Victoria Election - 29 November 2014

[tandino]

Can anyone confirm this.

In the event the Victorian government is unable to complete it's four year fix term, (because of loss of confidence or losses in by-elections). The earlier than usual general election will only be for three years not four.

That's correct. If an election were to be held early, the next election will return to the last Saturday in November, but the term of that parliament between those two elections will not extend beyond four years, so it's end will be brought forward a year.

 

[telsor]

Compared to a bunch of other recent political messes, this one seems rather small, but it being treated more harshly than the rest were, so clearly there are political benefits to both sides from what he's copping (or is proposed he cop) and that they're the bigger driver.

I agree with tandino that his punishment should be based on his actions rather than his opinions/voting intentions, and by precedent, that's clearly not the case here. That said, I would have been A LOT harsher on those who came before....Those in charge and abuse their authority should be punished many times harsher than the 'normal' people who placed their trust in our 'leaders'.

 

[Maggie5]

Compared to a bunch of other recent political messes, this one seems rather small, but it being treated more harshly than the rest were, so clearly there are political benefits to both sides from what he's copping (or is proposed he cop) and that they're the bigger driver.

I agree with tandino that his punishment should be based on his actions rather than his opinions/voting intentions, and by precedent, that's clearly not the case here. That said, I would have been A LOT harsher on those who came before....Those in charge and abuse their authority should be punished many times harsher than the 'normal' people who placed their trust in our 'leaders'.

He mis-used his entitlements, he stole! Staffers and others in private enterprise have been sacked for less offenses. These were his actions, nothing to do with his beliefs! Did you listen to it?

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Labor don't want to expel him and the Coalition didn't suspend him because of his "opinions". That's spin zone talk.

 

[telsor]

He mis-used his entitlements, he stole! Staffers and others in private enterprise have been sacked for less offenses. These were his actions, nothing to do with his beliefs! Did you listen to it?

Oh, I agree, I'd throw him out, prosecute him in the courts and have his punishment several times that that a 'normal' person would get because those who represent us and make/enforce the laws should be held to a higher standard.

My point was that none of this happened with the likes of Slipper and Coulson who did significantly more.

 

[Maggie5]

Oh, I agree, I'd throw him out, prosecute him in the courts and have his punishment several times that that a 'normal' person would get because those who represent us and make/enforce the laws should be held to a higher standard.

My point was that none of this happened with the likes of Slipper and Coulson who did significantly more.

Didn't read that in your post at all, however in slipper's case the matters are still before the courts I believe. Don't know about Coulson.

 

[telsor]

Didn't read that in your post at all, however in slipper's case the matters are still before the courts I believe. Don't know about Coulson.

But neither were thrown out of parliament, or even suspended if memory serves.

Coulson had charges laid, but they weren't pursued because he got cancer and was supposedly going to die before the trial could be finalised.....He lived another 6 years.

 

[Maggie5]

But neither were thrown out of parliament, or even suspended if memory serves.

Coulson had charges laid, but they weren't pursued because he got cancer and was supposedly going to die before the trial could be finalised.....He lived another 6 years.

Not sure you should throw someone out until the case has been heard and found guilty. In Shaw's case a committee found it proved with some very strong admissions from his own staff.

 

[telsor]

Not sure you should throw someone out until the case has been heard and found guilty. In Shaw's case a committee found it proved with some very strong admissions from his own staff.

Committees found those two guilty as well. Personally, I'd require a court to rule on it though...I suspect a committee of politicians is more likely to judge in accordance with the political rather than legal issues.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Yes. A general election dissolves the entire parliament, regardless of the duration of each member's term.

There would be some constraint on the latest possible date for a by-election with a fixed election date, not exactly sure when that is though.

Cheers. With that in mind i'd rather this clown hung around until November than waste a heap of tax players money holding a by-election.

Hopefully Labor come to their senses and choose to not waste our taxes in calling for one.

 

[telsor]

In a desperate attempt to steal defeat from the jaws of victory, the ALP shoots itself in the foot...again.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-...as-pulls-out-bully-claims/5536238?section=vic

 

[Ice-Wolf]

In a desperate attempt to steal defeat from the jaws of victory, the ALP shoots itself in the foot...again.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-...as-pulls-out-bully-claims/5536238?section=vic

Lol I don't know why the Liberals are crowing, they put Shaw up as a candidate.

 

[samFFC]

In a desperate attempt to steal defeat from the jaws of victory, the ALP shoots itself in the foot...again.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-...as-pulls-out-bully-claims/5536238?section=vic

Indeed. But you can guarantee the media hawks will be out with knives at any sniff of misstep from the ALP. 5-6 months is a very long time!

 

[Todman]

One of the problems for Napthine is that he is a believer in the fact that government should work quietly in the background and as such have a low profile. The Bracks-Brumby years certainly took advantage of the 24 hour media cycle.

 

[telsor]

Lol I don't know why the Liberals are crowing, they put Shaw up as a candidate.

Presumably because it makes them look less bad (in relative terms at least).

 

[telsor]

One of the problems for Napthine is that he is a believer in the fact that government should work quietly in the background and as such have a low profile. The Bracks-Brumby years certainly took advantage of the 24 hour media cycle.

Honestly, I tend to agree with that attitude...Most of government is doing the 'boring' stuff and, hopefully, doing it well, so that should be the main focus, even though it tends not to get the press salivating and as a result makes the electorate think you're 'doing nothing'.

 

[swingdog]

One of the problems for Napthine is that he is a believer in the fact that government should work quietly in the background and as such have a low profile. The Bracks-Brumby years certainly took advantage of the 24 hour media cycle.

Problem was that Napthine/Baillieu government wasn't doing the work. Launching a transport strategy in your final year of government when it was one of the key issues that got you elected makes you wonder what they were doing for 3 years.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

I was at a breakfast seminar last week where Gordon Rich-Phillips gave the keynote presentation. I've heard Mr Rich-Phillips present on numerous occasions (at least a half-dozen times in the last three years), as I work in one of the industries which is part of his portfolios. Up until last week, I hadn't heard Mr Rich-Phillips take a potshot at the Opposition, which is understandable as it's part of the "give the other side no oxygen" strategy. Last week, he took several minutes out of his presentation to have a crack at Daniel Andrews and the Opposition generally on the issue of removing level crossings.

Self-obvious, but the shadow campaign is now under way in the State and the attacks from both sides of politics on each other side will only increase between now and November. My wife's former boss is a candidate in the election and he's been raising his local profile for months and recently opened his campaign office.

Helen Constas would have been a good ALP candidate for Frankston, given Ms Constas works in the legal profession in Frankston at the Community Legal Centre. Of course, as soon as the workplace bullying issue surfaced, her position as the candidate became untenable. Presumably the ALP will move quickly to preselect another candidate but in a three-way contest for Frankston, that candidate will be at a pronounced disadvantage.

 

[mottrain]

I was at a breakfast seminar last week where Gordon Rich-Phillips gave the keynote presentation. I've heard Mr Rich-Phillips present on numerous occasions (at least a half-dozen times in the last three years), as I work in one of the industries which is part of his portfolios. Up until last week, I hadn't heard Mr Rich-Phillips take a potshot at the Opposition, which is understandable as it's part of the "give the other side no oxygen" strategy. Last week, he took several minutes out of his presentation to have a crack at Daniel Andrews and the Opposition generally on the issue of removing level crossings.

Self-obvious, but the shadow campaign is now under way in the State and the attacks from both sides of politics on each other side will only increase between now and November. My wife's former boss is a candidate in the election and he's been raising his local profile for months and recently opened his campaign office.

Helen Constas would have been a good ALP candidate for Frankston, given Ms Constas works in the legal profession in Frankston at the Community Legal Centre. Of course, as soon as the workplace bullying issue surfaced, her position as the candidate became untenable. Presumably the ALP will move quickly to preselect another candidate but in a three-way contest for Frankston, that candidate will be at a pronounced disadvantage.

How Helen would have been good for Frankston, candidate or otherwise is beyond me mainly due to the fact that there is going to be concerns regarding the ways he does things or treats her staff,standard citicen in the seat who will disagree with her etc.

 

[pazza]

Last week's Constas' thing has been the only slip up by Andrews in his entire tenure as LOTO.

Blatant advertising about East-West Link by Napthine at Avalon Airport went up last week. Pretty sure no-one in Geelong gives a fat rat's clacker about that issue.

 

[mottrain]

Last week's Constas' thing has been the only slip up by Andrews in his entire tenure as LOTO.

Blatant advertising about East-West Link by Napthine at Avalon Airport went up last week. Pretty sure no-one in Geelong gives a fat rat's clacker about that issue.

Shaw as well.

 

[AM]

One of the problems for Napthine is that he is a believer in the fact that government should work quietly in the background and as such have a low profile. The Bracks-Brumby years certainly took advantage of the 24 hour media cycle.

So you don't have a television then?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Napthine not doing himself any favors. Given the backlash against Abbott, being lumped in the same basket, so attacking the vulnerable won't help.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/n...l-housing-support-program-20140622-zsi45.html

Napthine cuts funding to successful housing support program

The Napthine government cut funding to a successful housing support program weeks after being advised it was one of the main reasons Victoria met a national agreement to reduce homelessness.

It comes as specialist legal service Homeless Law deals with an increase in clients facing eviction from public housing, with the service helping 24 households including at least 17 children, facing homelessness in the past three months alone.

A leaked cabinet-in-confidence draft report reveals that the Social Housing Advocacy and Support Program was the main reason Victoria exceeded the national partnership agreement on homelessness target for the "proportion of people in social housing or private rental who are supported to maintain or secure sustainable housing".

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/n...l-housing-support-program-20140622-zsi45.html

 

[Jascave]

How do you see the Victorian Election panning out at this point in time?

Would Labor coast in to an easy victory, or will the Coalition pull a rabbit out of the hat and stay in power for another 4 years?

 

[swingdog]

Sportsbet has Labor at $1.57 and Libs at $2.30.

That seems about right for a two-horse race, though you could also consider it generous given the current margin and size of swing required. I'd pick Labor by a comfortable though not massive margin.