List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Punts]

Yep, the talk about McKay, King, Weitering down back is fantasy. HH, and a small chance at Naughton, are the gettable types. That said, I don't know why he would come to us, over staying in Vic or going back to WA.

Like Tippetts big contract?

Qld boy went to Sydney

Naughton isn’t a fantasy

 

[Bloods86]

If we are going to offer 900k for TDK or HH you may as well extend that to 1m+ and chase somebody significant.

Yeah, but we wouldn't be offering $900k for either of them.

 

[Bloods86]

Like Tippetts big contract?

Qld boy went to Sydney

Naughton isn’t a fantasy

We had COLA, players didn't lose out as much on accepting comparable money to come to us. We also didn't have to overpay to retain as much. Tippett also had family in Sydney. Did I say Naughton was a fantasy?

 

[Superstar swan]

It's hard for me to give beatson credit for logan. We shouldn't have Him.

North's incompetence meant they didn't realise not bidding in Campbell ensured we got 2 players inside the top 5 and one of those for free.

North should have bidded on Campbell given we had the very next pick, they didn't which meant we got logan and Campbell.

Pure dumb luck on our behalf

 

[Bloods86]

It's hard for me to give beatson credit for logan. We shouldn't have Him.

North's incompetence meant they didn't realise not bidding in Campbell ensured we got 2 players inside the top 5 and one of those for free.

North should have bidded on Campbell given we had the very next pick, they didn't which meant we got logan and Campbell.

Pure dumb luck on our behalf

People are happy to judge recruiters when other factors conspire against players post-draft, so while we had some luck, he still made the pick, an early pick, which some seem to think he isn't as good with.

We also don't know North's thinking. Maybe they genuinely rated Phillips first, maybe they thought we might baulk at 4 for Campbell, maybe they thought Logan was a flight risk.

 

[Punts]

It's hard for me to give beatson credit for logan. We shouldn't have Him.

North's incompetence meant they didn't realise not bidding in Campbell ensured we got 2 players inside the top 5 and one of those for free.

North should have bidded on Campbell given we had the very next pick, they didn't which meant we got logan and Campbell.

Pure dumb luck on our behalf

Phillips will be a gun , killed us the other.

Will Logan actually be a KF you build around , I’m not sold on that. Not saying for a second he won’t be good and is good now but I see him a lead up forward similar to a Gunston and ( crows ) lynch type.

 

[caesar88]

If anything I've moaned before (not lately iirc) about Dalrymple loving mids too much.

That is very true

 

[hairy biker]

Phillips will be a gun , killed us the other.

Will Phillips in Round 10 2023 NM v Sydney had 16 disposals of which 14 were handballs.
He also had a NEGATIVE metres 'gained' of 16 metres. The only player other than the subs to have a loss in metres gained. He played 77% of game time.

I'm not sure than equates to 'killing us'.

 

[caesar88]

Will Phillips in Round 10 2023 NM v Sydney had 16 disposals of which 14 were handballs.
He also had a NEGATIVE metres 'gained' of 16 metres. The only player other than the subs to have a loss in metres gained. He played 77% of game time.

I'm not sure than equates to 'killing us'.

Plenty of those handballs were to the free Roo pushing up for the rebound. Richmond's mids used to do this with Houli, Short, Baker etc.

It's good clearance work.

 

[ShireSwan]

The club would have a fair idea by now if Stephens is staying or not.

What to do with him depends in part on form, but also on the likelihood of him staying.

At least he'd be servicable while giving a spell every third week to Gulden and Sheldrick - which is how we should be playing them sto they don't hit the Hanners career wall way too early. Personally I think Stephens has untapped potential that our team hasn't utilized, even if we are trading him on, playing him where he could be effective will boost his value.

 

[ShireSwan]

We weren’t getting buddy either

I think you can get McKay

Not sure we'd want a forward that can't kick a goal. Certainly not for the draft capital we'd be spending. I'd literally rather try Buller for a year than spend a first on Mackay.f

 

[WhippingCupcakes]

Young signed a 3 year extension only 3 months ago.

Promising Carlton defender signs three-year extension with Blues

Lewis Young will remain at Carlton until the end of 2026.

www.sen.com.au

 

[WhippingCupcakes]

I believe it. We've signed a bunch of players to long contracts, makes sense we've lined up someone like TDK to come in for a long time as well

But what has TDK done? I only want to pay overs for a proven player.

 

[WhippingCupcakes]

Basically the rumour is that we massively overpay for Carlton's backup ruckman who is out of contract and give away our All Australian Small Forward who is contracted for another 5 years.

Such a load of crap. In the time since Carlton last played finals, we've been in 3 GFs including last year. And that finals appearance was a technicality!

How are we still not a destination club? Even Brisbane attracted Neale and Dunkley.

 

[ashep]

Phillips will turn out fine but there's no way he has a higher ceiling than McDonald.

 

[caesar88]

Phillips will turn out fine but there's no way he has a higher ceiling than McDonald.

He's played 24 games and McDonald has played 33.

The talk of players' "ceilings" makes no sense to me with young players.

There are just as many players who never live up to their "ceilings" as there are players who end up exceeding their "ceilings".

Who even knows what any of their ceilings can be or will be.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

What if TDK is just a ruse for someone else we've targeted, or are chasing?

 

[Dan87]

Phillips will be a gun , killed us the other.

Will Logan actually be a KF you build around , I’m not sold on that. Not saying for a second he won’t be good and is good now but I see him a lead up forward similar to a Gunston and ( crows ) lynch type.

You're out of control.

Some people just want to watch the world burn

 

[Dan87]

He's played 24 games and McDonald has played 33.

The talk of players' "ceilings" makes no sense to me with young players.

There are just as many players who never live up to their "ceilings" as there are players who end up exceeding their "ceilings".

Who even knows what any of their ceilings can be or will be.

Players that are handball first and don't kick goals tend to be thought of as having a low ceiling in modern footy.

 

[Punts]

Will Phillips in Round 10 2023 NM v Sydney had 16 disposals of which 14 were handballs.
He also had a NEGATIVE metres 'gained' of 16 metres. The only player other than the subs to have a loss in metres gained. He played 77% of game time.

I'm not sure than equates to 'killing us'.

You're out of control.

Some people just want to watch the world burn

Taking lines from Batman

 

[Wolfgang West]

Naughton, McKay, Himmelberg, Weitering ?????

I wanted to bed Elle McPherson Too.

Fantasy can be a wonderful thing.

 

[Punts]

Naughton, McKay, Himmelberg, Weitering ?????

I wanted to bed Elle McPherson Too.

Fantasy can be a wonderful thing.

Was once said about Franklin too

Do you think we are not attractive enough for them?

Money?

 

[ShireSwan]

Naughton, McKay, Himmelberg, Weitering ?????

I wanted to bed Elle McPherson Too.

Fantasy can be a wonderful thing.

You might be a chance in another ten years. Keep at it.

 

[WillHayward]

Looking at the Eagles makes me think we should absolutely not give Reid another year .

We need blokes on the list who actually play

If you carry too many blokes that don't play it can turn ugly real real quick.

How many high risk players can we carry?

Our reserves side is already full of top-ups.

The Eagles keep handing out contract extensions to old blokes who never actually set foot on the field

And it's hurting them badly

 

[Bloods86]

Was once said about Franklin too

Do you think we are not attractive enough for them?

Money?

Yes, money is a big part of it. We have to pay overs to retain, and if we offer similar to a club from Vic, or someone's home state, why would they take our offer, when they get more value elsewhere.

Draft picks too, we often don't have the greatest selections, so unless we're going for a free agent (Buddy) or delisted/PSD (Tippett), we face an uphill battle.