Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Marc_Remillard]

Name calling is the most basic form of racism, and can start as early as preschool.hild

You can't seriously tell me that this 13yr old had no idea that calling a grown man an ape was wrong up until that night.

A 13 year old is just a child, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she had no idea it could be considered racism by individuals, hell, she may not even have grasped the whole concept of racism.

However, I'm pretty sure a grown man could understand that pretending to throw a spear at someone sitting in the crowd could be interpreted as an aggressive act.

 

[kfc1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

You're welcome!

Apparently Seppo and Pom are racial slurs

Don't think the list can distinguish between a nickname and a slur

 

[kfc1]

Name calling is the most basic form of racism, and can start as early as preschool.

You can't seriously tell me that this 13yr old had no idea that calling a grown man an ape was wrong up until that night.

wtf?
Would she have been ejected from the stadium and all the subsequent media crap for calling Mumford an ape? Dunstall? Plugger? Hawkins?
This is not about whether its OK to yell abuse/insult football players, this is about racism and whether she would have known ape is a racial slur or whether she just used it as an insult.

 

[momentbymoment]

Why aren't Noel Pearson, Mick Dodson or David Wirrpanda scolded in this way? Because they are well-educated and respected individuals in their fields - law, academia, society etc. Their standing and experience equips them with the necessary hardware to approach the issue like men that live in the real world that, like it or not, is run by the White Man in this country. Adam is like a little boy that is angry at this world and doesn't know how to express himself. Had he directed his War Dance towards his adversaries (the Carlton players) and not the fans, I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it because they coveted the same thing - victory on the battlefield that was the SCG. His post-game justification of being "proud to represent" was just nonsense. That was no celebration; it was provocative and a call to arms. "You want my land? Come and take it". I thought Pemulwuy died 200+ years ago. In all of this, I think Adam's War Dance is emblematic of his mindset; he loathes the White Man.

He is ill-equipped to handle the ramifications of his behaviour because he is an athlete and not a politician. We love you for the way you glide across the 'G effortlessly, but this doesn't give you the right to regularly demonstrate your bitterness towards the White Man. What exactly do you want today's White Man to do, Adam? He is decades removed from the White Men you have a problem with. This is why you should leave the crusading to the likes of Pearson, Dodson and Wirrpanda to a certain extent - be realistic.

There is no doubt we have a dark, shameful history - the murder of 100,000 Aboriginals in the Frontier Wars, the lack of voting rights until the late 1960s and the "Stolen Generation" to name a few - and most White Men of today would readily admit that, perhaps best exemplified by the successful referendum re those voting rights. But, to echo the sentiments of many other posters, we don't go to the football to be lectured by someone that, in all fairness, isn't exactly "across the field" in an academic sense in what he is standing up for.

We should boycott the abomination that is the AFL in the 21st century until they get their act together. Enough is enough. Granted we all love our clubs and the game, but the essence of the game is dead in the cities. Embers of Australian Rules exist at grassroots level but they are slowly fading. This attempt to put the clamps on our freedom of speech is just PC gone mental. Cop the eggs from the Sydney fans and cop the ejection from Big Brother if you feel the need to boo Adam Goodes. People power will speak louder than the spin-doctored words of some ass-kissing AFL captains. Furthermore, the lack of a spectacle augments the undercurrent of fan discontent. The issue of 'fan engagement' is far deeper than the superficiality of "Make Some Noise" signs and cheaper food. Switch off Channel 7, can Fox Footy and stop clicking on Fairfax/News Corp AFL pages. Up yours Oakley, Andrew, Gillon, Fitzpatrick and Kielty. These men are so far detached from the typical Australian football fan it is not funny. Rhodes Scholars, pigs with political influence and a polo playing management consultant with a diamond-encrusted bed have been running this asylum for too long. I acknowledge the need for a robust business model (as we all acknowledged was needed in the late 80s), but it has gone too far.

Call me racist. Ban me. Hurl eggs at me. I can't be the only one that feels this way.

I keep hearing this same complaint. When has Adam ever lectured at a football match?

Is it a pre-match thing?
I've never seen him do that.

 

[Dacksaredown]

Really?....Does that include your statement also?

Your lack of constitutional understanding of the fundamental basis for a free society is what is 'laughable'!...No, Actually, it's rather sad.

Don't make me shred you on this forum chum, because I will.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

Really?....Does that include your statement also?

Your lack of constitutional understanding of the fundamental basis for a free society is what is 'laughable'!...No, Actually, it's rather sad.

Don't make me shred you on this forum chum, because I will.

Free Speech hahahaha...., something we didn't know we had until Bolt thought he lost it. EVERYONE is free to say what they like, but if your facts are incorrect (see Bolt) you will be called out on or taken to court. Bolt has free speech, the article he wrote was factually incorrect. The judge didn't say you CANT write that, the judge said you got your facts WRONG.

 

[beta_condition]

I can't believe how many people are excusing or defending her because she was 13, I'm willing to bet the vast majority of 13 year olds know that Ape is a racial slur or at the very least offensive. It's not like she was 7 or something.

Any responsible person is defending what she said but how Goodes went about it, no one should be the face of racism specially at such a young age. As I've said before not even pedophiles get their identity leaked the whole situation was handled poorly.

 

[docks]

She was lucky to learn a valuable lesson at 13.Some people on this forum havnt learnt it as adults.

Did anyone learn their lesson that it is not proper adult behaviour to put a scared child in a room without access to a parent or guardian for two hours? Did anyone learn a lesson about naming this child as 'the face of racism in Australia' is totally inappropriate...the list goes on.

 

[vast]

Apparently Seppo and Pom are racial slurs

Don't think the list can distinguish between a nickname and a slur

Well it depends on the context doesnt it? Dont know why your referencing wikipedia as some sort of gospel especially with such a subjective topic.

 

[Chief]

Don't think the list can distinguish between a nickname and a slur

Retreating into dictionary definitions and consistency traps again? Stop trolling.

You know full well that calling an Aboriginal guy an ape is bloody horrendous.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

wtf?
Would she have been ejected from the stadium and all the subsequent media crap for calling Mumford an ape? Dunstall? Plugger? Hawkins?
This is not about whether its OK to yell abuse/insult football players, this is about racism and whether she would have known ape is a racial slur or whether she just used it as an insult.

So you think she just stumbled across 'ape' in her vernacular? There was no prior use of the word, she'd never heard her parents use it in that way? She very well could have called hima giraffe, but ape just sounded right.

I have a golden unicorn I would like to sell you.

 

[kfc1]

Retreating into dictionary definitions and consistency traps again?

You know full well that calling an Aboriginal guy an ape is bloody horrendous. Stop trolling.

I know that. I'm a grown man. I don't think I knew it was a racial slur that at 13 and I doubt she did either.

 

[kfc1]

So you think she just stumbled across 'ape' in her vernacular? There was no prior use of the word, she'd never heard her parents use it in that way? She very well could have called hima giraffe, but ape just sounded right.
I have a golden unicorn I would like to sell you.

Does he remotely resemble a giraffe?
She probably watched all the footy shows and heard them talking about how Dunstall was a gorilla up forward.

 

[Vic pokiesmon]

The only way to bring about unity between peoples is through peaceful and conscious ways, not war and divisiveness. Goodes has all the right to speak about Indigenous rights, however, he has used his AFL platform to raise these issues in the wrong way.

I for one am offended that the AFL and a lot of media personalities have called the average white person racist just for booing him. Out of the 71Indigenous folk who are currently playing the game, he is the only one who is being booed.

Now is the time for him to be honest with himself and for the public to quit the boos. He has so much potential at raising these issues, but there really is better ways to go about then what he has done so far in the AFL.

Let's hope he has had some time to reflect on his behaviours, and I hope also that the booers have had time to reflect on whether or not they really need to be booing him anymore.

Let's make peace, not war. After all, we are all human beings who share the same rock.

This only '1 of 71' argument has been explained.Hes the strongest voice but the rest of the indigenous players support him.Goodes therefore cops the heat.Once again people dont like there black sports stars been opionated.Just shut up and win us games is how the average punter views there indigenous players.The rest of the afl players get it, the Afl get it but the punters are just hiding behind 'we just.dont like Goodes'.The guise is up.If u dont allow a black man to speak his opinion and state some sad facts about the treatment of Indigenous people whether u like it or not and then boo him incessantly your a rascist.All the other reasons have been exposed as smokescreens

 

[kfc1]

Well it depends on the context doesnt it? Dont know why your referencing wikipedia as some sort of gospel especially with such a subjective topic.

It was posted by someone else, not me.
What is the definitive list of racial slurs? This stuff needs to be in school curricula yesterday!

 

[Chief]

I know that. I'm a grown man. I don't think I knew it was a racial slur that at 13 and I doubt she did either.

Are you REALLY going to rehash this?

This little dance has been done a dozen times in this thread alone.

 

[Jugada]

Name calling is the most basic form of racism, and can start as early as preschool.

You can't seriously tell me that this 13yr old had no idea that calling a grown man an ape was wrong up until that night.

95% of 13yos wouldn't have any knowledge of the historical meaning behind calling a black person a monkey

 

[kfc1]

Just shut up and win us games is how the average punter views there indigenous players.

is that not how the 'average punter' views all their players?

 

[DERIBERATE]

Are you REALLY going to rehash this?

This little dance has been done a dozen times in this thread alone.

One of your moderators used the extremely offensive slur "love it (australia) or leave" in this thread too, have you done anything about that?

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Does he remotely resemble a giraffe?
She probably watched all the footy shows and heard them talking about how Dunstall was a gorilla up forward.

Wasn't Dunstall portrayed as an Ape on the footy show?

 

[kfc1]

Are you REALLY going to rehash this?

This little dance has been done a dozen times in this thread alone.

You brought it up.

 

[hardon]

Like I have said, I booed him earlier this year but it's become quite apparent that for everyone 10 people who are booing him because they think he's a diving flog, there's 2-3 who think he had no right to stand up to being racially vilified and that he should have just worn the "ape" tag and stop sooking.

If you choose to boo, especially after EVERY clubs players have tried to get it to stop, you're going to be judged as being a part of the 2-3, not the other 7.

i don't think anyone should wear being villified. where we depart is whether the booing is vilification by any usual understanding of the term, and whether the % amount of racists is significant enough to make it reasonable to view it as 'supporting the racist's.

just like the percentage of muslims that are terrorists is not enough to make the good muslims want to stop being muslim so they aren't associated with the terrorists.

it's just the ad homenim form of the fallacy of association. trying to guilt people into stopping by associating them with all kinds of nasty types. i don't mind that people feel sorry for him and want the boos to stop. but the reetarded and fallacious way people are going about it just shits me.

 

[momentbymoment]

I know that. I'm a grown man. I don't think I knew it was a racial slur that at 13 and I doubt she did either.

I suppose it's an education thing. If you grow up in a family that is comfortable with racism you would probably not know that the rest of the community considers it poor form.

To be honest, racism was everywhere when I was growing up. First the Italians, then the Greeks, the Lebanese and finally the Asians. I suppose it's reasonable to assume some people did not get the memo.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Does he remotely resemble a giraffe?
She probably watched all the footy shows and heard them talking about how Dunstall was a gorilla up forward.

Ok, so we're getting somewhere now. You're now acknowledging that you think he looks like an ape, and this is where her head was at. Yes?

My next question to you is, do you think she called Goodes an ape because she thought he might appreciate it? Or do you think she might have been saying something that she thought would get under his skin?
Him being a Swans player and her being a Pies fan....

Because, you know, when I see teens leaning over the fence to yell at opposition players, I generally don't feel that they're doing it as a form of encouragement.

 

[kfc1]

Wasn't Dunstall portrayed as an Ape on the footy show?

Yep