Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

[Bollox]

Maybe its time to put "Operation Hansen-Young" into full effect.

Empty our disgruntled and persecuted jail inmates onto some planes, then secretly fly them to the Nth coast of PNG.
Destroy their documents so nobody knows who they are, load them onto boats and send them North, East and West...with an anonymous Sarah Hansen Young skippering one of them.

Which countries would be her best bet to claim asylum but get treated in a manner she actually approves...maybe even a nice apartment thrown in, full access to welfare, a free fridge and dishwasher perhaps, and very rapidly processed no questions asked for permanent residency.

Anyone wish to speculate on which direction she should steer the boat ?...or is anywhere other than south a good direction ?

 

[noddy]

Maggie just doesn't understand that visa overstayers in Australia are not asylum seekers.

That is poor form from you Guru, Maggie knows only two well visa over stayers are not AS, she is pointing out that a lot of VO are in this country illegally but you can't seem to grasp that instead you attack the poster nilly willy.

 

[GuruJane]

That is poor form from you Guru, Maggie knows only two well visa over stayers are not AS, she is pointing out that a lot of VO are in this country illegally but you can't seem to grasp that instead you attack the poster nilly willy.

Maggs points out that "alot of VO are in this country illegally".
So what?
There have been VOs for time immemorial in every country in the world that requires visas for entry.
Every year a number of VOs move or go home and are replaced by new VOs. That's just the way its always been.
So what's the big deal and why is she going on and on about it?
Maybe you can explain Nods.

 

[sherb]

Maggie just doesn't understand that visa overstayers in Australia are not asylum seekers.

They are just common, run of the mill illegals.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

No-one doubts that poor low socioeconomic peeps commit more crime than the wealthy upper socioeconomic ones. It's a fundamental of criminology.

Not as strong as the gender bias of crime though, so by your logic we should ban men from immigrating.

You are posting in response to Meds. There's at least one

 

[Maggie5]

Maggs points out that "alot of VO are in this country illegally".
So what?
There have been VOs for time immemorial in every country in the world that requires visas for entry.
Every year a number of VOs move or go home and are replaced by new VOs. That's just the way its always been.
So what's the big deal and why is she going on and on about it?
Maybe you can explain Nods.

To use your words, 'I go on and on about it" because it is illegal. Which part of that statement don't you get?
So you are saying you don't have a problem with Over Stayers, is that right?
Yes or No will do.

Yeah, lets just stick the boots in GJ's fav topic. Asylum Seekers.

 

[GuruJane]

No I don't, Maggs. And won't have a problem unless they all start claiming asylum and swamp the system and deprive the dispossessed in the UN camps of their.chance.

 

[Malifice]

At the heart of this; Goughs belief in a world without borders administered by a single government..

Out of curiosity, whats wrong with a world without borders?

 

[Maggie5]

No I don't, Maggs. And won't have a problem until they all start claiming asylum.

Great so you do support illegal migrants in the country just not those coming by boat. Gotcha, I know where you are coming from now, kick he crap out of boat people. I wonder whether you thought the same about the Vietnamese.

Have you read the Moss report yet, you challenged me to find you a link re conditions in detention centres and the treatment of detainees.
You seem to have gone quiet on this. Knew you wouldn't accept the Trigg's report.
You may have to read between the lines as there are quite a few redactions.

 

[Malifice]

We have been over that Gough, because the system was rigged in their favour. The approval % jumped massively under the last govt as they imported lots of natural ALP voters. Pretty disgusting stuff, we should all feel ashamed at that. Any decent Australian would.

You're actually insinuating that the Department of Immigration started approving more applications for refugee status (during a Labor Govt), because the asylum seekers were likely going to vote Labor in the future?

You're losing it bro.

 

[Gough]

Must be all those lefties who fled Vietnam under Communism.

 

[Malifice]

Must be all those lefties who fled Vietnam under Communism.

Nah, they're too busy to vote seeing as they're all out in Vietnamese crime gangs raping and killing everyone according to Meds.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Anyone wish to speculate on which direction she should steer the boat ?...or is anywhere other than south a good direction ?

I'd prefer Islamic State

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Must be all those lefties who fled Vietnam under Communism.

The ones that your namesake called yellow balts?

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Out of curiosity, whats wrong with a world without borders?

Not a single thing, provided you're willing to extend the Australian welfare state to cover the 3rd world

 

[medusala]

Out of curiosity, whats wrong with a world without borders?

Mods trolling. Heil Figbooty.

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Nah, they're too busy to vote seeing as they're all out in Vietnamese crime gangs raping and killing everyone according to Meds.

Must be hard continuously typing one handed.

 

[Malifice]

Not a single thing, provided you're willing to extend the Australian welfare state to cover the 3rd world

I am.

In fact I'd love to raise the third world to australian standards of living.

 

[Xsess]

Out of curiosity, whats wrong with a world without borders?

The world would descend to anarchy. As an example, with no controls in Australia our population would jump from 25 million to 60-70 million in less than a decade and society would breakdown. All the systems such as education, health, law and order, would exceed critical mass and fail en-mass. Huge swathes of society would starve or die through lack of water and we'd see the re-emergence of diseases like TB, malaria etc.

Then the baseload within the population who have newly arrived from the middle east and africa would forceably attempt to TAKE from those who own productive resources and that would probably kick off a civil war in which two scenarios would emerge 1) indigenous populations would get massacred (because they would be grossly outnumbered and have been de-armed) or 2) the remnants of the military overthrow whatever political structure allowed the absurdity in the first place before enaging in genocide of the "invaders". The scenario would be played out internationally and in a nuclear world it could easily kick off an extinction event.

 

[Gough]

Thirty five million would enter Australia in ten years? You must be smoking what I am.

 

[Todman]

You're actually insinuating that the Department of Immigration started approving more applications for refugee status (during a Labor Govt), because the asylum seekers were likely going to vote Labor in the future?

It's well known that this happened. The flow of boats was embrassassing to the government who lacked the will to stop it. By waving the masses through releaved the pressure. Grant them citizenship then they could start to get their extended family here.

 

[Gough]

It's well known that this happened. The flow of boats was embrassassing to the government who lacked the will to stop it. By waving the masses through releaved the pressure. Grant them citizenship then they could start to get their extended family here.

I'm sure that you'll be able to demonstrate this.

 

[Maggie5]

I'm sure that you'll be able to demonstrate this.

I think that he is referring to 457 visas

 

[Malifice]

It's well known that this happened. The flow of boats was embrassassing to the government who lacked the will to stop it. By waving the masses through releaved the pressure. Grant them citizenship then they could start to get their extended family here.

Are you insane? The very process is designed to make an application virtually impossible unless you can clearly demonstrate you are a genuine refugee. Removal of the right of judicial review, having to make your claim while imprisoned offshore with no access to legal representation or knowledge of the laws, reversal of the onus of proof etc.

You think that Labor stacked the Refugee tribunal with lackeys with the directive to 'let the claimants through' while in power?

Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

The world would descend to anarchy. As an example, with no controls in Australia our population would jump from 25 million to 60-70 million in less than a decade and society would breakdown. All the systems such as education, health, law and order, would exceed critical mass and fail en-mass. Huge swathes of society would starve or die through lack of water and we'd see the re-emergence of diseases like TB, malaria etc.

Then the baseload within the population who have newly arrived from the middle east and africa would forceably attempt to TAKE from those who own productive resources and that would probably kick off a civil war in which two scenarios would emerge 1) indigenous populations would get massacred (because they would be grossly outnumbered and have been de-armed) or 2) the remnants of the military overthrow whatever political structure allowed the absurdity in the first place before enaging in genocide of the "invaders". The scenario would be played out internationally and in a nuclear world it could easily kick off an extinction event.

Thats a very specific theory. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

When Europe removed borders to form the EU there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars. When Australia and the USA federated there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars. When Russia annexed east Europe and formed the USSR there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars. Within the Holy Roman Empire, Third Reich Germany, Napoleonic France and Imperial Rome conquered Europe there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars (barring the wars to create those empires in the first place, and resistance to the occupation).

In fact, the argument can be made that each one of those amalgamations of separate nations not only stopped mass wars, but also improved education, health and law and order.

Whats your evidence for your outrageous claim?

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Thirty five million would enter Australia in ten years? You must be smoking what I am.

with a liberal sprinkling of angel dust

 

[Xsess]

Thirty five million would enter Australia in ten years? You must be smoking what I am.

Conservatively. But no I'm not a drug addict - fries your brain.

Thats a very specific theory. Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

When Europe removed borders to form the EU there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars. When Australia and the USA federated there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars. When Russia annexed east Europe and formed the USSR there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars. Within the Holy Roman Empire, Third Reich Germany, Napoleonic France and Imperial Rome conquered Europe there was no breakdown of education, health or law and order, or mass wars (barring the wars to create those empires in the first place, and resistance to the occupation).

What do these strawmen have to do with a worldwide open borders policy? Open borders would result in mass migration from third world countries to first world on a scale unparralleled in the history of human kind... the evidence is playing out in Europe on a much smaller scale right now.