Bumped Pies Draft Needs......

[TradeDraft]

I Put them in Order what I think it is:



1:Key Forward

We are lacking in Depth with Ben Reid and Rusling going to the BackLine and we have only Cloke,Anothony and Dawes as our Forwards. So we need some Depth there and Someone who could Probably be better then Dawes.

2:Outside Midfilder with Speed

We Lack player with Lighting Speed who can Run and Carry the Ball, we really only have Thomas and Maybe Didak and Davis, So we need a Player who has Fantastic Speed.

3:Big Bodied Midfielder

We need Mids who has Big Body and not a Skinny Little Player. They will help our Inside Mids and Can put up with Big Hits.


That are the Needs I think we should try and Address.

Do you Agree or do you have some more needs think I missed

 

[hellfire]

1. Athletic key defender who can go with the quicker key forwards [Franklin, Fevola, Tippett]. Presti probably has one more year, then there is Reid and Brown and nobody else [Harry, Maxwell, Goldy are too small].

2. Big-bodied inside midfielder. Beams and Sidebottom will be able to play roles inside once they bulk up, but we need a true in-and-under ball-winning midfielder to replace Obree/Burns. Beams could be it, but I wouldn't mind having another.

3. Best available.

Our forward stocks aren't too bad. Dawes, Cloke, Anthony and Rusling. And we have guys like Thomas, Didak, Davis, Wellingham, Dick, Beams and Barham who have good midfield pace.

 

[HFF]

Rus won't be going to the backline, despite what the club says.

As for needs, a key defender or big bodied midfielder (potentially established player i.e Ball or Welsh) are priority IMO.

 

[twaters]

1. Ruck - see Jolly; done.
2. Extractor, even if for only a couple of years while our youngsters grow strength - see club apparently trying hard for Ball, or failing that then throw something at Harris.
3. Speedy outside run and carry - we have eg Blight, Rounds, Reed, Barham and Wellers who could all come on here in the next year or two. If we have a spare late pick or a rookie spot, it might be worth spending on a speedy winger eg Josh Cowen.
4. KPP - we have Dawes, Fraser, Reid, Rusling ready to take on new roles; with Young and Perry coming on next year from NSW scheme and both with some size about them. So yeah, if there was a tall at pick 62 that might be useful (eg Donaldson as a swing forward/back KP), but really that's a long shot.
5. tagger/ run with - not sure we'd go the total negator as in Shirley; team may opt to keep going with eg Johnson, Toovey, Cook gentler run-with roles for another year? However, if as a creative run-with Welsh were in the PSD and somehow we had the salary cap to snare both him and a mature extractor in the ND, then we would have a centre square engine room able to compete with anyone.

It is hard to fill all list gaps in one drafting round, as you also need folk who are likely to 'make it', 'make a difference', in any one position, not just draft to make us feel safe and good. Depends how it all pans out on the days, but in the end a strong engine room or on-ball presence takes us places that we may not have seen for a while.

 

[ash84]

1. Inside Mid
2. Tall Fwd
3. Pacey Midfielder

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Needs: (in order of priority)

Inside mid (Luke Ball would be optimal, Josh Thomas also strikes as a very real possibility, perhaps Alex Carey at pick 62)

Medium/ 3rd tall forward (Although we have plenty of medium/ 3rd tall defenders we are lacking that type up forward, Troy Taylor to me would be the guy if available at pick 30)

Small defender/ running defender (Something that could be handy to have, having someone like that in the team could free up Harry O'Brien to play on someone bigger rather than the scraping forwards. One work around would be to move Ben Johnson back into the back pocket which is a move I really like personally, his best football is played when he is running and carrying the ball our of defence rather than in the midfield where his average disposal and poor marking ability is more exposed)

Outside mid (Something that I would also look into if a good one was available. Don't really see us getting a quality outside mid unless perhaps Jesse Crichton drops to pick 30)


I also consider it highly likely that we will pickup atleast one key position player in this draft, however I would debate that it is not a need.

If Jack Fitzpatrick or Matthew Panos drop to pick 30 I certainly would not be opposed. Otherwise late in the draft I like (not ordered): Mitch Thorp, Serhet Temel, Levi Casboult, Luke Thompson, Luke McDonald, Kyle Hartigan, David Astbury all as possibilities.

Key position forwards:
Travis Cloke (Key position forward who I expect will get back to his best footy, he has the size and engine to dominate and I expect he will step up to another level next season)

Jack Anthony (Full forward who should kick 60 goals next year, reliable and does not need to be replaced)

Sean Rusling (Should be healthy next year after fully recovering from shoulder problems)

Chris Dawes (will be pushing for selection, and I expect will break through for a few games. If one of Cloke or Anthony get injured then I think Dawes can step in and still play very reasonably)

Josh Fraser (More so a backup ruckman, but will spend some minutes in the key position posts throughout the year)

Key position backs:
Simon Prestigiacomo (Every reliable full back, near all australian last year)

Nathan Brown (Physically developed key position backman who lost confidence this year after injury, expect him to play 22 games in 2010)

Ben Reid (Now after the wait is ready to play some footy. Really developed last season into a really good player, can see him playing probably more half back flank this season with Brown and Prestigiacomo in the key position defence posts, but will spend some minutes at Centre Half Back you would think. Should break into the side as a perminant next season)

Leigh Brown (Handy player, who in the instance that injury hits I expect will be called up)

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So in terms of key position forwards and defenders I think we are very sound, and with those young players adding another season of experience I expect them all to be better. Reid and Brown should both break into the side next season. And up forward I think Anthony and Cloke will be a very good combo. If Rusling breaks into the team or Dawes suddenly becomes a monster then that is a bonus.

Personally I would be in favour of going mid/ not key position player at 30. Then most likely at 62 unless there is an excellent mid (eg. Alex Carey) key position player is the way to go. Then 78 I would probably go best available whether that be a key position or mid.

 

[TradeDraft]

Needs: (in order of priority)

Inside mid (Luke Ball would be optimal, Josh Thomas also strikes as a very real possibility, perhaps Alex Carey at pick 62)

Medium/ 3rd tall forward (Although we have plenty of medium/ 3rd tall defenders we are lacking that type up forward, Troy Taylor to me would be the guy if available at pick 30)

Small defender/ running defender (Something that could be handy to have, having someone like that in the team could free up Harry O'Brien to play on someone bigger rather than the scraping forwards. One work around would be to move Ben Johnson back into the back pocket which is a move I really like personally, his best football is played when he is running and carrying the ball our of defence rather than in the midfield where his average disposal and poor marking ability is more exposed)

Outside mid (Something that I would also look into if a good one was available. Don't really see us getting a quality outside mid unless perhaps Jesse Crichton drops to pick 30)


I also consider it highly likely that we will pickup atleast one key position player in this draft, however I would debate that it is not a need.

If Jack Fitzpatrick or Matthew Panos drop to pick 30 I certainly would not be opposed. Otherwise late in the draft I like (not ordered): Mitch Thorp, Serhet Temel, Levi Casboult, Luke Thompson, Luke McDonald, Kyle Hartigan, David Astbury all as possibilities.

Key position forwards:
Travis Cloke (Key position forward who I expect will get back to his best footy, he has the size and engine to dominate and I expect he will step up to another level next season)

Jack Anthony (Full forward who should kick 60 goals next year, reliable and does not need to be replaced)

Sean Rusling (Should be healthy next year after fully recovering from shoulder problems)

Chris Dawes (will be pushing for selection, and I expect will break through for a few games. If one of Cloke or Anthony get injured then I think Dawes can step in and still play very reasonably)

Josh Fraser (More so a backup ruckman, but will spend some minutes in the key position posts throughout the year)

Key position backs:
Simon Prestigiacomo (Every reliable full back, near all australian last year)

Nathan Brown (Physically developed key position backman who lost confidence this year after injury, expect him to play 22 games in 2010)

Ben Reid (Now after the wait is ready to play some footy. Really developed last season into a really good player, can see him playing probably more half back flank this season with Brown and Prestigiacomo in the key position defence posts, but will spend some minutes at Centre Half Back you would think. Should break into the side as a perminant next season)

Leigh Brown (Handy player, who in the instance that injury hits I expect will be called up)

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So in terms of key position forwards and defenders I think we are very sound, and with those young players adding another season of experience I expect them all to be better. Reid and Brown should both break into the side next season. And up forward I think Anthony and Cloke will be a very good combo. If Rusling breaks into the team or Dawes suddenly becomes a monster then that is a bonus.

Personally I would be in favour of going mid/ not key position player at 30. Then most likely at 62 unless there is an excellent mid (eg. Alex Carey) key position player is the way to go. Then 78 I would probably go best available whether that be a key position or mid.

Fantastic Write Up,

Why Would a Medium/3rd Tall would be our 2nd Need just because of Troy Taylor?

Like your Talls as Late Pick Could take 1 or 2 talls late

 

[hellfire]

Sorry but I can't see how a third tall should be a priority? Anthony should be a third tall, if anything we need a power forward to free him up into that role. Rusling is a third tall, Macaffer can play that role, even Medhurst can play that role. Dawes at FF, Cloke CHF, Anthony third tall is our perfect setup though IMO, and Rusling is a backup third tall.

And surely given the imminence of Presti's retirement and the... er... inconsistency of L.Brown, in addition to the question marks over Brown and Reid [as to whether they're up to it] you can see the need for another key defender?

 

[DWil6]

Yeah def not a thrid tall. I know you are a big fan of Taylor, but we so don't need a 3rd tall over an inside mid, kpb etc.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Sorry but I can't see how a third tall should be a priority? Anthony should be a third tall, if anything we need a power forward to free him up into that role. Rusling is a third tall, Macaffer can play that role, even Medhurst can play that role. Dawes at FF, Cloke CHF, Anthony third tall is our perfect setup though IMO, and Rusling is a backup third tall.

And surely given the imminence of Presti's retirement and the... er... inconsistency of L.Brown, in addition to the question marks over Brown and Reid [as to whether they're up to it] you can see the need for another key defender?

Anthony to me is a full forward. 192cm is fine (same height as both Fevola and Lloyd). He is only 21 so he is going to continue to grow out. He plays as a busling, hard full forward and I think enjoys being the target inside 50 more than being a 2nd option. He is actually a very nice overhead mark and really if he needs to improve any aspect of his game more is his ability to impact the game further up the ground and improve more at ground level. To me he is the ideal full forward until someone else proves they are, which Dawes will get the opportunity to prove he is.

Rusling is more a leading forward so I think he would have some really nice chemistry in the forwardline if Anthony if it can happen.

B.Reid and N.Brown I have great confidence in. Reid as the season progressed really became a very valueable player, and is definately ready for AFL football now. N.Brown is physically developed and will get his confidence back over the summer. I have absolutely no doubts over either Brown or Reid. L.Brown will only play in the case of injury I expect.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Yeah def not a thrid tall. I know you are a big fan of Taylor, but we so don't need a 3rd tall over an inside mid, kpb etc.

No, not at all. If O'Keefe or Steve Johnson were for sale I'd be biding HIGH for them both. Was really hoping at the end of last season we could pick up O'Keefe. I think a 3rd tall type would be very handy! We really don't have any players of that mold at all in the team.

Inside mid I had as no.1 priority, and we will draft atleast one I expect. Whether that be Luke Ball, Josh Thomas, Ryan Harwood or Alex Carey.

Yes medium talls we can do without, just having one would give our forwardline and midfield so much flexibility. Medhurst is really a small, same with Leon, Didak and Thomas. Just they are nice marks for their size which is really the only reason why we have got away with such an undersized forwardline for so long.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Fantastic Write Up,

Why Would a Medium/3rd Tall would be our 2nd Need just because of Troy Taylor?

Like your Talls as Late Pick Could take 1 or 2 talls late

Last year I was one of those that was interested in O'Keefe. To me if we could add O'Keefe/S.Johnson + Ball to the team we would be an instant premiership side now that we have Jolly to fill the ruck void which was an area previously we needed filling.

Adding a medium/ 3rd tall forward would be the one thing keeping us from being an elite forwardline. Many say you need a dominant key position forward, which by many is a common belief, for some teams I would consider that true, but I would say that considering our style of play that is perhaps not as much of a need and that Jack Anthony and Travis Cloke are fine if they have the right combination between mediums and smalls to compliment them.

A premiership forwardline could be:
F: S.Rusling J.Anthony L.Davis
HF: P.Medhurst T.Cloke R.O'Keefe/ S.Johnson

It would mean you have a leading forward, strong marking forward (JA), a speedy forward pocket who can produce magic and push up to the midfield, a hard to match up guy, a centre half forward of quality (Cloke = B+F) and a medium size forward who can give the forwardline something different and offer an extra high forward target.

And if Rusling is available then just say you add Brad Dick to the other forward pocket. With S.Johnson/ R.O'Keefe you add someone who can get plenty of the ball and provide a target while not taking away the opportunities from the other forwards that a dominant full forward would take away. A forwardline like this would be pretty unpredictable to play against and the goals could come from anywhere which is what would make it dangerous.

At pick 30 if a guy like Panos was available, then perhaps in a years time he may break into the lineup and push Jack Anthony asside to the forward pocket, or if a guy like Luke McDonald at pick 62, that would also be fine, just I would rather that medium/ 3rd tall to give the forwardline the added flexibility that S.Johnson or R.O'Keefe could add.

Nat Fyfe another medium/ 3rd tall, but not as keen on him as Taylor. Through the draft would probably still go Taylor, or otherwise key position player/ midfielder depending on who is available.

But at trade time if one of S.Johnson or R.O'Keefe went up for sale I would much rather them over B.Fevola.

 

[dswan]

Mitch Thorp!

 

[collingtimber]

Is it possible for Luke Ball to tell all clubs that he wants $800,000 a year
for one year. Then if he wants to move on at the end of the year,from the club who drafts him in 2009,that club has to swap him to the club of his choice for their 2010 last round draft pick?Of course if we get him then I'm sure he wont want to leave.

 

[Seedsfan]

I Put them in Order what I think it is:



1:Key Forward

We are lacking in Depth with Ben Reid and Rusling going to the BackLine and we have only Cloke,Anothony and Dawes as our Forwards. So we need some Depth there and Someone who could Probably be better then Dawes.

2:Outside Midfilder with Speed

We Lack player with Lighting Speed who can Run and Carry the Ball, we really only have Thomas and Maybe Didak and Davis, So we need a Player who has Fantastic Speed.

3:Big Bodied Midfielder

We need Mids who has Big Body and not a Skinny Little Player. They will help our Inside Mids and Can put up with Big Hits.


That are the Needs I think we should try and Address.

Do you Agree or do you have some more needs think I missed

I don't know how I ended up on a page so far back in the forum but reading this I do find it odd that one and two on your list still hold true today

 

[Scodog10]

I don't know how I ended up on a page so far back in the forum but reading this I do find it odd that one and two on your list still hold true today

Does it have something to do with us drafting just one if those players in the top 50 of the draft in the intervening period? Its terrible list management which makes the state of our list all the more impressive.

 

[doodles98]

I don't know how I ended up on a page so far back in the forum but reading this I do find it odd that one and two on your list still hold true today

BUMP OF THE CENTURY!!!

 

[TradeDraft]

Does it have something to do with us drafting just one if those players in the top 50 of the draft in the intervening period? Its terrible list management which makes the state of our list all the more impressive.

Then why is Hine still Employed Then?

 

[Matt_352]

Id say if we get Picks 15 and 16 and we bloody better. We use those to replenish our KPD stocks.

 

[DWil6]

Then why is Hine still Employed Then?

How much of the final decision making is Hines versus the clubs / coaches requests? Honestly no one knows. But if they want Hine to continue with the best available scenario, it's understandable that those types of players aren't available at our pick. We have surely had a lack of high draft picks, unlike Melbourne and the like ,which is where you find talented key position players, for example.

 

[Seedsfan]

The fact that in that time we have only drafted Paine and Moore as key forwards is a joke and out side of Seedsman we haven't recruited any outside mids. Yet in that time we recruited Lynch, White, Young and Russell also add to that list Greenwood. Going for the quick fix hasn't worked we need to look to the draft

 

[doodles98]

How much of the final decision making is Hines versus the clubs / coaches requests? Honestly no one knows. But if they want Hine to continue with the best available scenario, it's understandable that those types of players aren't available at our pick. We have surely had a lack of high draft picks, unlike Melbourne and the like ,which is where you find talented key position players, for example.

We draft best available.. then we trade and develop for special needs... simples.. (with the odd exception.. like Sier FFS!!!!)

 

[DWil6]

Can anyone do a list of the past 5 or 6 years, where the top line key forwards were drafted and how many we passed on?
Nah probably not. I can't blame you. [emoji12]


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[Seedsfan]

Can anyone do a list of the past 5 or 6 years, where the top line key forwards were drafted and how many we passed on?
Nah probably not. I can't blame you. [emoji12]


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2009 our first pick 30
8 John Butcher
19 Ben Griffith
25 Aaron Black
29 Jack Gunston
38 Sam Reid
42 Nathan Vardy
Rookie pick
43 Stewart Crameri
44 Levi Casbolt

2010 our first pick 45
Charlie Dixon pre listed by Gold Coast
3 Sam Day
11 Tom Lynch
26 Jack Darling

2011 Our first pick 50
Jeremy Cameron pre listed by GWS
1 Jon Patton
34 Shane Kerstin
50 Jackson Paine
65 Corey Gualt
Rookie 62 Jack Redpath

2012 our first pick 18
Mini Draft Pick 2 Jesse Hogan
10 Joe Daniher
25 Spencer White
27 James Stewart
28 Tim O'Brien
32 Michael Close
33 Liam McBean
Rookie pick 11 Matt Tabener

2013 our first pick 6
1 Tom Boyd
14 Cam McCarthy
16 Michael Apeness
25 Daniel McStay
29 Rory Lobb
47 Ben Brown
62 Jonathan Freeman

2014 our first pick 5
1 Paddy McCartin
8 Peter Wright
9 Darcy Moore
16 Sam Durdin
32 Tom Lamb
43 Mitch McGovern
58 Harry Dear
62 Zaine Cordy
63 Jayden Foster
77 Reece McKenzie
Rookie pick 75 Matthew Hammelmann

2015 our first pick 32
2 Josh Schache
9 Sam Weideman
10 Harry McKay
14 Eric Hipwood
21 Ben McKay
53 Jack Silvagni
Rookie pick 12 Callum Moore
16 Matt Ubergang

 

[doodles98]

Can anyone do a list of the past 5 or 6 years, where the top line key forwards were drafted and how many we passed on?
Nah probably not. I can't blame you. [emoji12]


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I did. Wasn't too hard for a sad sack like me.
2009: we drafted Luke Ball (30) ahead of Sam Reid
2010: We drafted Fasolo (45) ahead of Sphanger (73) and Crameri (75)
2011: We drafted Paine and Gault at 50 and 65 respectively and they were the only two kpp's of note that we had access to with our picks
2012: we had picks 18,19,20; Grundy, Kennedy, Broomhead; we overlooked Paparone, James Stewart and Mason Wood.
2013: we had 6. Shaz, 10 Freeman and overlooked: 13 Cripps (included just because he could be a kpp if he wanted), R Lobbe (29), Ben Brown (47), Josh Walker (54)
2014: we took (5) Degoey, (9) Moore; and overlooked: 6. Marchbank, 8 Wright, 14 Lever
2015: we took: 32 Sier and overlooked (35) M Adams, (68) M Hartley.

yes I know I've includes some key defenders as well.. they are often interchangeable

Not much to see here really. Happy with 09, happy with 2010, 2011 was not great recruiting though as it turned out... we went for key forwards in a year when there weren't many of quality to be had. .. which brings me to 2012 where we overlooked Stewart, Mason Wood and Paparone. Probably messed it up a bit between 2011/12 in retrospect. 2013.. just unlucky really and we knew we had Moore coming the next year; 2014: we take Moore and overlook Wright for Degoey... ok by me. 2015: not much in the way of kpp's to be had after Sier.

We brought in L Brown, Q Lynch, J White as well over the period.