, why would you risk it? Maybe we heard whispers like we did with Sheldrick. Fair enough if we thought he wasn't going for another 10+ picks. In any case, it's a bit odd when people use a player wrecked by injury as indicative of a bad selection. No-one actually knows whether Ling was a bad draft decision.

He can’t be anything else than a poor selection injury or whatever. This was made worse by the blokes taken right after him. Was it the worst one no but thankfully we’ve stopped these weird first rounders anyway.

 

[Kiama Chris]

He can’t be anything else than a poor selection injury or whatever. This was made worse by the blokes taken right after him. Was it the worst one no but thankfully we’ve stopped these weird first rounders anyway.

Ling was OK. What games he managed to play (NEAFL) he looked alright. Stoddart was the poorer choice. Not up to the pace or physicality. Bunny in the headlights.

 

[RUNVS]

Latest phantom draft in today's HSun

Will Green​

Sydney​

Northern Knights, 204cm Ruck
The Swans are believed to be having a good look at Green for this pick, and while it appears somewhat of a surprise it is not much of a stretch. The towering young ruckman could be anything after showing plenty of development this year. His tap-work stands out, but he is also aerobically strong to cover the ground and has good fundamentals with his kicking and marking. Green was a member of the All-Australian team this year, following a big under-18 national championships with Vic Metro.

He may be a good player, I don't know, but I do know I do not want Sydney picking a ruckman with our first pick. We won't even see him play a game for us until 2026 and it is easy to trade for a ruckman. We have more pressing needs.

 

[Dan87]

He may be a good player, I don't know, but I do know I do not want Sydney picking a ruckman with our first pick. We won't even see him play a game for us until 2026 and it is easy to trade for a ruckman. We have more pressing needs.

Trading for a ruckman is becoming a nightmare

Especially if you want a good one

If he's the best available no dramas

We need to develop talls because the market is ridiculous for them

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Another phantom draft (1st round) - from ESPN

First-round Phantom Draft - who your club could pick on night 1

The 2023 AFL Draft is less than a month away, and with players traded and picks swapped, Jasper Chellappah has released his latest Phantom Draft. Who does your club pick up on the first night? Plus where every team is looking with their draft hand.

www.espn.com.au

Ollie Murphy would be a nice consolation prize for the Bloods who are expected to take two picks in the draft. Kinnear Beatson is impossible to predict at the draft, but it would be difficult to imagine the Swans walking away without star Academy midfielder Caiden Cleary on their primary list.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Ling was OK. What games he managed to play (NEAFL) he looked alright. Stoddart was the poorer choice. Not up to the pace or physicality. Bunny in the headlights.

Least Stoddart was a late pick swing for the fences. Was a fan going through but whenever I hear the word steal and the bloke has dropped 2 rounds that’s a red flag. You need to make the most of early selections we have in the last few years that’s a good thing.

 

[sataris]

it is easy to trade for a ruckman.

Since Pyke retired we've traded in the following rucks

• Callum Sinclair (2016)
• Tom Hickey (2021)
• Peter Ladhams (2022)

We've been searching for rucks (as evidenced by amount we've taken in the national and rookie drafts) for years.

Brodie is the first genuine ruckman we've been able to grab in ages.

Not discounting how good hickey was, but that was more luck than good planning.