Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Footy Is The Win]

It was posted by someone else, not me.
What is the definitive list of racial slurs? This stuff needs to be in school curricula yesterday!

Apparently we're born with this knowledge.

 

[Dacksaredown]

95% of 13yos wouldn't have any knowledge of the historical meaning behind calling a black person a monkey

 

[kfc1]

Ok, so we're getting somewhere now. You're now acknowledging that you think he looks like an ape, and this is where her head was at. Yes?

My next question to you is, do you think she called Goodes an ape because she thought he might appreciate it? Or do you think she might have been something that she thought would get under his skin?

Because, you know, when I see teens leaning over the fence to yell at opposition players, I generally don't feel that they're doing it as a form of encouragement.

Of course she was yelling it as an insult/abuse, I've never said otherwise.

 

[vast]

It was posted by someone else, not me.
What is the definitive list of racial slurs? This stuff needs to be in school curricula yesterday!

Yes but you referenced it to make a point.

I know your being facetious and I see where your coming from you need to find a better angle to prove your because you know full well there is no definitive list and alot of it depends on context.

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Yep

Did he cry about it? Was there an uproar?

 

[Vic pokiesmon]

is that not how the 'average punter' views all their players?

Judging from this forum and In general I would say that people dont want to hear strong opinions from blacksportsmen.100%.Sad but true

 

[Number37]

A black guy said he doesn't like Adam Goodes too, therefore, I'm not racist.

Straight from the recently released book, "1000 reasons I am not racist", by Andrew Bolt, Rita Panahi, Miranda Devine and Alan Jones.

 

[momentbymoment]

I hear an awful lot of people who feel that they have been branded with the label of racist.

I am curious.

What is worse, being racially abused or being called racist?

 

[kfc1]

Yes but you referenced it to make a point.

I know your being facetious and I see where your coming from you need to find a better angle to prove your because you know full well there is no definitive list and alot of it depends on context.

So are you telling me that there is no definitive list and that someone can racially slur without intending to? Like perhaps a 13yo girl might?

 

[Back One Out]

What Brererton did? Are you fricken serious? That was never "part of the game."

As a North Melbourne supporter who was around during the era of the Krakouers the unrelenting vile disgusting shit dished up by Brereton was never part of the way North Melbourne played or Essendon or Geelong or most other clubs.....

Brerreton made a conscious decision to introduce it into the game in 1991. Notwithstanding he probably wasn't the only one, but very few players resorted to that level of vilification. Had he resorted to that stuff today he would have ended up in court.

The only reason he apologised was after Michael Long and Nicky Winmar took their stand and even then they copped abuse for what they did. Just as Adam Goodes is copping today.

Like

Scoopar, you don't know what you're talking about.

I've read and listened to interviews with Maurice Rioii, Nicky Winmar, Mick McLean, Syd Jackson, Phil Egan, Robbie Muir, Jim and Phil Krakouer. They've all spoken about the relentless racist abuse they received on a weekly basis from all clubs. They said one of the most hurtful aspects was hearing the racist abuse from their own teammates directed at their opponents. Guys they were great mates with abusing rival players, calling them "black c___" and then joking around afterwards in the change rooms like nothing had happened.

It WAS a part of the game. That's the whole point. VFL footballers from all clubs knew they could put most of the aboriginal footballers off their game by racially abusing them. Why do you think the aboriginal footballers were always getting reported? Why do you think so many of them had such brief careers in the VFL? Tony Shaw, Dermott Brereton, Damian Monkhorst and thousands of others from 60's, 70s' and 80's weren't racist people. They used racial abuse as an on-field weapon - it was pure gamesmanship. It was a nasty, dark side of the game that nobody wanted to acknowledge for a long, long time.

Thankfully things changed after the public protests by Nicky Winmar and Michael Long. People became more aware. The AFL changed the rules and introduced a racial vilification code. The governments followed suit and introduced stricter laws not long after. The SA government introduced their Racial Vilification Act in 1996.

You're also wrong about Brereton's apologies. He privately apologised to Nicky Winmar and Chris Lewis well before he came clean, admitted what he'd done and made a public apology. He is actually one of the few footballers to have done so. I don't think he deserves to be castigated for that.

Saying that he would "end up in court in today if he did that" is just ridiculous. You miss the whole point of the debate and fail to understand how we've changed as a society.

It doesn't surprise me that an avowed anti-Hawthorn fool such as Tedeski would like your post.

 

[vast]

Straight from the recently released book, "1000 reasons I am not racist", by Andrew Bolt, Rita Panahi, Miranda Devine and Alan Jones.

Is that a follow up to "Im not racist but......."

 

[Vindicater]

Yep

Was Dunstall apart of a racial group that were once considered pre-human and more closely related to the ape family than with other humans?

Context. It's a real thing.

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Judging from this forum and In general I would say that people dont want to hear strong opinions from blacksportsmen.100%.Sad but true

People don't want to hear strong opinions from ANY sportsman/woman.

 

[kfc1]

I suppose it's an education thing. If you grow up in a family that is comfortable with racism you would probably not know that the rest of the community considers it poor form.

Not necessarily, given aborigines are like 2% of the population the majority of non-indigenous kids can grow up without having much to do with aboriginal kids at all.
She may have been well aware not to call someone a dago or a **** but had no reason to know that ape was a racial slur against aborigines.

 

[Docker Alyssa]

If u dont allow a black man to speak his opinion and state some sad facts about the treatment of Indigenous people whether u like it or not and then boo him incessantly your a rascist. All the other reasons have been exposed as smokescreens

So, like, you made an account to stick up for Goodes in an online forum? Your talents are being so wasted here. Go to the supermarket, get some eggs, and fall in line soldier.

The swans army needs you to hurl those eggs with all your might when he is bood next! Fly across the country if need be. Your crusading for his feelings should know no bounds!

 

[Chief]

You brought it up.

kfc1 being an obnoxious troll... I never thought I'd see the day. I am getting a screen grab of this.

 

[Chief]

95% of 13yos wouldn't have any knowledge of the historical meaning behind calling a black person a monkey

Truthy!

 

[romeohwho]

You and the AFL condoning censorship by labeling booing as "racism" but only for one player is what is concerning and being debated by people with strong measured opinions here.

Umpires have feelings too. They get berated, called maggot, called white flogs, bood at every decision, they know they are considered scum by half the crowd. No one asks them to be coddled. They show up and do their job and leave.

Goodes has the exact same decision to make.

Nope abuse for your job-a choice. I can be critical of the way you do your job. That is quite different from abuse of your skin-not a choice, not something one can be critiqued for.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Andrew Bolt: that helicopter should apologise to Bronwyn Bishop

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Was Dunstall apart of a racial group that were once considered pre-human and more closely related to the ape family than with other humans?

Context. It's a real thing.

Yes, at some point his ancestors even were Apes.

 

[DieSwans]

Andrew Bolt: that helicopter should apologise to Bronwyn Bishop

The helicopter didn't provoke Bronwyn tbh

 

[momentbymoment]

Not necessarily, given aborigines are like 2% of the population the majority of non-indigenous kids can grow up without having much to do with aboriginal kids at all.
She may have been well aware not to call someone a dago or a **** but had no reason to know that ape was a racial slur against aborigines.

Yes I can see what is happening here.

A large number of posters are incredulous that anyone (no matter what age) would not know that ape is a racial slur. That was certainly the case in my family.

The rest are indignant because they genuinely didn't know what was racist as teenagers and could easily see themselves in that girls shoes.

Is that a fair reading of the situation?

 

[astrovic]

Really?....Does that include your statement also?

Your lack of constitutional understanding of the fundamental basis for a free society is what is 'laughable'!...No, Actually, it's rather sad.

Don't make me shred you on this forum chum, because I will.

Freedom of speech is not a right recognised under the constitution.

 

[DERIBERATE]

Straight from the recently released book, "1000 reasons I am not racist", by Andrew Bolt, Rita Panahi, Miranda Devine and Alan Jones.

A South Australian, Iranian Australian, American Australian and a Martian.

Don't know about racist but a pretty good cross section.

 

[Confuscius]

You and the AFL condoning censorship by labeling booing as "racism" but only for one player is what is concerning and being debated by people with strong measured opinions here.

Umpires have feelings too. They get berated, called maggot, called white flogs, bood at every decision, they know they are considered scum by half the crowd. No one asks them to be coddled. They show up and do their job and leave.

Goodes has the exact same decision to make.

The umpires get booed because of their decisions. They get booed as umpires, not individuals.

If the circumstances were the same the Swans would all be booed. But no, it's only Goodes that cops it to this level. The attacks are on the individual.

It's an extremely simple distinction, but seeing how many simple concepts are being struggled with in this thread nothing really surprises.

I've also never heard an umpire be booed right from the first bounce like Goodes gets either.

Motivations aside, it's blatant bullying and the fact there's thousands lining up to defend their right to bully someone like this is a disgrace.