News OFFICIAL: Gary Ablett traded to Geelong

[Whit3y]

i love gary

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Can't see the AFL taking that step. In fact, I can't readily recall them ever taking that type of action. At least not overtly.

In any event, it would be mindless of the GC to not extract something worthwhile should Ablett want out. Frankly, I'd prefer we put our efforts into development rather than the recruitment an aging player past his best.

On the afl point i partly agree although there has never been a player in history paid as much as ablett and most of his salary is paid by head office rather than GC. So its a situation without precedent in terms of predicting what the afl will do.

I agree gc wont let him go cheap especially with that intemperate cochrane in charge-look at how he ran v8 supercars. And we wont trade anything good for a 34yo.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Disagree they will only not block it IMO if they think the arbitration tribunal will overturn it and thats only likely if he is gettimg his full 2018 gc salary either from us or them. Otherwise the integrity of salary cap argument will cover them. I reckon ablett knows this is why he os threatening to retire-he is hoping the afl will want to avoid bad press and that the threat of it is enough for them to let him be traded where he wants in 12 mths.

I can't see how the AFL could prevent it. Players take pay cuts in order to change clubs all the time. Integrity of SC? On what grounds? Again, provided that the player, his current club and his incumbent club are all in agreement to the trade and his incumbent club is able to fit whatever salary is agreed upon into their SC then there is nothing that the AFL can or will do.

As far as GAJ threatening to retire goes, he could just be telling the truth but I highly doubt that. I also believe that it has nothing to do with the AFL though. I think that it has more to do with the Suns and their potential unwillingness to let him go. Now they're not going to get a great deal as far as compensation goes but something that could be worth quite a bit to them is being able to get rid of his million dollar salary, or even a massive portion of it. As I'm sure you would already know, if GAJ decides to retire although the Suns won't have to pay him a cent his salary must still have to be included in their TPP. It would be an unmitigated disaster if the Suns still had GAJ's salary tied up in their cap in 2018 and he was no longer playing for them (retired). This is where GAJ's leverage is and he's already using it to his advantage.

 

[Larry Donohue]

True, but I still believe that people need to take responsibility for their own actions whether they have been given advice or not.

As far as GAJ goes, as I've said before I'll forgive but I don't think that I'll ever forget.

Not asking you to forget, just that lawyers control what is said. All the ones that followed gaz said much the same. Including thomson. Although he out and out lied about his intentions. I knew gaj was going and im sure most others did too. For those holding on to hope when that money was on the table was delusionary. I personally believe he was compromised because he did feel loyalty to geelong. Knew he was going but literally couldnt bring himself to say it. Players who played with him dont seem to hold any animosity toward him so why should we. Not as though he did a leigh colbert.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

i love gary

I love you.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Can't see the AFL taking that step. In fact, I can't readily recall them ever taking that type of action. At least not overtly.

In any event, it would be mindless of the GC to not extract something worthwhile should Ablett want out. Frankly, I'd prefer we put our efforts into development rather than the recruitment an aging player past his best.

You cant develop an ablett menzel hawkins mccarthy motlop cockatoo fwd line. I crave that for 18.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Not asking you to forget, just that lawyers control what is said. All the ones that followed gaz said much the same. Including thomson. Although he out and out lied about his intentions. I knew gaj was going and im sure most others did too. For those holding on to hope when that money was on the table was delusionary. I personally believe he was compromised because he did feel loyalty to geelong. Knew he was going but literally couldnt bring himself to say it. Players who played with him dont seem to hold any animosity toward him so why should we. Not as though he did a leigh colbert.

I agree that his situation was nowhere near as bad as L.Colbert's. But don't get me started on that one now mate...

 

[Whit3y]

I love you.

 

[Catdog]

Have run into him up here a bit, solid character and always makes an effort to talk/interact.

Wish him the best whatever he does.

 

[gurty]

I have always thought Geelong looked after its people . One of the reasons I liked backing them. let coaches go for better opportunities. Didn't head hunt. Let players go with under draft picks just to get them to where they wanted to go . I think it is one of the reasons Geelong is a "destination" club. If GCFC force GAJ ( one of the best players of the last decade) into retirement as a matter of principle they will never become a destination club. What benefit will they gain by being 'tough'. I have no idea what they will do . But I am interested and watching .

 

[dazbroncos]

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[Sttew]

Really at this stage wouldn't they let him go for pick 90 . He gets to go home all
Smiles . They have a million extra on their salary cap to chase another ready made player win win I would have thought . Do they really want to pay they much for an aging player who really would rather be some where else . Massive opportunity cost having that much in such a short term investment in a year they are not going to win the premiership in


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This!

I am convinced more than ever he will be wearing blue and white hoops in 2018. Just hope GC don't destroy him. They are such an amateur club and are just as likely to say "bugger his age and injury history, lets throw him in the coal face and get some value for money"

 

[catswhiskers]

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Edited for australian flavour.

 

[Ricketz]

So you're trying to say we should forgive him because we drafted him and gave him the opportunity to taste ultimate success while paying him good money for doing something he loved.
And you're also trying to say that we may not have won any GF's without him, well 2011 we didn't need him so who's to say we needed him for the other two, however I do agree he deserved the accolades mentioned and I did love and support him as a Geelong player but as soon as he shit on our club that was it, many a player have knocked back lucrative cash to stay loyal one club players but not that bald headed campaigner, so now he can GAGF and whatever he cops in life is deserved.

I think he is saying that you didn't give gaz any of those opportunities, and that he has done more for the club than your entire genetic line is ever likely to do. It is like people here genuinely dislike him, without ever having spoken a word to him. I dont get it either.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I can't see how the AFL could prevent it. Players take pay cuts in order to change clubs all the time. Integrity of SC? On what grounds? Again, provided that the player, his current club and his incumbent club are all in agreement to the trade and his incumbent club is able to fit whatever salary is agreed upon into their SC then there is nothing that the AFL can or will do.

As far as GAJ threatening to retire goes, he could just be telling the truth but I highly doubt that. I also believe that it has nothing to do with the AFL though. I think that it has more to do with the Suns and their potential unwillingness to let him go. Now they're not going to get a great deal as far as compensation goes but something that could be worth quite a bit to them is being able to get rid of his million dollar salary, or even a massive portion of it. As I'm sure you would already know, if GAJ decides to retire although the Suns won't have to pay him a cent his salary must still have to be included in their TPP. It would be an unmitigated disaster if the Suns still had GAJ's salary tied up in their cap in 2018 and he was no longer playing for them (retired). This is where GAJ's leverage is and he's already using it to his advantage.

As the governing body they have the power to refuse to register any contract, they rarely if ever do it but the power is there within the rules. The player then has to appeal to the grievance tribunal if he wants to dispute it. The argument the afl would run there would be something like 'he is on 1 mil for a 2018 which is market value, he wants to rip it up and register for 400k at geelong, we are concerned geelong are trying to pay him the other 600k either through third party marketing agreements or by paying him back after he retires, either way they are trying to get around the salary cap'. And its a reasonable argument even though i dont personally agree with it. If on the other hand he is still getting his 1mil while playing for geelong in 2018 then the afl dont have a leg to stand on blocking it. But we cant fit him in at 1mil and why would gc trade him for pick 80 and pay 500k of his salary? That contract and his age (which means geelong wont be prepared to trade much value for him) are his biggesr problems in getting home.

 

[JumpyHolden]

I think he is saying that you didn't give gaz any of those opportunities, and that he has done more for the club than your entire genetic line is ever likely to do. It is like people here genuinely dislike him, without ever having spoken a word to him. I dont get it either.

I do genuinely dislike him, he may have robbed us of another flag. We could easily have wom with him in the side in 2013 but he put paid to that.

And FYI I have spoken to him and I also told him face to face what I thought of him which he wasn't pleased about.

 

[David the Cat]

Very underrated poster Stan the Caddy. He's like the Joel Corey of the board. Quiet, professional and underrated.

He's also very good looking....and likes his martinis, shaken but not stirred.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

He's also very good looking....and likes his martinis, shaken but not stirred.

You better believe it...

 

[Boxhead_31]

As the governing body they have the power to refuse to register any contract, they rarely if ever do it but the power is there within the rules. The player then has to appeal to the grievance tribunal if he wants to dispute it. The argument the afl would run there would be something like 'he is on 1 mil for a 2018 which is market value, he wants to rip it up and register for 400k at geelong, we are concerned geelong are trying to pay him the other 600k either through third party marketing agreements or by paying him back after he retires, either way they are trying to get around the salary cap'. And its a reasonable argument even though i dont personally agree with it. If on the other hand he is still getting his 1mil while playing for geelong in 2018 then the afl dont have a leg to stand on blocking it. But we cant fit him in at 1mil and why would gc trade him for pick 80 and pay 500k of his salary? That contract and his age (which means geelong wont be prepared to trade much value for him) are his biggesr problems in getting home.

Didn't Deledio redo his contract with GWS soon after moving there down from $700k to 500k?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/ric...s/news-story/2797d13d077ed55221db76819e998963

 

[Turbocat]

I can't see how the AFL could prevent it. Players take pay cuts in order to change clubs all the time. Integrity of SC? On what grounds? Again, provided that the player, his current club and his incumbent club are all in agreement to the trade and his incumbent club is able to fit whatever salary is agreed upon into their SC then there is nothing that the AFL can or will do.

As far as GAJ threatening to retire goes, he could just be telling the truth but I highly doubt that. I also believe that it has nothing to do with the AFL though. I think that it has more to do with the Suns and their potential unwillingness to let him go. Now they're not going to get a great deal as far as compensation goes but something that could be worth quite a bit to them is being able to get rid of his million dollar salary, or even a massive portion of it. As I'm sure you would already know, if GAJ decides to retire although the Suns won't have to pay him a cent his salary must still have to be included in their TPP. It would be an unmitigated disaster if the Suns still had GAJ's salary tied up in their cap in 2018 and he was no longer playing for them (retired). This is where GAJ's leverage is and he's already using it to his advantage.

Have to admit that was one line of thought I had... although raising retirement after the issues he has had the last couple of years is reasonable.
If I was to guess... GA would hope to play well back to some better form in 2017 , then ask for a trade to Geelong , who then give him a 2 year deal and spread his 1M over two years somehow. GC accept a reasonable trade , and I doubt any club could call us misers.

All I will say is I only want this done on our terms. The good news story for some is like some sort sleeping with your X for me.. how often do you get back to you were? In an ideal world the kids we have drafted in would mean there is no spot for a 30 something FP pocket.

 

[Grimoz]

Lets all think of this rationally for a second, do we really want Gary back for 2018 at his age and with his battered body? I think people are getting caught up in the romance of the story and not whats best for the club, i personally dont want him back, we will have players with another year of development by then and i doubt the club would be willing to bring back a 34-35 year old for 1 year considering they got rid of other stars who were much younger and still had more to give.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Lets all think of this rationally for a second, do we really want Gary back for 2018 at his age and with his battered body? I think people are getting caught up in the romance of the story and not whats best for the club, i personally dont want him back, we will have players with another year of development by then and i doubt the club would be willing to bring back a 34-35 year old for 1 year considering they got rid of other stars who were much younger and still had more to give.

Can you think of a better small forward or someone who could play out of the goal square and allow Hawkins to roam?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Can you think of a better small forward or someone who could play out of the goal square and allow Hawkins to roam?

If it was a choice between the two (although i realistically doubt we will end up with either) i would choose a 24 yo devon smith over a 34yo ablett.

 

[chris9753]

I can't see how the AFL could prevent it. Players take pay cuts in order to change clubs all the time. Integrity of SC? On what grounds? Again, provided that the player, his current club and his incumbent club are all in agreement to the trade and his incumbent club is able to fit whatever salary is agreed upon into their SC then there is nothing that the AFL can or will do.

I think it was after the Buddy Franklin 10 Year 10 million trade to Sydney that the AFL "clarified/introduced/made up" the rule that if Buddy retires before the 10 years is up his wage still has to count under the Swans salary cap even if he's not being paid. My interpretation of this is if Gary does retire at the end of this year what would make it difficult for him to play anywhere else is that 1 million dollars has to be in someone's cap. If he does retire it would be GCS's. It may be possible (but I think unlikely) for a minimal trade trade to be worked out and the cats and suns pay half his wage each. The adv for the suns is they get $500,000 salary cap relief.

 

[Cattery]

Wasn't there an article in The Sun the other day saying he'd committed to finishing his career at GC, or was I dreaming?